Potential Transfers

[MUW4Eva]

After learning my lesson about talking about women's transfers, or the potential of them in the main transfer section of this forum, hopefully it is more acceptable to talk about them here.

What would people like to see this summer??
Who would people like to see sign for us?.

Has anyone heard about any potential deals??

How many players do people think we need to sign??

Let's have the debates here, as it would be great to gear and read what people think.

 

[jojojo]

To be honest, I've more or less given up guessing who we can get.
- I was surprised when Jackie Groenen arrived.
- But I was even more surprised when we were able to take advantage of Ona Batlle's contract situation to get her - right up until the last minute I thought that deal wouldn't go through.

I could list some of my favourite (world class of course ) players, but almost by definition those players are out of our reach. In my head, closer to our reach is maybe a player like Maya Le Tissier at Brighton - just turned 20 but looks very much at home in the WSL - but maybe she's harder to get than some of the overseas players who we'll see this summer at the Euros.

So much depends on who we lose of course - and that starts with the question of whether Ona and/or Jackie will leave. Certainly I think the squad is already thin - being too thin at centre back for example has cost us massively this year. I'm not even convinced that we've got much depth in midfield despite how the squad list looks on paper and the fact that Boe Risa seldom gets a start - we lack balance and control against good teams and sometimes even against the weaker ones.

Like everyone I'd love to see us get the kind of precision goalscorer that gives Arsenal and Chelsea their cutting edge, but every club in Europe is looking for the next Miedema or Kerr. So maybe taking some of the workload off Russo (who does a lot of the hard work up front alongside the goals and assists) by adding quality around her and meanwhile bringing a couple of U21s through would make us better as a team.

Yep - I'm basically useless at transfer speculation or even creating wish lists

 

[MUW4Eva]

To be honest, I've more or less given up guessing who we can get.
- I was surprised when Jackie Groenen arrived.
- But I was even more surprised when we were able to take advantage of Ona Batlle's contract situation to get her - right up until the last minute I thought that deal wouldn't go through.

I could list some of my favourite (world class of course ) players, but almost by definition those players are out of our reach. In my head, closer to our reach is maybe a player like Maya Le Tissier at Brighton - just turned 20 but looks very much at home in the WSL - but maybe she's harder to get than some of the overseas players who we'll see this summer at the Euros.

So much depends on who we lose of course - and that starts with the question of whether Ona and/or Jackie will leave. Certainly I think the squad is already thin - being too thin at centre back for example has cost us massively this year. I'm not even convinced that we've got much depth in midfield despite how the squad list looks on paper and the fact that Boe Risa seldom gets a start - we lack balance and control against good teams and sometimes even against the weaker ones.

Like everyone I'd love to see us get the kind of precision goalscorer that gives Arsenal and Chelsea their cutting edge, but every club in Europe is looking for the next Miedema or Kerr. So maybe taking some of the workload off Russo (who does a lot of the hard work up front alongside the goals and assists) by adding quality around her and meanwhile bringing a couple of U21s through would make us better as a team.

Yep - I'm basically useless at transfer speculation or even creating wish lists

Have you seen the men's transfer forum??

Your post fits right in no worries about that, the more speculation the better I say, as it is good to see it with regards to the women's team, and the women's game in general!

Yeah contracts will be huge, I believe we have, not only Jackie and Ona to worry about, but Millie Turner, Russo and Staniforth's deals are all coming to an end very shortly sadly.
I hope that all of them can stay around, plus I have no idea how long Katie Zelem has left on her deal, so there is a heck of a lot of uncertainty there with sooo many players.

I just wish that there would be someone to ask about all of these players at say a pre-match press conference....

But anyway, onto transfers, if we had an actual scouting network that would certainly help things, although of course, sadly and frustratingly, there is or are Brexit regulations to think about and to take into consideration.

One area that perplexed me is goalkeeper.

Now I think we can all agree that Mary is our firm number one, which is fine, but what is happening beneath her??

We have Rambo coming back from her spell at Birmingham, with Baggers already here, will one of them be number two next season, and just be happy not playing, just sitting on the bench, with the other in the stands just watching on??

Will we sell one or both, loan out on or both??
Interesting times to see what happens there.

We desperately need wide players, Galton and Hanson are the only ones at out disposal right now (what position actually is Fuso, I still don't actually know, plus Thomas isn't a wide player), so that is definitely one area, I would look to add depth in.

Then with Mannion out for I don't know how long exactly, & with this being sadly yet another long term injury, can we really rely upon her not getting another long term injury??
I would be looking to bring in another CB regardless of Mannion's status.

Striker is a hard one to judge, as without knowing what is going on with Russo and her contract, then knowing what sort of striker to say we should be looking at is tough.

Let's say she stays hopefully, then I would look to make use of Karna and Edwards, rather than splashing out on a top forward, only to have them, as we have seen with Bruun, sit on the bench.

 

[Grande]

How about Ada Hegerberg and Caroline Graham-Hansen?

 

[jojojo]

How about Ada Hegerberg and Caroline Graham-Hansen?

