is it a reading comprehension thing or something? Me saying Neymar is more elegant than Hazard equates to me saying Neymar is the epitome of elegance to you? You started talking about Zidane and such. Weird. Again, I do not care for what you deem elegant. Please rest.
it feels like I’m in Arkham Asylum seeing people seriously trying to argue that Hazard is/was better than Neymar. Insane
It appears it isn't a thing. Never suggested that he's the epitome of elegance, only that Hazard is moreso in this regard. Yes, examples of Zidane, Iniesta as they are what many would class as truly elegant players. Hazard is of the same mould, Neymar not as much (doesn't mean he isn't elegant). His attributes just lend to a different sort of player.
? And again. Complains about 'bad faith argumentation' then does the same thing in the next reply. Fails to respond to questions explaining what he means, and continuously (intentionally) misses the point. Perhaps you're in need of a rest.
Why would Neymar matching Hazard's goal and assist tallies indicate that his decision-making was as good?
Neymar is better than Hazard, or Ronaldinho for that matter. Injuries aside, his production is about as good as it gets outside of this season. They're both great players, but there's levels to this game and Neymar is on a superior one to Hazard, you'll fight a lonely battle trying to argue otherwise. Elegance aside, it's not even really a debate between the two.
Neymar is absolutely not as good as Ronaldinho. If you want to argue that he's had a better career then that's one thing, but Ronaldinho was 100% the better and more influential footballer.
Surely not.. a Milan fan cannot be talking about the quality and competitiveness of the English league. Juventus only began competing after completely breaking their budget and have now had to scale back as a result.
Agree about the CL. But he was the best player in the 2018 World Cup and was the best player on the pitch in the Knockout matches against France & Brazil (I believe the only time they've been on the pitch at the same time?). From around 2015ish he was consistently brilliant for Belgium.
Of course he is. I'll take the guy who is still playing world-class football (again, outside of this current season) over the guy who did it for only two seasons. I simply do not understand the pass fans give Ronaldinho for essentially being a world-class player for about two seasons.
Ronaldinho was definitely better than Neymar. Longevity is a different argument completely.
I'm sorry but that's crazy. Ronaldinho hit higher peaks than Neymar ever did. And Ronaldinho was a world class player for 6-7 seasons, plus did far far more at international level than Neymar has even come close to approaching.
On what planet was he only world class for two seasons?
Has he? Tell me what those 6-7 world-class seasons are (good luck), in what way they're comparable to Neymar's as an individual, not as a team. For me, Dinho is put in the conversation of the greatest but he has '04-'06 to show for it. It's a pretty steep decline at that point not just in his output, but his ability to influence the game. He's had other good seasons prior and here and there after, but world-class? I'm only considering it those years he won the ballon d'or as world-class where he was the best player in the world.
He's barely shown anything close to world class this season. He's basically been on vacation at PSG for the past few years.
No, only this season. His issues have been injuries the previous ones, but when on the field, constant impact. He's been nothing short of atrocious this season though, no debate there from me.
You have to be joking?
He can't be on their tier as these guys were Balon D'or winners/contenders. He is never in the running and was't even voted best player in the league multiple times.
agreed in part but what was his era?
he won MVP once. Ronaldo won 3 seasons straight. Henry similar.
That's a lie. Diego Costa top scoring just gonna get pushed to the side???
What is Peak Hazard? Has he had great CL seasons taboot? Was he rivalling Messi and Ronaldo like Neymar was? I can't remember those years so you have to remind me. underwhelmed? you need to look up the definition. He was 3rd best player in the world for many seasons. Hazard was never
Neymar gets 3 assists for every 4 goals. to say he only plays for himself is ludicrous. You just have a personal dislike of him. Hazard didn't exacly play with paupers and was also part of a stacked Belgium team and did nout but go off.
