Idxomer
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Are we gonna have one of those threads after every game now?
Agree completely but I think Mou knew it which is why he deliberately brought in players like Ibrahimovic and Matic who'd jump through walls for him.A lot of what Jose says was and is correct, the problem is that it doesn't matter. I could walk into the United dressing room tomorrow and rip half those players to pieces on their effort levels, form, diet, weight, dedication etc and I would be 100% right. That doesn't mean that when they went out on the pitch on Saturday we would magically have fixed all our issues. Shockingly they might actually play worse!
Mourinhos problem is that he was a top manager at a time when managers had more power than players and when the manager said jump, the players said how high. Being a top manager now is almost as much about managing egos and motivation as it it coaching tactics etc.
Players know that if they don't want a manager they can get him sacked even if the manager hasn't done anything wrong. I don't get the impression that Mourinho likes that or puts up with it.
To be fair pogba was a bigger star than us at that point of time. His heart is not won. He's here for the contract and the fame. And at that price and jose attitude it's a recipe for disasterAgree completely but I think Mou knew it which is why he deliberately brought in players like Ibrahimovic and Matic who'd jump through walls for him.
Most of his signings tended to be consummate professionals who didn't/don't have big egos - Mkhi, Bailly (mad as he is), Lindelof and the two above.
Lukaku and Pogba are the outliers.
If only his second to none reading of players could translate into anything besides generous payoffs for going away these last 8 years.He’s outdated as a football coach, but his reading of players’ mentality is second to none.
And we are fighting to be in the Europa conferenceSome of you need to get over Mourinho being sacked. What is the point in even bringing him up these days? The guy is fighting for a Europa League spot in Serie A.
Mourinho had a woeful transfer record with us. I don't understand why people believe that buying Maguire a year earlier and splashing another >40 million on Perisic would make an impactful change after his transfers of: Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Bailly, Lindelof, Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez, Fred and Dalot.It makes me wonder now and the question is moot now but what if we got rid of Pogba, Martial and others Jose wanted to get rid of and gave him the three players he wanted that year. Yes I know one was Maguire. He was right about Shaw too and he was only good for one year and even now he goes to England and talks about the atmosphere at United etc, where he says he is not as happy as with England etc.
When Mourinho came to the club probably the only undroppable player was de Gea and he had freedom to play the veterans as much as he wanted or to bench or demote anyone. The problems with support only came after ~2 years when it turned out that his record signing was next on the chopping block and Woodward noticed that 400 million spent and exploded wage budget didn't really improve the team, so possibly giving him a free reign is not a great idea in the long run.Also the difference with Pep and Klopp is if they are not happy with the players, they get dropped and eventually sold. With us we side with the players and degrade the Manager. It happened with Jose, Ole and now Ralf.
Yes, we're really not doing ourselves any favours by splintering our support and the past is done now.We given our young players so much time to develop its insane. We played Rashford, Greenwood, Mctominay, Elanga, Lingaard, Blackett, McNair and some of them even got old here. And none of them has proven that they can be consistent at a top Premier League club.
If you want to become a top footballer, you cant blame one manager for beeing mean.
A football career is filled with ups and downs, if our young players cant deal with that. They cant really deal with top football either.
While Jose isnt the answer, but it certainly isnt that we havent given them time either. They just isnt that good. And alot of them was given way to high contracts before they where even close to deserving it.
Exactly. Plus Mourinho did want Maguire who gets as much sh!te here as any of the players named.No. Jose was not right. He was toxic and had a problem with most of the players by the end. The fact that some of the players have turned out to be unworthy of the shirt doesn't make him clairvoyant.
The decline has nothing to do with anything any fan thinks. We're spectators, not particpants.It isn’t really. Part of the reason behind the decline has been how we ignore form and think a one off performance or goal is proof of how good a player is and why we should ignore what’s sometimes months and months of awfulness
Basically be shit all season, pop up with a goal and at least half the Caf will gloat that it ‘shuts the haters up’
Couldn't have summed it up any betterHe was right but it was also a right decision to sack him.
My god man. Some of you are obsessed with him. The guy is in 5th with Roma after getting sacked by Spurs. Get a hold of yourselves.He laughs himself to sleep every night.
Jose, the winner.
You saying that from the lofty heights of 6th in the PL...My god man. Some of you are obsessed with him. The guy is in 5th with Roma after getting sacked by Spurs. Get a hold of yourselves.
Go follow Roma then. This is the United board. BTW, Mourinho was sacked for having United at the lofty heights of, you guessed it, 6th in the PL.You saying that from the lofty heights of 6th in the PL...
He wasn't perfect, but he won trophies. Literally the aim of a football club.
The problem was that both managers have won all the trophies that has to be won. LVG did not win the League in England. The man who followed them has not won anything and hence the players had more power. If the club had backed both LVG and Jose and did not force players on them or got rid of the players they wanted, we would not be in this position. At least the players would know that they cannot buck the manager and get away with it.Jose and LVG somehow prevented player power from destroying the club...they had the balls to take on any player our of line no matter what his reputation...be it Di Maria or Pogba...unlike the clown who made it a cesspool.