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Adnan

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But we are not expecting one player to transform the side, we are expecting a good coach to transform this side and player like De Jong will/may play big role in that.
Exactly.

Also we wouldn't be in the race for FdJ if it wasn't for Erik ten Hag, and the opportunity to sign a player of de Jong's immense quality in a position where we're poor, is a opportunity that must be grasped.

I also fully expect us to sign more players after de Jong.
 

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FDJ this summer, striker next summer then? Can hardly believe the club's transfer strategy centred around possibly getting a striker before a midfielder. Obvious to anyone where the greater weakness is.
I don't know what's going on with Nunez but he's got to have something special to get both Pool and Utd interested at such a huge transfer fee. Benfica just went into the saga straight up with a 100M demand for him even when Pool were not strongly linked - unusual with Portuguese clubs.

Maybe he really is the next big thing.

The only thing I could pick out from the article that slightly concerned me, is the bit below. It seems Joel Glazer wants deals to be done later in the window due to there being a 'different kind of price' as Whitwell puts it.


Laurie Whitwell: "For Ten Hag’s first summer however, it would be prudent to deliver a marquee player in a key area of the pitch, even at a significant cost. There is a different kind of price for doing deals later, in terms of manager satisfaction and pre-season preparations. Joel Glazer’s role in United’s decision-making is well-known and remains the case."

https://theathletic.com/#_=_
Yeah it's very concerning if the owners are involved in the day to day instead of leaving it to Arnold / Murtough. I really really hope their input is limited to the amount we can realistically spend this window rather than how it's actually spent.

Maybe they don't trust the new regime - the value of their asset is dropping and they have no idea what they can do to fix it.
 

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You need to grow up. I'm pretty much the same age because after 34 you might as well stop counting, and I play video games. Should I grow up? I don't work long hours at the business factory, literally ripping my remaining hair out because computer not worky worky, dealing with team members coming to me in tears because Mr Feckface - Director of Fecking Shit Up and External Comms - is fecking their shit up, only to come home to a house full of kids who need me to do everything except wipe their arses and sit watching some crap film about a dumb fish who lost his dad. Boo fecking hoo, feck that shit.

Once they've been herded one by one for their baths or showers and had their school clothes washed and pressed, finally going to sleep after spending the hours of 5:30-9:00 making more noise than Cina's mum during the last spin cycle of a 1600rpm cotton wash, I'm not going to sit and do something boring as shit like read an Avon brochure or find out how many capybaras are left in the wild. I'm pretending to be a fecking Thargoid destroying motherfecking Space Pirate, or building a dynasty made up entirely of inbred monks in CK3 before I invade France (because FECK. THEM.) or flying a tank through a helicopter just in time for Battlefield to lose its shitty connection again.
Beautiful post :drool:
 

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I don't know what's going on with Nunez but he's got to have something special to get both Pool and Utd interested at such a huge transfer fee. Benfica just went into the saga straight up with a 100M demand for him even when Pool were not strongly linked - unusual with Portuguese clubs.

Maybe he really is the next big thing.



Yeah it's very concerning if the owners are involved in the day to day instead of leaving it to Arnold / Murtough. I really really hope their input is limited to the amount we can realistically spend this window rather than how it's actually spent.

Maybe they don't trust the new regime - the value of their asset is dropping and they have no idea what they can do to fix it.
Or maybe they need a new excuse now that they can't blame everything on Woodward. I doubt that Joel has any idea of how 'soccer' transfers work
 

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I don't know what's going on with Nunez but he's got to have something special to get both Pool and Utd interested at such a huge transfer fee. Benfica just went into the saga straight up with a 100M demand for him even when Pool were not strongly linked - unusual with Portuguese clubs.

Maybe he really is the next big thing.



Yeah it's very concerning if the owners are involved in the day to day instead of leaving it to Arnold / Murtough. I really really hope their input is limited to the amount we can realistically spend this window rather than how it's actually spent.

Maybe they don't trust the new regime - the value of their asset is dropping and they have no idea what they can do to fix it.
It remains to be seen how things develop but I can't see us moving swiftly in the market if Joel Glazer maintains a similar stance. Getting deals done quickly and efficiently isn't really difficult for football men, if there isn't interference from the owners.
 

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Wonder if Whitwells article source is the same agent that spoke to Romero? That's been the best update in the last few days.
 

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It remains to be seen how things develop but I can't see us moving swiftly in the market if Joel Glazer maintains a similar stance. Getting deals done quickly and efficiently isn't really difficult for football men, if there isn't interference from the owners.
Im unsure, didn't we get deals done in good time under LVG?
 

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Am I the only person that worries we don't seem to have learnt much here?

It seems like we're once again trying to buy someone for a large fee who we expect to transform a dysfunctional side.

Realistically, I think we'll need four players before we see consistently good results. A GK, two CMs and a CF. If we can't afford to buy FDJ plus 2/3 more, we should probably look elsewhere to get max expected value
I don't think it's going to be de Jong and that's it for CM, we'll likely bring in another albeit someone further down the list as he'll have to be a cheaper alternative.

I think the fact that it's one big fee signing and that it, suggests signing Anthony or Nkunku is now out the window.

We'll likely get de Jong, Timber, cheap DM and that's our business done.
 

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Im unsure, didn't we get deals done in good time under LVG?
There were many reports even under Woody when our transfer negotiations took time because of the timezone differences between Europe and the US.
 

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Im unsure, didn't we get deals done in good time under LVG?
The bigger deals seem take time and Di Maria was signed with days remaining in the transfer window. So it does seem like what's being reported about Joel Glazer wanting to sign players later in the window, may actually be true due to the potential price difference.