Throw in Wendie Renard and you've got a deal

 

[jojojo]

From Marc Skinner's pre-match press conference it sounds like we're still talking to Bruun/Barcelona.

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and more generally on recruitment with/without the CL.

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[MUW4Eva]

From Marc Skinner's pre-match press conference it sounds like we're still talking to Bruun/Barcelona.

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What has Bruun got to do with Barcelona may I just enquire, do you mean Lyon??

I can't see where Bruun fits in back at Lyon, they are loaded in the striking department, so hopefully a cut price deal there could happen, as hopefully with a full pre-season under her belt, we could see the real her, nit the complete flop that we have seen so far.

I just hope that whatever our transfer strategy is, it is wider than who is in Marc's phone book.

 

[jojojo]

What has Bruun got to do with Barcelona may I just enquire, do you mean Lyon??

Oops sorry. Yes.

 

[MUW4Eva]

Oops sorry. Yes.

Ahh okay, no worries!

 

[Grande]

Throw in Wendie Renard and you've got a deal

Half in jest, but on the other hand: why not? The women’s part of the game is in the early stages of an explosive growth curve. United can try to push into the Champions League tier first, and attract the best players second. I question wether that is likely and realistic, given the strength of other teams. Or we can attract the best players first, and thereby move into the CL tier. This is not unrealistic, given that the money exists in the club.

For my money, it’s a question of not much time before the women’s game will raise it’s own value significantly. At which point it will be a big sdvantage being at the table when the supper is served.

 

[MUW4Eva]

Half in jest, but on the other hand: why not? The women’s part of the game is in the early stages of an explosive growth curve. United can try to push into the Champions League tier first, and attract the best players second. I question wether that is likely and realistic, given the strength of other teams. Or we can attract the best players first, and thereby move into the CL tier. This is not unrealistic, given that the money exists in the club.

For my money, it’s a question of not much time before the women’s game will raise it’s own value significantly. At which point it will be a big sdvantage being at the table when the supper is served.

As great as it would be to have Renard here, and boy oh boy would she be the ideal signing, she is at the second best side around, she isn't going to be leaving them for a side struggling to make the Champions League.

We could pump a load of money into the women's team, but something tells me, that isn't the road that the club is willing to go down, so I would suggest that are targets and signings will be more modest ones.

 

[Wixqaz]

The irony with Renard is that I think she is leaving Lyon this year, but I think she might try NWSL for a bit.

I do think Ona will go, and although she's great if it can be a player + situation (as suggested in Spain), that wont be a terrible thing. I think if anyone comes from them it would be a younger player and they do have a few, including some who've been on loan.

Le Tissier would be a great buy to replace Ona, she can play CB as well. I also like Smith as a backup, think she improved this season and suits MSs style of play, but wish she could stay fitter.

I'm not sure about Groenen, part of me thinks VBR was bought in to be her replacement anyway.

I think whats really missing now is what people have said, CB and wingers. Thomas has been better than I expected, but more is needed. Fuso and Jones have had good cameo's but I think they need WSL/Champ loans to get a full season of play rather than just a few cup games and a few minutes.

Think Ramsey needs to go on another loan, provided Baggers if happy to spend another season as the number 2. Bentley also got Young POTY at Bristol so I think she should stay there on loan for another year if possible.

I also think a certain profile of player is needed. I think alot of the issues with this team are mental and they could just do with a few more players who're used to winning things to get over the line. One's in the 26-30 range with experience. There's obviously a level of player that wont come right now (Miedema/Katoto may leave on free's this year for example), but there are alot of options just below that world class level.

Depending on who leaves I'd like to see CB/FB/WG/FW. Moore is a good backup DM and hopefully she'll be fit next season so thats the Ladd backup thats been needed.

One thing that might be worth keeping an eye on is Bruun, because the reason she signed was that United were trying to sign someone else with her agency, and I wonder if they'll go back for the original player again. Bruun just hasn't been able to get the games but has been very good elsewhere.

 

[MUW4Eva]

The irony with Renard is that I think she is leaving Lyon this year, but I think she might try NWSL for a bit.

I do think Ona will go, and although she's great if it can be a player + situation (as suggested in Spain), that wont be a terrible thing. I think if anyone comes from them it would be a younger player and they do have a few, including some who've been on loan.

Le Tissier would be a great buy to replace Ona, she can play CB as well. I also like Smith as a backup, think she improved this season and suits MSs style of play, but wish she could stay fitter.

I'm not sure about Groenen, part of me thinks VBR was bought in to be her replacement anyway.

I think whats really missing now is what people have said, CB and wingers. Thomas has been better than I expected, but more is needed. Fuso and Jones have had good cameo's but I think they need WSL/Champ loans to get a full season of play rather than just a few cup games and a few minutes.

Think Ramsey needs to go on another loan, provided Baggers if happy to spend another season as the number 2. Bentley also got Young POTY at Bristol so I think she should stay there on loan for another year if possible.

