Vieira kicks invader

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Fan deserved the kick, but the amount of soft snowflakes in here against fans celebrating on the pitch :lol: Get a grip or go and watch Golf.
 

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Nobody is talking about this seriously enough.

Love Everton, but they should have a stadium ban to start the next season, and a suspended points deduction of at least 6 points.

English fans are a mob.
 

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Nowhere near the magnificence of Cantona’s flying kick.

Nevertheless, a decent effort ….6/10
 

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To resolve this Vieira has to take a heavy fine of 1000 pounds, Everton has to get 3 points deduction. The fan who got kicked in the ass should get ban for life.
 

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If the CCTV footage showed also the person attacked you first or was bothering you, I don't think you would be arrested. Or that CCTV footage is biased and only captured you kicking them and the earlier part vanished.
If you came up to me and started shouting abuse at me (but didn’t hit me) and I turned around and kicked you to the floor I would 100% be arrested if there was video footage.
 

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Both the fan and Viera are in the wrong, both failed to control their impulses and both acted in a fashion we shouldn't condone in stadiums or wider society.

No sympathy for the fan as I'm not sure what response he was anticipating or what satisfaction such shithousery delivers.
No sympathy for Viera as he wasn't "defending" himself, he lashed out in petulance not fear. Viera is somewhat lucky his actions didn't incite a reaction from the flurry of partisan fans around him, it was also a stupid/rash response for this reason.

I can better empathise with Viera in this instance but that does not justify his kick it simply makes him the lesser of two evils.
 

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Last I checked, invading a pitch is trespassing at worst, it does not subject you to an assault. And from what I understand, he did get in his face but there was no contact. Doubt the police will take this seriously though so its entirely up to the FA.
Can you point to where I said it was worse than trespass? I said that it’s a major difference between Cantona/Dier incidents and this. You’re making a very dumb point/very deliberately missing the point.
 

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Fan deserved the kick, but the amount of soft snowflakes in here against fans celebrating on the pitch :lol: Get a grip or go and watch Golf.
I don’t think that’s the problem.

Players and managers should be allowed to defend their personal space. If a drunk stranger ran up to me and was screaming in my face, I’d also lash out and there should be no consequences for my actions. He shouldn’t have been there, I didn’t know him or his intentions.

If players are not allowed to defend personal space, then police officers and security should prevent pitch invasions.
 

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Regardless of where Simmonds was supposed to be sat, he was still in essence in what is the viewing area. There are stewards and security manning the perimeter of the playing/viewing area, it’s massively different and pretending otherwise is daft.
Opposition fan leaves his seat and runs a fair bit away from it to abuse Eric Cantona and gets kicked.

Opposition fan leaves his seat and runs a fair bit away from it to abuse Patrick Viera and gets kicked.

Yeah you're right mate my apologies both incidents are nothing alike.

Seriously though I don't think Viera should be punished but then again I didn't think Cantona should have been banned for 9 months either. The situations aren't identical but there are similarities and as much as I don't think Viera should be harshly punished I do wonder what the FA's reaction to his would be if it was the Man Utd Manager.


Also no player has been sent off for touching a pitch invader, not even close. That just comes across as very “THESE DAYS YOU GET LOCKED UP AND THROWN IN JAIL FOR SAYING YOUR ENGLISH!!1!1!” in how ludicrous a statement it is. The most I can think of is Sam Kerr getting a yellow when she laid out a pitch invader (which he totally deserved, and the booking got a massive backlash).
Honest question mate did you even Google it before posting this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/16296118

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...for-tackling-borat-pitch-invader-6575047.html

https://www.givemesport.com/1755768-hapoel-tel-avivs-edi-gotlieb-sent-off-for-striking-pitch-invader

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...eceives-red-card-for-tripping-a-pitch-invader

Ludicrous indeed.
 

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If Vieira is charged then Everton should be punished as well. Point deduction for next season otherwise it would mean, you can invade and taunt the players and manager and nothing will happen
 

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Fan deserved the kick, but the amount of soft snowflakes in here against fans celebrating on the pitch :lol: Get a grip or go and watch Golf.
What snowflake had to do with anything? This put safety of players and manager at risk and should not be allowed.
 

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Opposition fan leaves his seat and runs a fair bit away from it to abuse Eric Cantona and gets kicked.

Opposition fan leaves his seat and runs a fair bit away from it to abuse Patrick Viera and gets kicked.

Yeah you're right mate my apologies both incidents are nothing alike.

