Tackle this shit head on. If it’s a bit too much for some then I want no part in this forum.
The general attitude of our players
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Wow, no thread on RedCafe to discuss it? Why?
I would guess that the moderation of such a thread would be an issue, given that it attracted numerous shitheads and their rape-apologist views. Mods did quite a job keeping a lid on the main thread for a good 10 hours or so.
It's the usual approach in case of ongoing investigations I think? I remember the Mendy thread for example also being closed for some time because of this.
They shut it because the discussion about domestic abuse was showing some people up badly.
Been said before and should be repeted.
You can blame manager, board and whoever you want to blame but problem have always been players. Moral, character, workrate, desire. Everything you can expect from professional individuals have been near zero. Not all ofcourse but lot of them. Specially younger generation where social media comes before football. I'm not just talking about this shocking stuff we heard today.
You can blame manager, board and whoever you want to blame but problem have always been players. Moral, character, workrate, desire. Everything you can expect from professional individuals have been near zero. Not all ofcourse but lot of them. Specially younger generation where social media comes before football. I'm not just talking about this shocking stuff we heard today.
We do appear to have quite a few thick idiots in our squad.
Take greenwood for example, if for whatever reason his sexual needs were not being met he could have easily broken up with his girlfriend instead of allegedly proceeding to sexually assaulting her. He could have easily found someone else.
Only a moron would risk his entire career over this. Even if for some reason he's found not guilty he still needs to be shown the door.
Take greenwood for example, if for whatever reason his sexual needs were not being met he could have easily broken up with his girlfriend instead of allegedly proceeding to sexually assaulting her. He could have easily found someone else.
Only a moron would risk his entire career over this. Even if for some reason he's found not guilty he still needs to be shown the door.
It is good idea to lock it, because people were showing their true colour. Absolute disquasting some of the posts there today.
And think mods have had enough, and some posters should take chill pill. And it was discussed whole day. Time to pause, think, eat, drink, take deep breath, spend time wirh family, get back to life...
If there’s one good thing that comes out of todays events, I hope it’s that more people come forward with stories because I’m certain there’s a fair few out there, both current players and retired players. Footballers should be made to feel nervous and uneasy much like Hollywood was after the Harvey Weinstein stuff. These people live in a fecking dream world within the real world where they’re untouchable and completely absolved from responsibility.
And hopefully then players at academy level are brought up to be disciplined and humble by their clubs. Ferguson seemed keen for his players to get married early as it would erode the ’single and party animal’ lifestyle that players could fall into like Giggs and Sharpe did briefly, and then if they had a kid, then responsibility would have to enter their lives by default.
I think a good example of this was Rio. Prior to his first kid being born in 2006, Rio always came off as a twat to me despite being an obviously good player. Ever since he had the kid, he became a lot more likeable and mature in demeanor.
And hopefully then players at academy level are brought up to be disciplined and humble by their clubs. Ferguson seemed keen for his players to get married early as it would erode the ’single and party animal’ lifestyle that players could fall into like Giggs and Sharpe did briefly, and then if they had a kid, then responsibility would have to enter their lives by default.
I think a good example of this was Rio. Prior to his first kid being born in 2006, Rio always came off as a twat to me despite being an obviously good player. Ever since he had the kid, he became a lot more likeable and mature in demeanor.
That thread has been an absolute shit show all day. Some really concerning posts from a few members of the forum. Impressed whoever was modding it managed to keep a reasonable hold on things, frankly.
It’s been discussed all day with the thread over 80 pages long? Is been a nightmare for the mods having to ban lots of posters for various reasons with others having the cheek to dig them out over it.
They’ll be more news to report tomorrow. Not sure what else there is to be discussed at this exact moment in time that can’t wait?
glad it has been locked.
sickening.
sickening.
I agree, something has to be done. There are cnuts in all walks of life but the all that fame and money at such a young age is a problem, especially if they already have a sick view on life.
Don't know if I am the only person here that feels this:
For weeks now, every morning, (after usuall thing you do when you wake up), first thing I do is open Caf, and second before I think: "hope there will be no bad stuff today". Then there were leaks, leaks, leaks, was sooo angry at our divas. Today i wish it was another leak... Feeling empty, sad, dissapointed, all of the emotions except being happy.