I also think a certain profile of player is needed. I think alot of the issues with this team are mental and they could just do with a few more players who're used to winning things to get over the line. One's in the 26-30 range with experience. There's obviously a level of player that wont come right now (Miedema/Katoto may leave on free's this year for example), but there are alot of options just below that world class level.

Depending on who leaves I'd like to see CB/FB/WG/FW. Moore is a good backup DM and hopefully she'll be fit next season so thats the Ladd backup thats been needed.

One thing that might be worth keeping an eye on is Bruun, because the reason she signed was that United were trying to sign someone else with her agency, and I wonder if they'll go back for the original player again. Bruun just hasn't been able to get the games but has been very good elsewhere.

Not too sure who the player you mean we supposedly missed out on, and were left with the complete flop that Bruun has been, is or was, but I am unsure about signing Brunn either on loan again or on a permanent deal, as she really hasn't impressed me during her stint with us.

She came with being better than Harder, as the reigning Danish Player of the Year, and then was out injured for longer than she was on the pitch, not really the best of impressions to make I would suggest.

She is a hard pass for me.

We shouldn't be signing players who are injury prone, we need as much as possible to get players who we can rely upon to play as often as possible/needed.

I agree with you regarding the goalkeeping situation, it all seems rather complicated below Mary, we have 3 potential first team goalkeepers, who could all do that at other clubs.

With Birmingham being relegated, will they have the budget or the need/want to keep Rambo there, would Rambo even want to play in the Championship, as she might think that level is beneath her now, and not really all that beneficial towards her development.

The issue is, most other, if not all other WSL sides, are pretty sorted ot would seem for first choice goalkeepers, so not sure where she could fit in, perhaps Villa if Hampton moves to Arsenal as I have seen suggested??

That area below Mary though is certainly one to keep an eye on for sure this summer.

CB'S and wingers are definitely needed, I would move on Fuso, Thomas, let Bruun go back to Lyon, promote Edwards and Karna, use Bourne more, and let Harris and Caldwell go.

Then look to build from there.

I like Jackie as a player, but her lack of a goalscoring threat is very concerning.

We need to find players in midfield who are good goalscorers, as that is an area where we are very weak.
Galton is good for a few goals from out wide, but apart from that, all the pressure to score every match it seems falls on the shoulders of Tooney and Russo.

As Villa proved, if you can kero those two off of the scoresheet, then we struggle for anyone else to score.

That is something that needs to be changed for next season, we need more regular threats, if you look at the "big 3", they have sooo many options to score, look at how Chelsea haven't missed Kirby at all really, and she is an unbelievably talented player.
Harder just comes in.

That is the sort of depth that we need to aspire to having, right across the team, if we are to seriously start challenging them for their assumed places.

Bringing in winners is great, ideal really, but most of all I just want to see a wider range of player than just who Marc has in his phone book from Orlando, as I still don't understand the Moore signing, especially when we signed her when she was so obviously injured, how she passed her medical, I will never know.

 

[Wixqaz]

Not too sure who the player you mean we supposedly missed out on, and were left with the complete flop that Bruun has been, is or was, but I am unsure about signing Brunn either on loan again or on a permanent deal, as she really hasn't impressed me during her stint with us.

She came with being better than Harder, as the reigning Danish Player of the Year, and then was out injured for longer than she was on the pitch, not really the best of impressions to make I would suggest.

She is a hard pass for me.

We shouldn't be signing players who are injury prone, we need as much as possible to get players who we can rely upon to play as often as possible/needed.

I agree with you regarding the goalkeeping situation, it all seems rather complicated below Mary, we have 3 potential first team goalkeepers, who could all do that at other clubs.

With Birmingham being relegated, will they have the budget or the need/want to keep Rambo there, would Rambo even want to play in the Championship, as she might think that level is beneath her now, and not really all that beneficial towards her development.

The issue is, most other, if not all other WSL sides, are pretty sorted ot would seem for first choice goalkeepers, so not sure where she could fit in, perhaps Villa if Hampton moves to Arsenal as I have seen suggested??

That area below Mary though is certainly one to keep an eye on for sure this summer.

CB'S and wingers are definitely needed, I would move on Fuso, Thomas, let Bruun go back to Lyon, promote Edwards and Karna, use Bourne more, and let Harris and Caldwell go.

Then look to build from there.

I like Jackie as a player, but her lack of a goalscoring threat is very concerning.

We need to find players in midfield who are good goalscorers, as that is an area where we are very weak.
Galton is good for a few goals from out wide, but apart from that, all the pressure to score every match it seems falls on the shoulders of Tooney and Russo.

As Villa proved, if you can kero those two off of the scoresheet, then we struggle for anyone else to score.

That is something that needs to be changed for next season, we need more regular threats, if you look at the "big 3", they have sooo many options to score, look at how Chelsea haven't missed Kirby at all really, and she is an unbelievably talented player.
Harder just comes in.

That is the sort of depth that we need to aspire to having, right across the team, if we are to seriously start challenging them for their assumed places.

Bringing in winners is great, ideal really, but most of all I just want to see a wider range of player than just who Marc has in his phone book from Orlando, as I still don't understand the Moore signing, especially when we signed her when she was so obviously injured, how she passed her medical, I will never know.

