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This still might be favourite video.


Recently re watched Blue Velvet for the millionth time and Badalamenti score is brilliant. One of the all time greats.
Now I want to know what those synths in the back are.

Such an amazing sound in a Rhodes btw, with the vibrato and distortion. It can be harsh and soft, lovely and aggressive. So versatile.

Also very heavy to lift - but that also mean you can stack synth on top of it; try that with a grand piano. (Well, if you have the flat-top version, not this one.)
 

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Now I want to know what those synths in the back are.
Top one looks Roland, bottom one Korg, to me. Guy on GS that worked with him says he loves the Korg 01/W, and the D50 is mentioned a lot. Hard to see in the vid, but I'll say it could be those, but also any number of others [/nerd].
 

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Top one looks Roland, bottom one Korg, to me. Guy on GS that worked with him says he loves the Korg 01/W, and the D50 is mentioned a lot. Hard to see in the vid, but I'll say it could be those, but also any number of others [/nerd].
Damn, you have good eyes! To me there both just a black blur in the video. You might well be right though, certainly the physical appearance of those two synths matches what you see there: the 01/W is relatively bulky, has its display left of the middle, and has a rather wide bit left of the keyboard; and the D50 is much smaller, and has a slightly wider bit to the left of the keyboard than to the right.



 

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Damn, you have good eyes! To me there both just a black blur in the video. You might well be right though, certainly the physical appearance of those two synths matches what you see there: the 01/W is relatively bulky, has its display left of the middle, and has a rather wide bit left of the keyboard; and the D50 is much smaller, and has a slightly wider bit to the left of the keyboard than to the right.



I'm a massive trainspotter when it comes to gear :lol:

As you've noticed too, the size and shape of the pitch/mod sticks, and the shape and location of the screens make whittling down manufacturers relatively easy. Helps when the synths turn up a lot in searches for stuff you like as well. Those two and the Wavestation are space ambient monsters with a bit of posh reverb. They're on a lot of classic recordings.
 

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I'm a massive trainspotter when it comes to gear :lol:

As you've noticed too, the size and shape of the pitch/mod sticks, and the shape and location of the screens make whittling down manufacturers relatively easy. Helps when the synths turn up a lot in searches for stuff you like as well. Those two and the Wavestation are space ambient monsters with a bit of posh reverb. They're on a lot of classic recordings.
Me and a friend can spend a lot of time on this when it comes to gear from the 70s and first half of the 80s - but I get lost when you get to the era of almost exclusively black colourless boxes. Hence the full respect. ;)
 

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I retracked some softsynth tracks with my Pro 1 for the first time yesterday. Fun :)

It's only got two voices (kind of), but it seems pretty versatile to me. I did a bassline with one setup and some two-note chords with another setup. Probably took around ten mins to set up something decent from one to the other.
 

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I retracked some softsynth tracks with my Pro 1 for the first time yesterday. Fun :)

It's only got two voices (kind of), but it seems pretty versatile to me. I did a bassline with one setup and some two-note chords with another setup. Probably took around ten mins to set up something decent from one to the other.
Those limited synths are so awesome! I mean, just think of all the sounds that have been made by a Minimoog. Or, if you're into 70s Genesis, check out all the sounds and things Tony Banks got out of an Arp Pro-Soloist - which even has super limited editing options!
 

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I don't really understand how it all works, but apparently a computer is generating that on it's own. Chilled out late night background sound.
I don't know how much you care, but either way, I figured my response rather belongs in this thread - also because they're using some nice equipment that synth nerds can drool over. ;)

Anyway, they are basically creating continuous sounds that very slowly change (the sound itself, and alternating between two chords). Various synth components or modules can do that, and they set those to really low frequencies. Since the change happens in different tempos, you get evolving music that's never really the same.

I have nothing with the music myself (good to fall asleep to I guess ;) ), but love this sort of sound. :)
 

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I sold my Bass Station II a while ago, and finally used the cash to pick up a Polyend Tracker.

Bit of an impulse buy, I never really got into software trackers, though I love the idea of them. Surprised how instant the Tracker is considering I just couldn't make much sense of the software versions. It does quite a lot of things I wish the Digitakt could do. Oh, and it plays NES roms, which is pretty important.

My set-up looks pretty minimal now the BS2 is gone. Just 3 boxes and a controller. I'm all digital now.

 

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I sold my Bass Station II a while ago, and finally used the cash to pick up a Polyend Tracker.

Bit of an impulse buy, I never really got into software trackers, though I love the idea of them. Surprised how instant the Tracker is considering I just couldn't make much sense of the software versions. It does quite a lot of things I wish the Digitakt could do. Oh, and it plays NES roms, which is pretty important.