Scared about what kind of s**t I will found tomorrow morning..
For weeks now, every morning, (after usuall thing you do when you wake up), first thing I do is open Caf, and second before I think: "hope there will be no bad stuff today". Then there were leaks, leaks, leaks, was sooo angry at our divas. Today i wish it was another leak... Feeling empty, sad, dissapointed, all of the emotions except being happy.
Scared about what kind of s**t I will found tomorrow morning..
Banning is better than dusting it under the carpet and pretending nothings happened.
We are seeing more and more of what we've been through today in football. Without wanting to name players there's a high profile ongoing case at City and also one at Brighton with a Caf transfer favourite.
These young men are getting paid far too much money and have been used to a life where No is not an option. Nothing they desire is out of question and it was inevitable it was going to lead to this sadly. Disgusting as it is.
Same happens in Hollywood too. Look at the sleeze they have gone through recently with the me2 movement. And that's not even forgetting our own royal family sleeze.
Too many people with too much money and power in this world.
These young men are getting paid far too much money and have been used to a life where No is not an option. Nothing they desire is out of question and it was inevitable it was going to lead to this sadly. Disgusting as it is.
Same happens in Hollywood too. Look at the sleeze they have gone through recently with the me2 movement. And that's not even forgetting our own royal family sleeze.
Too many people with too much money and power in this world.
Always said this. We have some pretty thick footballers. Both on and off the pitch. On the pitch it's the decision making and not looking for better options leading to a sense of individualism and personal glory. Off the pitch whats happened today, lack of professionalism generally, not leaving the club when you know you'll never get first team minutes. I could go on.
It is yes, but don't expect mods to spend whole day long banning people. Give them good night sleep so they can continue tomorrow.
I'm totally sickened and feel disgusted that this guy has played for our club, but at the same time, no-one is surprised. Too many footballers nowadays barely know right from wrong and yet they are having huge sums of money and lucrative contracts thrown at them, giving them the impression that they are above everyone else.
While not all footballers are like this, it is hard to ignore that it is a growing problem within the game. How many youngsters want to invest their money into having a family and being a great Dad?
This woman has been treated like a piece of meat, which is just sickening and debasing. This most likely goes on a lot more than we know and if there are no systemic changes, it is likely to get worse.
While not all footballers are like this, it is hard to ignore that it is a growing problem within the game. How many youngsters want to invest their money into having a family and being a great Dad?
This woman has been treated like a piece of meat, which is just sickening and debasing. This most likely goes on a lot more than we know and if there are no systemic changes, it is likely to get worse.
They still open it and still sleep. Im sure others would report the idiotic posts, its not like the mods would have to individually read every post from every page.
I can't agree with that kind of generalisation. There are dozen of thousands of professional footballers, the handful of criminals are criminals on their own, they only represent themselves.
Makes you think about the last 12-18 months. The attitude of the players on the pitch is always a reflection of them off it. Why did he not go to the Euros? Why has he not played for England? Southgate knew something was up after the Iceland incident. Hope these dodgy types get weeded out of the club one by one.
Greenwood was always more often than not greedy with the ball, going for personal glory instead of passing it in the final third.
But now this thread has just turned into the same thing by another name?
Its been said loads of times, @Niall and others have a tough job to make sure the entire site doesn’t get into serious trouble for stuff said.
The Icelandic 'incident' was nothing. They just broke Covid protocols. The girls they invited to their room said they didn't stay long and no funny business went on. They were just naive young lads in that instance looking to score. Don't think that was any worse than what young lads do all the time.
Today's allegations aren't in the same stratosphere to that. Far more serious.
I think Ole was the one who said Mason needed time to grow up a bit after that incident. I don't think anyone knew what we've learned today.