TBH I don't think any of the youth players are ready for high WSL action. There's a major step missing from girls youth development that you have in boys. IMO they'd be much better getting a loan to a team in the tier 2 or 3 and play a full season. Edwards didn't set the world alight at Blackburn last season so although she's above the youth game now I really doubt she'll make an impact at the top of WSL. Same for Bourne, she's not been top tier for them this year (or Sheffield). I'd like to be proved wrong but I really think they'd all be better off with playing loans than sitting on the bench. If you're loaned to a part time team you still train full time with United (Bourne for example). If we're talking transfers there's a couple of young players in the WC that would be good players to buy and then loan back, one at Sheffield has been linked to lots of top teams.

I don't think budgets an issue for United's loans. The players are all on such small money I'd not be surprised if the teams get the players for free/reduced cost anyway.

I also see the midfield differently to you. The issue for me this (and other) years is the lack of another DM. Zelem cannot play it, she's a DLP. So when Ladd's been injured/at CB you miss that players and therefore the midfield itself becomes uneven. Moore solves the issue of that. I have no issue with her signing, medicals like what you're talking about are a thing of the past. Fyi she's the only player that he actually had before. Goalscoring from midfield isnt an issue for me, Toone/VBR/Zelem/Ladd/Staniforth have all scored this season. I think midfield is the strongest area of the pitch for the team.

I have no issue with Thomas and I also have no issue with Caldwell. I think she'll probs go as it was a short term deal, but as a 4th choice she was fine. I agree on Harris but I don't think I'd get rid of anyone permanently, the whole point to me is to increase the size of the squad.

Also anyone who suggested Bruun was better than Harder was insane (hopefully it wasn't me). They play completely different positions and although Harder hasn't been as good for Chelsea as she was for Wolfsburg she's still a world class player. Bruun is good though and if she leaves Lyon this year I'd not be suprised to see her either back at PSG (if they weren't dicks to her) or at Real/Bayern.

 

[Wixqaz]

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So a few United fans on Twitter have been suggesting this signing for awhile but this is the first time I've seen it actually reported on. There were reports about City (they're signing a couple of other Spanish players), but it maybe that they got the wrong Manchester.

She is moving in the summer. A forward who plays across the 3, in the Spain NT and played against England in the AC Cup a few weeks ago. A good sign if it comes off.

 

[MUW4Eva]

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So a few United fans on Twitter have been suggesting this signing for awhile but this is the first time I've seen it actually reported on. There were reports about City (they're signing a couple of other Spanish players), but it maybe that they got the wrong Manchester.

She is moving in the summer. A forward who plays across the 3, in the Spain NT and played against England in the AC Cup a few weeks ago. A good sign if it comes off.

City have a very bloated squad, they need to sell before they buy players, so until they do, I can't see why players would join them, especially ones that have any notion or idea of actually playing first team football.

So I hope that we can pull this one off, as it is something different from the cast offs that we usually go for, or are happy to accept.

 

[MUW4Eva]

TBH I don't think any of the youth players are ready for high WSL action. There's a major step missing from girls youth development that you have in boys. IMO they'd be much better getting a loan to a team in the tier 2 or 3 and play a full season. Edwards didn't set the world alight at Blackburn last season so although she's above the youth game now I really doubt she'll make an impact at the top of WSL. Same for Bourne, she's not been top tier for them this year (or Sheffield). I'd like to be proved wrong but I really think they'd all be better off with playing loans than sitting on the bench. If you're loaned to a part time team you still train full time with United (Bourne for example). If we're talking transfers there's a couple of young players in the WC that would be good players to buy and then loan back, one at Sheffield has been linked to lots of top teams.

I don't think budgets an issue for United's loans. The players are all on such small money I'd not be surprised if the teams get the players for free/reduced cost anyway.

I also see the midfield differently to you. The issue for me this (and other) years is the lack of another DM. Zelem cannot play it, she's a DLP. So when Ladd's been injured/at CB you miss that players and therefore the midfield itself becomes uneven. Moore solves the issue of that. I have no issue with her signing, medicals like what you're talking about are a thing of the past. Fyi she's the only player that he actually had before. Goalscoring from midfield isnt an issue for me, Toone/VBR/Zelem/Ladd/Staniforth have all scored this season. I think midfield is the strongest area of the pitch for the team.

I have no issue with Thomas and I also have no issue with Caldwell. I think she'll probs go as it was a short term deal, but as a 4th choice she was fine. I agree on Harris but I don't think I'd get rid of anyone permanently, the whole point to me is to increase the size of the squad.

Also anyone who suggested Bruun was better than Harder was insane (hopefully it wasn't me). They play completely different positions and although Harder hasn't been as good for Chelsea as she was for Wolfsburg she's still a world class player. Bruun is good though and if she leaves Lyon this year I'd not be suprised to see her either back at PSG (if they weren't dicks to her) or at Real/Bayern.

I thank you very much for this very detailed post.

We disagree on certain things, but I certainly respect your views.