My set-up looks pretty minimal now the BS2 is gone. Just 3 boxes and a controller. I'm all digital now.

So what does a tracker do? Is it like the Fast Tracker software, which I was playing with a lot in the 90s? It looks like that on the left: trigger events (samples in FT2) with various options (velocity, fx) on a number of parallel tracks. Like this:


I had so much fun with that. :)
 
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So what does a tracker do? Is it like the Fast Tracker software, which I was playing with a lot in the 90s? It looks like that on the left: trigger events (samples in FT2) with various options (velocity, fx) on a number of parallel tracks. Like this:


I had so much even with that. :)
That's right. It's basically software like that, built into a groovebox. It also has a very good sampler built in, and can do granular and wavetable synthesis very well too. It's great fun.
 

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That's right. It's basically software like that, built into a groovebox. It also has a very good sampler built in, and can do granular and wavetable synthesis very well too. It's great fun.
Awesome! (I also meant to say 'so much fun' previously...)

How is it to edit everything through the device? It kinda looks like it screams for a mouse. :D And I suppose the synthesis is for processing samples, or does it have its own oscillators as well?
 

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Used to have a Korg M1 and E-MU Emax2 sampler back in the day. Loads of fun.

These days I'm all software based - Serum, Arturia Pigments, Mini-V, U-HE Diva, etc., along with a boatload of plugins and Ableton.
 

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Awesome! (I also meant to say 'so much fun' previously...)

How is it to edit everything through the device? It kinda looks like it screams for a mouse. :D And I suppose the synthesis is for processing samples, or does it have its own oscillators as well?
It has a scroll wheel which is really fast for navigation, you can scroll through a waveform and trim and slice really quickly. I've messed around with Renoise quite a bit and never gelled with it, but this feels very fast. Personally I never feel like I'm missing a mouse. And there's no keyboard shortcuts to memorise, like in software trackers.

You can use samples for granular and wavetable, but it also comes with a bunch of single cycle wave forms, which you can loop and then sculpt it with the envelopes and effects. I haven't done much of the latter yet.
 

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It has a scroll wheel which is really fast for navigation, you can scroll through a waveform and trim and slice really quickly. I've messed around with Renoise quite a bit and never gelled with it, but this feels very fast. Personally I never feel like I'm missing a mouse. And there's no keyboard shortcuts to memorise, like in software trackers.

You can use samples for granular and wavetable, but it also comes with a bunch of single cycle wave forms, which you can loop and then sculpt it with the envelopes and effects. I haven't done much of the latter yet.
Sounds pretty all-in-one. :) Cool!
 

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I thought this might be of interest here. It's a video I got from @Sweet Square:



It's an interview with the makers of the soundtrack for Uncut Gems. I have not actually seen the film yet (how often have I told people this now? :D ), but the sound is amazing - a lot of early 80s Vangelis (think Bladerunner especially), with touches of Jarre, Tangerine Dreams etc. In the video, they discuss how they got to that sound, and especially what role the Moog One played in it. (Naturally, since it's a Moog interview. Damn that beat is expensive btw!!! But it sounds amazing... :drool: )
 

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I finally managed to get hold of a Yamaha SY35 - the original model I bought in my band days.

It's wicked probably not the best even at it's time at anything but a very solid all rounder and the vector synthesis is what I wanted to use again - you can make some seriously good voices with it.

Never selling this one again.

 

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I finally managed to get hold of a Yamaha SY35 - the original model I bought in my band days.

It's wicked probably not the best even at it's time at anything but a very solid all rounder and the vector synthesis is what I wanted to use again - you can make some seriously good voices with it.

Never selling this one again.

That's like an SY-99, right, but just less whistles and bells? Should be be very interesting to combine FM and sample synthesis.
 

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That's like an SY-99, right, but just less whistles and bells? Should be be very interesting to combine FM and sample synthesis.
Yep was 1992 I believe this one was bought from Denmark Street in London. The voice creation is so good. It has 128 voices which seems tiny now but when you combine everything you can get something awesome out of it.
 

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Yep was 1992 I believe this one was bought from Denmark Street in London. The voice creation is so good. It has 128 voices which seems tiny now but when you combine everything you can get something awesome out of it.
A friend of mine had the SY-99. I always thought it was an amazing beast - it sounded great in his tracks.
 

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Ah man, it's just an avalanche of great music people dieing. (Alan White just last week, Vangelis before that, etc.)

The Prophet-5 might be the most influential synth in history after the Minimoog. Absolutely amazing. It's hard to imagine now what an impact it had since synths are so ubiquitous and their capabilities so broad, but at the time, being able to stuff memory and polyphony in one box for a reasonable price and with a mind-blowing sound was nothing short of revolutionary - and it did contribute massively to the use of synths in pop/rock/EDM.