I think the younger players are generally showing a good attitude. It’s a bit of a vicious cycle because we expect lads to be at the highest level despite them having no experience of the highest level. Think as a club United need to look at the strategy and think of utilising the loan system a lot more. It’s nice for everyone having players come through but they either are very limited on gametime or think that because they’re at United they are ahead of where they are actually at. Players going out and doing well will build confidence and also give the older pros confidence that they can rely on the young players, those players having solid experience under their belt. Just a thought as attitude can actually be good but opportunities to show it can be very limited
edit: don’t want to talk about one players alleged horrific behaviour or take any of that as being indicative of attitude of the wider squad.
edit: don’t want to talk about one players alleged horrific behaviour or take any of that as being indicative of attitude of the wider squad.
Deeply saddened and disturbed as a United fan today. I've never been naive when it comes to pro athletes, and I know an average pro athlete's lifestyle is not exactly that of a model human being, but I was blindsided by the extreme nature of today's news. Going further back, I was not a fan of us signing Ronaldo again after knowledge of his own sexual assault case, and I was surprised that it didn't become a big point among fans or media (whether we should sign him or not). I don't know how much the club cares but I would expect them to be complicit to a certain degree in knowledge of this, I'll be shocked if they had zero idea on the Greenwood situation. And if it does turn out to be the case that the club covered up for Greenwood in the past in regards to this, that might just be the final straw for me in being a supporter of this club.
Now we know why Rashford has been so down and frustrated these months with not starting.
Good post, agree completely.
I don’t want to sound like a rape-apologist but howdo you manage to believe the victim and treat Mason as innocent until proven guilty at the same time? It’s safest if you don’t even talk about it.
Do our younger players have proper support systems in place to manage their mental/emotional health? I’m sure United have got the required support networks but is more investment required in this area especially for young players who may not have a strong and reliable familial and social circle?
You don't. Not to anyone who understands the principles underlying innocent-until-proven-guilty. Your last sentence is correct. There's a reason (reasons) 'innocent until proven guilty' is a thing.
So that courts have to prove guilt and not the accused prove themselves innocent. It isn't a principle made for blocking public discussion oddly enough.
There's a key word in the post there somewhere. You're clearly up for finding it.
It's a good question and the point that Rangnick brought a psychologist in as part of this staff might show that this wasn't the case so far.
Greenwood is treated as innocent until proven guilty by not being convicted without a fair trial. It's a legal principle, and that's it. OJ did it, and Al Capone was a mobster. Doesn't matter that they got away with it.
Doubt it. Media outlets are counting up the other players who have deleted him from their social media accounts.
We've got some useless shites in our squad but let's not drag plain laziness into the same conversation with what Greenwood has been accused of. That's not a simple cultural fix that the club can do.
For the lads complaining, the forum and mods have more to think about than just open discourse.
That thread was an absolute mess. We had rape apologists, victim blaming, misinformation, false reports and really nasty back and forths between members.
There were about 10-11 other names I saw brought into the discussion, some on bizarre tangents, that could very well be libelous for those running this place.
When people are emotional, they post without thinking and it could have repercussions they may not think about. It also gives people a chance to think before putting something out there that they may well regret in the heat of the moment.
That thread was an absolute mess. We had rape apologists, victim blaming, misinformation, false reports and really nasty back and forths between members.
There were about 10-11 other names I saw brought into the discussion, some on bizarre tangents, that could very well be libelous for those running this place.
When people are emotional, they post without thinking and it could have repercussions they may not think about. It also gives people a chance to think before putting something out there that they may well regret in the heat of the moment.
But Fuhrman planted the Rockingham glove and Vannatter was a shady LAPD officer!
I also think it's worth pointing out that as an individual who doesn't have the power to incarcerate anyone, fine them, take away their liberties etc. you should not employ the same standard of proof required for something to be "proven guilty" that a court who can do all those things does. The same applies to businesses and employers. Your standard of proof should be proportionate to the consequences of you reaching that judgement.
You do have to respect the process of the courts and not jeopardise everyone's right to legal justice, but I think a lot of people misunderstand the "innocent until proven guilty" thing as you cannot form an opinion on someone or treat them a certain way until they have been prosecuted by a court. That is of course a total cop-out.
You do have to respect the process of the courts and not jeopardise everyone's right to legal justice, but I think a lot of people misunderstand the "innocent until proven guilty" thing as you cannot form an opinion on someone or treat them a certain way until they have been prosecuted by a court. That is of course a total cop-out.
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