One of the key issues is the youth problem, Edwards especially has shown herself to be far, far, too good for this current level, so her playing there again next season would be pointless, and would I think stunt her growth and development.
She along with a few others need to make the next step up, stagnating for another year isn't good for any of them.

I understand perfectly what you are saying in regards to them not being ready for our first team, and what we need, however, I guess this is where the small number of teams is an issue, as there are not top many options in terms of loam deals, do we try to loan her and others to a WSL side, or a Championship side, with the issues that crops up within itself (not being able to dictate how much first team action any of them get, the style of play that the team we are loaning them to play etc etc)??

It is a hard decision to make, but something needs to be done for them, as seeing Edwards back playing at developmental level, would be such a huge waste of her time.
It is time to either use her in our first team, or loose her.
We can't keep holding her and others from that team back in terms of their respective development as players.

In terms of our first team midfield, I agree with you about Zelem, she is a creative player, playing in a deeper role.
We have two proper DM's (for about two seasons, we only had one!) in Ladd and Moore, with the jury still firmly out on Jade, hopefully with a full pre-season under her belt, she will prove to be a worthwhile signing, but for me, right now, I am yet to be convinced that she is a top level player.

As for our midfielders scoring goals, yes a few of them have scored the odd half here and there, (bar Jackie), but is it REALLY enough, do Jackie, VBR, Staniforth, Moore, Ladd, Zelem, Hanson, and Galton really scare too many teams, (Galton possibly/hopefully does, as she has the best record out of all of them) with their goalscoring potential??
I have left out Fuso, as who actually knows what position she plays, I don't think Marc even knows!
Tooney is in a league of her own, right now if she or Russo don't score, then it is down to Galton, and errrrrr......that is it, in terms of our goalscoring threat to opposing sides.

So, we definitely need more firepower there, being honest, if Staniforth left, I don't think we would miss her all that much, she is another one that has spent more time not in the team, then in it.

We need to increase the size of the squad, but equally so, we need to have a squad that not only has good depth, but has good quality option's, something that in a lot of areas, we simply don't have right now.

In terms of Bruun, I could have sworn that she was the reigning Danish Player of the Year, with Harder in second place in that particular vote, so I wasn't saying that I personally rated her higher than Harder, I most definitely don't.

I think the areas that we need to look to strengthen are CB, FB (both sides, especially if Ona leaves), DM, (if Moore leaves), AM (if Jackie leaves, if not I still would look to bring a player who is much more of a goalscoring threat than she is), 2 wingers (to either replace Hanson, and to add depth to Galton on the other side), and a striker, to rotate with Russo (if she is still here).

So, I am not asking for too much!

I am expecting only one or two signings, sadly, and for one or two to leave us.
I hope to be proven wrong, as I desperately want to see us, with a squad that can genuinely look to push at least one of the big 3 closer than we have this season.

 

[Wixqaz]

City have a very bloated squad, they need to sell before they buy players, so until they do, I can't see why players would join them, especially ones that have any notion or idea of actually playing first team football.

So I hope that we can pull this one off, as it is something different from the cast offs that we usually go for, or are happy to accept.

City are getting 2/3 Spanish players.

If you think United's Contract situation is bad you should checkout both City and Arsenal.

From memory City have Stanway, Bronze, Weir all ending (I think Lucy will stay, Weir seems to be going and I'd assume Stanway will stay but who knows).

Arsenal have Viv almost certainly leaving for Barca now and Foord with a few lower level players like Beattie etc.

 

[MUW4Eva]

City are getting 2/3 Spanish players.

If you think United's Contract situation is bad you should checkout both City and Arsenal.

From memory City have Stanway, Bronze, Weir all ending (I think Lucy will stay, Weir seems to be going and I'd assume Stanway will stay but who knows).

Arsenal have Viv almost certainly leaving for Barca now and Foord with a few lower level players like Beattie etc.

Is Nobbs leaving Arsenal as well or not, that situation is a bit confusing, as I assumed that she was.

As for City, I would assume that Bronze is one of the highest paid players there, since she arrived from Lyon, so getting her to sign a deal, no matter if it is with City or elsewhere, will cost a team a pretty sizable amount.
Not sure where else she would really fit in, perhaps a bit ironically, and of course it would never ever happen, but if Barcelona were to sign Ona, she wouldn't be a bad replacement....

Next season's squads sound like they will be very significantly different for lots of different teams, I hope that will include ourselves as well, we can't afford to just stand still, we desperately need to improve all over the pitch.

 

[Wixqaz]

Is Nobbs leaving Arsenal as well or not, that situation is a bit confusing, as I assumed that she was.

As for City, I would assume that Bronze is one of the highest paid players there, since she arrived from Lyon, so getting her to sign a deal, no matter if it is with City or elsewhere, will cost a team a pretty sizable amount.
Not sure where else she would really fit in, perhaps a bit ironically, and of course it would never ever happen, but if Barcelona were to sign Ona, she wouldn't be a bad replacement....