Here's someone demoing the synth:
 

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Ah man, it's just an avalanche of great music people dieing. (Alan White just last week, Vangelis before that, etc.)

The Prophet-5 might be the most influential synth in history after the Minimoog. Absolutely amazing. It's hard to imagine now what an impact it had since synths are so ubiquitous and their capabilities so broad, but at the time, being able to stuff memory and polyphony in one box for a reasonable price and with a mind-blowing sound was nothing short of revolutionary - and it did contribute massively to the use of synths in pop/rock/EDM.

Here's someone demoing the synth:
I think Dave got a grammy too. He died at an event he was invited in Detroit. Heart attack
 
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Ah man, it's just an avalanche of great music people dieing. (Alan White just last week, Vangelis before that, etc.)

The Prophet-5 might be the most influential synth in history after the Minimoog. Absolutely amazing. It's hard to imagine now what an impact it had since synths are so ubiquitous and their capabilities so broad, but at the time, being able to stuff memory and polyphony in one box for a reasonable price and with a mind-blowing sound was nothing short of revolutionary - and it did contribute massively to the use of synths in pop/rock/EDM.

Here's someone demoing the synth:
it was the DX7 that really shook things up with it's FM synthesis and to a lesser extent the Roland D50 a bit later. I have the Yamaha Montage 7 which is an absolute beast. It'll take me years to fully get my head around it.
 

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it was the DX7 that really shook things up with it's FM synthesis and to a lesser extent the Roland D50 a bit later. I have the Yamaha Montage 7 which is an absolute beast. It'll take me years to fully get my head around it.
Different generation though. The Prophet 5 appeared in 1978, the DX7 in 1983, after the Prophet had had its influence on music. FM synthesis was new and the DX7 quite new, but it didn't have the same sort of impact I don't think.

Does a Montage 7 have FM synthesis? I haven't yet had a chance to play with that.
 

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Different generation though. The Prophet 5 appeared in 1978, the DX7 in 1983, after the Prophet had had its influence on music. FM synthesis was new and the DX7 quite new, but it didn't have the same sort of impact I don't think.

Does a Montage 7 have FM synthesis? I haven't yet had a chance to play with that.
The DX7 swept aside all before it. It was much bigger than the Prophet 5. Everybody who was anybody had one n the 80s/90s. It did revolutonise the sound of music back then.

The Yamaha Montage has both AWM2 and FM-X sound engines that you can use separately or together in loads of ways along with filters, DSPs etc. and over 10000 arpeggios. It would take me the rest of the evening to fully explain what it can do, I'm not familiar with it all...yet.

Here is my setup. I use Mixcraft 9 Pro and PreSonus Studio One DAWs.

 

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There's load of vids on them but this is a good one. That looks like the 88-key model. Mine is the 76-key, latest version.

 

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I got hold of an old Yamaha SY-35 a year or so ago the first synth I ever owned back in the day.

Quirky but fantastic sounding. The DX7 ruled the 80's really though didn't it? Every TOTP hit seemingly used one. Korg M1 was the early 90's I think.

Mostly use a MOXF6 these days which is bonkers having bought extra voice banks. Can even play Baba O'Riley with it just as a couple of split voices. It's got Prophet voices and Moogs so more than enough for me those originals though must cost some bucks now that clip you posted sounds great.
 

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I got hold of an old Yamaha SY-35 a year or so ago the first synth I ever owned back in the day.

Quirky but fantastic sounding. The DX7 ruled the 80's really though didn't it? Every TOTP hit seemingly used one. Korg M1 was the early 90's I think.

Mostly use a MOXF6 these days which is bonkers having bought extra voice banks. Can even play Baba O'Riley with it just as a couple of split voices. It's got Prophet voices and Moogs so more than enough for me those originals though must cost some bucks now that clip you posted sounds great.
Yeah, I've still got my SY-85, which I absolutely loved but my daughter has called dibs on it now that I have the Montage.
 

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The DX7 swept aside all before it. It was much bigger than the Prophet 5. Everybody who was anybody had one n the 80s/90s. It did revolutonise the sound of music back then.
I know, but I would maintain that it was still a different dynamic. If you read/listen to interviews with keyboard players who were active in the 70s and 80s, they talk about how the Prophet 5 really changed things, just simply what you can do with keyboards. The polyphony in particular was a huge step forward, it opened doors that had remained firmly closed before that.

I know the DX7 took the synth market by storm and that it is the 80s synth, but it's a different kind of impact, less revolutionary. In my opinion, anyway.
The Yamaha Montage has both AWM2 and FM-X sound engines that you can use separately or together in loads of ways along with filters, DSPs etc. and over 10000 arpeggios. It would take me the rest of the evening to fully explain what it can do, I'm not familiar with it all...yet.