Seriously though I don't think Viera should be punished but then again I didn't think Cantona should have been banned for 9 months either. The situations aren't identical but there are similarities and as much as I don't think Viera should be harshly punished I do wonder what the FA's reaction to his would be if it was the Man Utd Manager.
So you’re just going to continue ignoring the entire point? Nice to know rather than wasting time

So the only high level example you have is that a red card was rescinded? Don’t get a job as a lawyer. Actually Rebekah Vardy might take you on, go for it.
 

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So you’re just going to continue ignoring the entire point? Nice to know rather than wasting time
Am I?

I thought I was basically agreeing with you that Viera shouldn't be punished in a tongue in cheek way.

So the only high level example you have is that a red card was rescinded? Don’t get a job as a lawyer. Actually Rebekah Vardy might take you on, go for it.
:lol:

Feck me mate.

Yeah one of them was rescinded because the player was attacked first. But he still got a red card for misconduct in the first place because players aren't allowed to touch pitch invaders same with the other 3 red cards. The top leagues in Holland, Greece and Israel also play under FIFA rules the last time I checked.

Do you agree now that players can and do get red cards for touching (punching/tackling/tripping/kicking) pitch invaders?
 
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I would be for bringing in rules about pitch invasions for next year. They can be beautiful if done right but sadly a few idiots absolutely spoil what should be a wonderful moment and you can’t guarantee that someone won’t try to be a social media nobhead.
but rules are already there, it is illegal to be on the pitch.
But how to you stop 1000's of fans over running the stweards.
1000’s of stewards. they’ll link arms together and encircle the pitch, creating and impenetrable barrier. of course there isn’t a lot of room at some grounds. in that case they will shrink the pitch down so that the game is contained within the centre circle, with stewards occupying the rest of the pitch.
If they wanted to, clubs could put a stop to this. I went to the University of Florida and at football games in Gainesville, they never have fans invade. See the article attached:

https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/sec/florida/gator-fans-never-rush-field/

It also helps to have local police ushering the coaches off the field. I can't post pics on the Caf yet, but there's a State Trooper that is legendary at UF! Nobody would ever mess with him!
https://www.gatorcountry.com/wp-con...Florida-Gators-football-1280x852-1021x580.jpg

If European clubs can get security to separate rival fans in the stands at hostile matches, surely they can get the same security to prevent pitch invasions?
 

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A pitch invasion celebrating staying up after what they’ve spent . What a joke of a club . I read somewhere that since Klopp took over Everton have spent more money.
 

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Hmmm I wonder why they’ve came to that conclusion. Whoever wrote the article should get their head kicked in.
probably coming after the fan headbutting Billy Sharp recently at the pitch invasion at the end of Forest v Sheffield Utd. Papers love to overreact.
 

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probably coming after the fan headbutting Billy Sharp recently at the pitch invasion at the end of Forest v Sheffield Utd. Papers love to overreact.
I was referring more to the fact they’ve took some fecking idiot running on the pitch getting in Vieira’s face abusing him and framed it as Vieira “attacks” fan. Absolute nonsense. Wouldn’t have anything to do with the fact he’s a foreign black man would it? Typical from the DailyMail, absolute gutter rag!
 
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Both the fan and Viera are in the wrong, both failed to control their impulses and both acted in a fashion we shouldn't condone in stadiums or wider society.

No sympathy for the fan as I'm not sure what response he was anticipating or what satisfaction such shithousery delivers.
No sympathy for Viera as he wasn't "defending" himself, he lashed out in petulance not fear. Viera is somewhat lucky his actions didn't incite a reaction from the flurry of partisan fans around him, it was also a stupid/rash response for this reason.

I can better empathise with Viera in this instance but that does not justify his kick it simply makes him the lesser of two evils.
That's textbook self-defense. What that invader did is assault - the mere act of antagonising a person to the extent where a reasonable person would believe an attack to be possible is assault. What Viera did was take enough action to deter the offender from any such escalation and was proportionate in that it achieved that outcome without any degree of harm inflicted on him.

What he did can also alternatively be classed as being a reasonable outcome of provocation.

There's not a single legal ground against him.
 

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Before this thread I hadn't realised "Vieira" was so fecking hard to spell correctly.
 

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If they wanted to, clubs could put a stop to this. I went to the University of Florida and at football games in Gainesville, they never have fans invade. See the article attached:

https://fanbuzz.com/college-football/sec/florida/gator-fans-never-rush-field/

It also helps to have local police ushering the coaches off the field. I can't post pics on the Caf yet, but there's a State Trooper that is legendary at UF! Nobody would ever mess with him!
https://www.gatorcountry.com/wp-con...Florida-Gators-football-1280x852-1021x580.jpg

If European clubs can get security to separate rival fans in the stands at hostile matches, surely they can get the same security to prevent pitch invasions?
they should employ the same tactics for armed maniacs invading schools.