Next season's squads sound like they will be very significantly different for lots of different teams, I hope that will include ourselves as well, we can't afford to just stand still, we desperately need to improve all over the pitch.

Arsenal annoyingly never announce the lengths of their contracts, so everyone assumed Nobbs was out this season but it turns out shes got another year. She's injured now, and tbh it did look a bad one but it's not been announced that she'll miss the Euro's etc. If I was her I'd leave, because she's not getting the game time she needs and her form post injury a few years ago has been bad to her standards. I don't think Jonas rates her.

If Bronze leaves I wonder if it'll be NWSL. But I doubt she'll leave as Walsh is still contracted for City.

 

[jojojo]

One of the things that's irritated me about some of Skinner's post-match press conferences has been his habit of talking about how, "the players are learning," as if that should be satisfaction in itself.

Those kinds of statement sound fine from a youth team manager, but they're a lot less satisfying from a first team coach. I know he has to tread a line between telling the truth and not upsetting the club bosses, but even so

Still, it was nice to hear:

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[MUW4Eva]

One of the things that's irritated me about some of Skinner's post-match press conferences has been his habit of talking about how, "the players are learning," as if that should be satisfaction in itself.

Those kinds of statement sound fine from a youth team manager, but they're a lot less satisfying from a first team coach. I know he has to tread a line between telling the truth and not upsetting the club bosses, but even so

Still, it was nice to hear:

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Yeah he comes across as a youth team coach trying to just develop players for the next step up, when this IS the step up, this is THE top step.

We need to not be picking up teams leftovers, and actually make a few signings, that will make the top 3 sit up and take notice of us.

This summer needs to be a big summer, if we let it pass us by, then we will simply not put up any sort of challenge next season.

 

[Wixqaz]

I think going from todays insta story from Hanson, Groenen is leaving. I also expect Batlle to leave.

I take what you mean about leftovers, but it depends on the player involved and their age. I'd take Foord for example and wouldn't consider her a leftover from Arsenal.

 

[MUW4Eva]

I think going from todays insta story from Hanson, Groenen is leaving. I also expect Batlle to leave.

I take what you mean about leftovers, but it depends on the player involved and their age. I'd take Foord for example and wouldn't consider her a leftover from Arsenal.

Just checked on Instagram, not quite sure that I am seeing or reading into Kirsty's posts what you are seeing, nothing wrong with that, I just read it differently that is all.

Whatever happens, happens.
I want and would prefer Jackie to stay, same with Ona, both are key players, and we should be looking yo build upon this season, not looking for yet another rebuild.

The issue with leftovers, is that is what they tend to be, players who other clubs are happy to see leave, or see no reason to hold onto them.
Foord at Arsenal, is a player that I would be happy with, but is she really surplus to their requirements??

This summer, we really do have to have a good one, we can't afford to see top class players like Ona, Jackie, etc leave, only to replace them with dross, cast offs, players for the future etc etc, we need ready made first team players, that are either just as good as the player that they are replacing, or much more preferable, better.

Standing still is the same as going backwards, and that simply shouldn't be an option.

 

[Wixqaz]

Just checked on Instagram, not quite sure that I am seeing or reading into Kirsty's posts what you are seeing, nothing wrong with that, I just read it differently that is all.

Whatever happens, happens.
I want and would prefer Jackie to stay, same with Ona, both are key players, and we should be looking yo build upon this season, not looking for yet another rebuild.

The issue with leftovers, is that is what they tend to be, players who other clubs are happy to see leave, or see no reason to hold onto them.
Foord at Arsenal, is a player that I would be happy with, but is she really surplus to their requirements??

This summer, we really do have to have a good one, we can't afford to see top class players like Ona, Jackie, etc leave, only to replace them with dross, cast offs, players for the future etc etc, we need ready made first team players, that are either just as good as the player that they are replacing, or much more preferable, better.

Standing still is the same as going backwards, and that simply shouldn't be an option.

Foord for example like Viv hasn't had a renewal announced yet and her contract expires this summer. I think players who haven't announced a renewal by now are more likely to leave. Arsenal definitely want her to stay, but is she happy to... we'll find out.

To go back to the Bruun thing I mentioned before. The reason the loan happened is that United were trying to sign one player and the club didn't allow it, then Bruun's agency suggested she may be available instead. Foord has the same agent so I wonder if it was her.

 

[MUW4Eva]

Foord for example like Viv hasn't had a renewal announced yet and her contract expires this summer. I think players who haven't announced a renewal by now are more likely to leave. Arsenal definitely want her to stay, but is she happy to... we'll find out.

To go back to the Bruun thing I mentioned before. The reason the loan happened is that United were trying to sign one player and the club didn't allow it, then Bruun's agency suggested she may be available instead. Foord has the same agent so I wonder if it was her.

If what you say is correct (I am not doubting you, so please don't take this personally!) about contracts, then we will have about 6 leave all at once!! Not exactly ideal!!

I see Everton have already announced that Esmile has left and West Ham have changed managers, wow they don't mess around!

Thanks for clearing up the Bruun thing, that is very helpful.