Here is my setup. I use Mixcraft 9 Pro and PreSonus Studio One DAWs.

Yeah, I know the model. Or rather, I know the Motifs that preceded it, and I know the idea. I have an S90 myself, which is the non-workstation version of the original Motif-8. I'm personally not a fan of all-in-one synths (I like simpler, more specialized stuff with fewer menus), but I agree, a synth like that is basically all you'll ever need and more.

A friend of mine had an SY-99. Also a great synth, and extremely versatile with its FM component: you could apply it to any waveform in its memory. I suppose the Montage can do that as well.
 

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I know, but I would maintain that it was still a different dynamic. If you read/listen to interviews with keyboard players who were active in the 70s and 80s, they talk about how the Prophet 5 really changed things, just simply what you can do with keyboards. The polyphony in particular was a huge step forward, it opened doors that had remained firmly closed before that.

I know the DX7 took the synth market by storm and that it is the 80s synth, but it's a different kind of impact, less revolutionary. In my opinion, anyway.

Yeah, I know the model. Or rather, I know the Motifs that preceded it, and I know the idea. I have an S90 myself, which is the non-workstation version of the original Motif-8. I'm personally not a fan of all-in-one synths (I like simpler, more specialized stuff with fewer menus), but I agree, a synth like that is basically all you'll ever need and more.

A friend of mine had an SY-99. Also a great synth, and extremely versatile with its FM component: you could apply it to any waveform in its memory. I suppose the Montage can do that as well.
Nice, yeah I always wanted an SY-99 but I'd already bought the SY-85 at the time. I'd had a DX11, V50, Casio CZ5000 and other stuff before that. The Montage is the top of the range and yeah does pretty much everything I need. It's pretty open-ended and I like how they just upgrade the software to add new features rather than releasing new models all the time.

I'd never heard of the S90 before but I see it is an AWM2 synth as well.
 

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Always wanted to own a Tempest drum machine, but can't justify the pricepoint. They sound gnarly though.

The man invented MIDI, so he's more or less the godfather of electronic music. A seismic contribution. RIP
 

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Shame I missed this thread until now. At one point in time, I had an old PPG Wave, a Sequential Circuits Pro-One, a Roland Jupiter 8 and few other tidbits like an Oberheim SEM. Nothing like my friend's collection back then. My favorite was the Octave CAT, such amazing sounds.
 

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Shame I missed this thread until now. At one point in time, I had an old PPG Wave, a Sequential Circuits Pro-One, a Roland Jupiter 8 and few other tidbits like an Oberheim SEM. Nothing like my friend's collection back then. My favorite was the Octave CAT, such amazing sounds.
:eek::eek: WTF!!

 

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Shame I missed this thread until now. At one point in time, I had an old PPG Wave, a Sequential Circuits Pro-One, a Roland Jupiter 8 and few other tidbits like an Oberheim SEM. Nothing like my friend's collection back then. My favorite was the Octave CAT, such amazing sounds.
Dude, that's awesome. I'm actually most curious about the PPG Wave. I know some bands that had it (like early Marillion), but no idea which of their sounds it produced.
Nice, yeah I always wanted an SY-99 but I'd already bought the SY-85 at the time. I'd had a DX11, V50, Casio CZ5000 and other stuff before that. The Montage is the top of the range and yeah does pretty much everything I need. It's pretty open-ended and I like how they just upgrade the software to add new features rather than releasing new models all the time.

I'd never heard of the S90 before but I see it is an AWM2 synth as well.
Let's continue this conversation here. :) (also @The Cat)

Yeah, it's nothing all too special, but I like the sound Yamaha had here. Pretty nice piano, Rhodes, and Wurli and some fat synth sounds as well.

I also have an Alesis Ion, which is a very versatile virtual analog synth that's surprisingly deep and has a lot of great filter imitations - so I don't need to use the S90 for stuff like that.

Oh, the S90 had a great hammer action keyboard as well. (The Ion's keyboard is unfortunately a little poor.)

Edit: just realized we talked about the PPG (and its new Behringer clone) on the previous page, and I listed my setup there as well. :D
 

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Posting my setup here as well. The PC was custom built last December specifically for music production. It has 5TB internal NVMe drives, 3TB internal SSDs, 128GB RAM and USB-C/Thunderbolt 4 for future-proofing. I use Mixcraft 9 Pro and more recently PreSonus Studio One.



Think I'm going to treat myself to ASM's Hydrasynth at the end of the year, The ribbon controller on it is insane. I also have a few virtual synths but wonder if they're exact reproductions of the hardware versions?