Neymars best seasons actually eclipse Ronadinho's
Me and you argued this a few times and you showed me Neymar is comparable
Let's be real, Cristiano aside they were never really Ballon D'Or contenders. Perhaps closer to winning it than Hazard but still underdogs at best. Hazard was a top 3/top 5 player in the world in his prime and I think that's also true for Suarez, Henry and Salah. All of them were great but still had a bunch of players playing at the same time who were just better than them. For Suarez, Salah und Hazard those were Messi and Cristiano and for Henry Zidane, R9 and Ronaldinho.
From when he joined till he left. If I remember correctly Suarez left for Barca quite early so I'm more comparing him to those who shared their best footballing years over the same time period (Aguero/Silva/Kane/Sanchez), probably forgetting some obvious ones.
Not in my heart. Which is why we all watch football.
People are obsessed with stats, I'm sure they are putting Neymar ahead of Ronaldinho based on numbers...the most tik-tok zoomer thing ever, those people should just check SofaScore and Opta if all that matter is numbers, why bother watching the game.
Pardon? Henry not a real contender? Many thought he was robbed. The voting has never put Hazard there and Henry was regularly challenging for world player of the year. Should have at least one. Suarez is the one who was top 5 regularly and is who Hazard wishes he was
Hazard was never better than Kun
Anyone who thinks Neymar is better than Ronaldinho….you’re too far gone to bring back to sanity.
Diego Costa was nowhere near as important as Hazard. It wasn't just finishing we relied on Hazard for; he was instrumental in every aspect of our buildup play in both 14/15 and 16/17. Pointing out that Diego Costa scored more is meaningless - the point is there hasn't been a title-winning side as dependent on a single player to be both the biggest creative fulcrum and also a vital finisher.
How many Ballons d'Or has Neymar won then? Statistics put up next to the best player of all time in Messi or in a crap Ligue 1 are flimsy arguments at best.
I think you're downplaying Costa's impact to elevate Hazard. From what I re-call the former scored tons of pivotal goals in 16/17 that helped Chelsea narrowly win games. And most of these weren't easy finishes but half chances that only top forwards would score akin to RVP in 12/13.
And that's exactly how the likes of Lukaku and Fernandes get labelled world class players while the likes of Hazard and Pogba get labelled "inconsistent".
Hazard and Pogba are/were inconsistent though. One thing doesn't have to be true for the other to be false.
The first half of the season, yes. Then he had his head turned by the prospect of a massive wage hike in China and he sulked for the whole second half of the year - think he scored about 3 or 4 league goals from January onward when he was throwing a strop about his move being denied. In 14/15 Hazard got us across the line because Costa was injured; in 16/17 Hazard got us across the line because Costa was throwing his toys out of the pram.
Hazard was never inconsistent with Chelsea. He gets this label because of his year in 15/16 when Mourinho played him despite a hip injury. Once he was fit the last month of the year he went right back to being the world class week-in week-out performer he always had been.
Hes not better than Ronaldinho and barley better than Hazard.
Pogba is Hazard isn’t they shouldn’t be even put in the same conversation regarding pl performances I don’t know why the poster you quoted done so.
I'm certainly not compelled to change my mind based on what the general consensus is. I've formed my opinion purely from what I've seen with my own eyes. Anyway I'll have more pals than you will trying to claim Neymar is better than Ronaldinho.
In both games, Hazard had Zero goals, zero assists and zero shots on target
I still don't know how someone who won more MOTM awards than anyone else in the league during his time here (and still reigns even if you count the last 3 years he's been gone), is still held to some narrative of inconsistency. Inconsistent goalscorer? sure. But to say that about his general performance levels is ridiculous.
And therein lies the rub with relying on statistics. There's no way you could watch those matches and think Hazard wasn't the best player on the pitch. France had to change their structure in the second half to give Pavard help because Hazard was torching him on the regular.
Football is still an output sport, You want your attackers to be scoring assisting and getting shots on targets. That is what makes competitive football different than just playing rondo in the park with your buddies.