 

[croadyman]

We desperately need to bring in some players who have experience of competing for trophies, particularly players surplus to requirements for City, Arsenal & Chelsea.

 

[MUW4Eva]

We desperately need to bring in some players who have experience of competing for trophies, particularly players surplus to requirements for City, Arsenal & Chelsea.

I would partially agree, yes we need players who have experience of not just competing for trophies, but winning them, but no, we shouldn't be signing players who are surplus to those teams, if a player isn't good enough for them, why should we be interested in them?

If we want to be better than or all of the big 3, then we need to have players that are not only just as good as the ones they have, but better, so by signing their leftovers, that doesn't help us to achieve that does it?

We need to have higher ambitions that signing just who they are happy to let go.

 

[Wixqaz]

So question. Do we want to keep this thread just for United transfer news or it be more used for woso in general transfer news?

My thinking for using it for all teams is that those transfers may have an indirect link to United anything.

 

[MUW4Eva]

So question. Do we want to keep this thread just for United transfer news or it be more used for woso in general transfer news?

My thinking for using it for all teams is that those transfers may have an indirect link to United anything.

Well unlike sadly with the men's side of things, there doesn't appear to be a dedicated transfer section, so yeah, we can use this for all teams, I suppose.

 

[jojojo]

So question. Do we want to keep this thread just for United transfer news or it be more used for woso in general transfer news?

My thinking for using it for all teams is that those transfers may have an indirect link to United anything.

Transfers that might start a chain of events that might affect us are always interesting I think. So the kind of moves that may mean that a team is overloaded on a position say, or that suggest another player is intending to move.

I don't think we have the volume of posters to have multiple threads running - especially as most of us don't know the players/squads well enough to know the implications of a particular move. Multiple threads would just end up with the same post getting repeated in multiple threads.

Maybe use this thread for general news on what's happening in the market, particularly for clubs who may have players we want or who are chasing players we want?

To make sure any news links or strong rumours don't get missed we've got the United specific threads:
Women's team 22/23 Transfer rumours/updates | RedCafe.net
Women's team - contract renewal news for 22/23 | RedCafe.net

 

[Wixqaz]

This all makes sense so I’m going to start off with this surprising news today.

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It was heavily suggested Renard was leaving and that’s a long contract for someone over 30. But the suggestion is that they’ve offered big because Buchanan is moving (possibly to Real Madrid).

 

[jojojo]

This all makes sense so I’m going to start off with this surprising news today.

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It was heavily suggested Renard was leaving and that’s a long contract for someone over 30. But the suggestion is that they’ve offered big because Buchanan is moving (possibly to Real Madrid).

Those Buchanan to Madrid stories from a couple of weeks ago, did make it sound like a done deal - are there rumours connecting her to someone else?

As for Wendie Renard, I'm not surprised Lyon made the long contract offer - she's been a special player for them, she's still a great one (when fit), and it was really hard to imagine her somewhere else.

 

[Wixqaz]

Those Buchanan to Madrid stories from a couple of weeks ago, did make it sound like a done deal - are there rumours connecting her to someone else?

As for Wendie Renard, I'm not surprised Lyon made the long contract offer - she's been a special player for them, she's still a great one (when fit), and it was really hard to imagine her somewhere else.

She totally played it as well ‘I want to try something new’. I believed her, thought maybe NWSL at Reign like ELS etc.

I’ve not seen anything new about Buchanan and it would be a big get for Real as they’re not guaranteed UWCL this year yet.

I have seen some suggestions that Lyon are interested in Stanway but I can’t believe that’s true, surely she’s not at their level.

Bronze/Miedema/Foord/Stanway/Weir all seem to have expired contracts and no announcements yet.

 

[MUW4Eva]

She totally played it as well ‘I want to try something new’. I believed her, thought maybe NWSL at Reign like ELS etc.

I’ve not seen anything new about Buchanan and it would be a big get for Real as they’re not guaranteed UWCL this year yet.

I have seen some suggestions that Lyon are interested in Stanway but I can’t believe that’s true, surely she’s not at their level.

Bronze/Miedema/Foord/Stanway/Weir all seem to have expired contracts and no announcements yet.

Renard playing for anyone else, was always a really weird thought, when I think of her, I only think of Lyon, so it is only right that she ends her career there.

We have a few players with expiring contracts, so perhaps some clubs might be interested in them...

I can see City re-signing all of their players, above to be honest.

 

[Wixqaz]

Renard playing for anyone else, was always a really weird thought, when I think of her, I only think of Lyon, so it is only right that she ends her career there.

We have a few players with expiring contracts, so perhaps some clubs might be interested in them...

I can see City re-signing all of their players, above to be honest.

I think Weirs off. Originally I thought ACFC in NWSL but now she’s linked with Real as well and she’s a fan of them.

I think Groenen, Batlle and for her own sake Harris from United. Maybe Staniforth as well.

 

[MUW4Eva]

I think Weirs off. Originally I thought ACFC in NWSL but now she’s linked with Real as well and she’s a fan of them.

I think Groenen, Batlle and for her own sake Harris from United. Maybe Staniforth as well.

Add Fuso as well from us to depart, as really what does she add to our side? I still haven't the foggiest idea of what her best position is on the pitch.
Would we really miss her if she left??
Would anyone really notice??

Harris, Caldwell, Staniforth, Bruun, plus at least one of Rambo or Baggers, if not both to leave us this summer I think.

It would be incredibly disappointing to see any of Turner, Ona, Jackie, or Russo leave us, we should be building around them, not letting them leave.

As for Weir, I hope that she leaves, as that would mean no chance for a god damn third season running of City and her scoring a replica goal against us, I would be delighted to see her leave!!

 

[Wixqaz]

Add Fuso as well from us to depart, as really what does she add to our side? I still haven't the foggiest idea of what her best position is on the pitch.
Would we really miss her if she left??
Would anyone really notice??

Harris, Caldwell, Staniforth, Bruun, plus at least one of Rambo or Baggers, if not both to leave us this summer I think.

It would be incredibly disappointing to see any of Turner, Ona, Jackie, or Russo leave us, we should be building around them, not letting them leave.

As for Weir, I hope that she leaves, as that would mean no chance for a god damn third season running of City and her scoring a replica goal against us, I would be delighted to see her leave!!

Fuso is a forward who plays across the line. Thought she was very good in the Conti cup games and she has a lot of pace. I’d not sell a 21 year old who plays for the Brazil NT. I would send her on loan, she was apparently supposed to go on loan in Jan so I’d send her out to maybe Villa or Leicester for the season and then judge her.

Of course she may want to leave due to game time and her husband plays in Germany I think, but I’d keep unless she wants to go.

Ramsey and Bentley signed new deals before leaving on loan. I’d keep Baggers as she’s a very good backup and I’d keep those 2 on loan.

I don’t think Ramsey would get a starting WSL position elsewhere yet.

 

[MUW4Eva]

Fuso is a forward who plays across the line. Thought she was very good in the Conti cup games and she has a lot of pace. I’d not sell a 21 year old who plays for the Brazil NT. I would send her on loan, she was apparently supposed to go on loan in Jan so I’d send her out to maybe Villa or Leicester for the season and then judge her.

Of course she may want to leave due to game time and her husband plays in Germany I think, but I’d keep unless she wants to go.

Ramsey and Bentley signed new deals before leaving on loan. I’d keep Baggers as she’s a very good backup and I’d keep those 2 on loan.

I don’t think Ramsey would get a starting WSL position elsewhere yet.

Is it a case of Fuso "...playing across the line" because she is good enough to do so, or the fact that she has yet to find her best role, or a combination of both??
If we really want to push on to get 3rd place next season, or even perhaps above that, is she really going to help us do just that??
We should have a squad of players that we can look at it and think (a) this squad is good enough to do so, and (b) look at it and know with a fair bit of certainty that each player deserves to be here.

I just don't think we will miss Fuso if we let her go.
She doesn't add anything to our first team, sending a 21 year old out on loan, who has been with us now for a while, does show just how far away from our first team she still is.

I would sell here, then of she is any good at her next club, we can always just do what we did with Pogba, and bring her back.

In terms of the keepers, I am a bit confused by your post, you say that you would keep Baggers and that Rambo isn't good enough for another WSL side, so presumably then, you would think both will be here next season??
If so, then not sure how that would work, as Mary is and will be our number one, so both surely wouldn't be too happy with sitting in the stand for large stretches of the season.

I just think we have far too many goalkeepers, something has to give there.

 

[Wixqaz]

Is it a case of Fuso "...playing across the line" because she is good enough to do so, or the fact that she has yet to find her best role, or a combination of both??
If we really want to push on to get 3rd place next season, or even perhaps above that, is she really going to help us do just that??
We should have a squad of players that we can look at it and think (a) this squad is good enough to do so, and (b) look at it and know with a fair bit of certainty that each player deserves to be here.

I just don't think we will miss Fuso if we let her go.
She doesn't add anything to our first team, sending a 21 year old out on loan, who has been with us now for a while, does show just how far away from our first team she still is.

I would sell here, then of she is any good at her next club, we can always just do what we did with Pogba, and bring her back.

In terms of the keepers, I am a bit confused by your post, you say that you would keep Baggers and that Rambo isn't good enough for another WSL side, so presumably then, you would think both will be here next season??
If so, then not sure how that would work, as Mary is and will be our number one, so both surely wouldn't be too happy with sitting in the stand for large stretches of the season.

I just think we have far too many goalkeepers, something has to give there.

Im saying that I don’t think Ramsey and Bentley will be sold because they signed new deals before their loans. If it was me I’d loan them out again preferably to the same teams. If Ramsey wants to leave I don’t think she’ll get a first choice spot right now.

Baggers is a better deputy and has pushed Earps more than the young gks have.

We won’t agree about Fuso, so let’s leave it as that and we’ll see what happens.

One question have you followed woso for long? In the women’s game it’s far more usually to find players who play multiple positions like Fuso, Hanson, VBR, Batlle, Ladd etc.