Maguire and Wan Bissaka were signed late in the window as well. We also completed the Bruno deal late in January, January 30th to be precise. It seems like a strategy that hasn't been the most effective.
 

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You need to grow up. I'm pretty much the same age because after 34 you might as well stop counting, and I play video games. Should I grow up? I don't work long hours at the business factory, literally ripping my remaining hair out because computer not worky worky, dealing with team members coming to me in tears because Mr Feckface - Director of Fecking Shit Up and External Comms - is fecking their shit up, only to come home to a house full of kids who need me to do everything except wipe their arses and sit watching some crap film about a dumb fish who lost his dad. Boo fecking hoo, feck that shit.

Once they've been herded one by one for their baths or showers and had their school clothes washed and pressed, finally going to sleep after spending the hours of 5:30-9:00 making more noise than Cina's mum during the last spin cycle of a 1600rpm cotton wash, I'm not going to sit and do something boring as shit like read an Avon brochure or find out how many capybaras are left in the wild. I'm pretending to be a fecking Thargoid destroying motherfecking Space Pirate, or building a dynasty made up entirely of inbred monks in CK3 before I invade France (because FECK. THEM.) or flying a tank through a helicopter just in time for Battlefield to lose its shitty connection again.
Highlight of the thread, ladies and gentlemen. I believe he just turned off his PC or laptop and left.

Oh and you literally described my life at the moment. :D
 

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There were many reports even under Woody when our transfer negotiations took time because of the timezone differences between Europe and the US.
Oh yeah :lol:
But surely things have changed materially since then. I am not denying Joel Glazer wants to ratify deals but we have apparently overhauled the process. There must be some better autonomy in the process to enable deals to be done earlier.

I can see Joel Glazer wanting to four eyes a Darwin deal but not say, Timbers?
 

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Am I the only person that worries we don't seem to have learnt much here?

It seems like we're once again trying to buy someone for a large fee who we expect to transform a dysfunctional side.

Realistically, I think we'll need four players before we see consistently good results. A GK, two CMs and a CF. If we can't afford to buy FDJ plus 2/3 more, we should probably look elsewhere to get max expected value
I think that weight is firmly on the shoulders of the new CEO and manager.
 

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Exactly.

Also we wouldn't be in the race for FdJ if it wasn't for Erik ten Hag, and the opportunity to sign a player of de Jong's immense quality in a position where we're poor, is a opportunity that must be grasped.

I also fully expect us to sign more players after de Jong.
Exactly, also the only reason we have chance is because of ETH, not because we aren't big club but we usually hire managers who can't use players like him.
 

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You need to grow up. I'm pretty much the same age because after 34 you might as well stop counting, and I play video games. Should I grow up? I don't work long hours at the business factory, literally ripping my remaining hair out because computer not worky worky, dealing with team members coming to me in tears because Mr Feckface - Director of Fecking Shit Up and External Comms - is fecking their shit up, only to come home to a house full of kids who need me to do everything except wipe their arses and sit watching some crap film about a dumb fish who lost his dad. Boo fecking hoo, feck that shit.

Once they've been herded one by one for their baths or showers and had their school clothes washed and pressed, finally going to sleep after spending the hours of 5:30-9:00 making more noise than Cina's mum during the last spin cycle of a 1600rpm cotton wash, I'm not going to sit and do something boring as shit like read an Avon brochure or find out how many capybaras are left in the wild. I'm pretending to be a fecking Thargoid destroying motherfecking Space Pirate, or building a dynasty made up entirely of inbred monks in CK3 before I invade France (because FECK. THEM.) or flying a tank through a helicopter just in time for Battlefield to lose its shitty connection again.
This is brilliant. :lol:
 

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The only thing I could pick out from the article that slightly concerned me, is the bit below. It seems Joel Glazer wants deals to be done later in the window due to there being a 'different kind of price' as Whitwell puts it.


Laurie Whitwell: "For Ten Hag’s first summer however, it would be prudent to deliver a marquee player in a key area of the pitch, even at a significant cost. There is a different kind of price for doing deals later, in terms of manager satisfaction and pre-season preparations. Joel Glazer’s role in United’s decision-making is well-known and remains the case."

https://theathletic.com/#_=_
No I don’t think that is what is being suggested.

It’s simply saying that by leaving it late can hinder the preparations.
 

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The bigger deals seem take time and Di Maria was signed with days remaining in the transfer window. So it does seem like what's being reported about Joel Glazer wanting to sign players later in the window, may actually be true due to the potential price difference.

Maguire and Wan Bissaka were signed late in the window as well. We also completed the Bruno deal late in January, January 30th to be precise. It seems like a strategy that hasn't been the most effective.
We've had different situations in different summers. In LVG's first summer we got Herrera and Shaw early, and were then probably affected by LVG's late arrival, his desire to examine the squad and our terrible start to the season - and we ended up getting FOUR players very late on, including Di Maria. In his second summer we got several players rather early and only Martial late. Mourinho got most of his signings early. Also, AWB was signed in early July, it was hardly late.
 

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Exactly, also the only reason we have chance is because of ETH, not because we aren't big club but we usually hire managers who can't use players like him.
If the opportunity to sign a player of Frenkie de Jong's quality is on the table, then I believe we should always make a concerted effort to sign such a player.

And we also now have a head coach who knows the player well, and the player has proven in the past that he enhances the method of play which ten Hag implements. And the method of play has been on display in the champions league.

Signing a player of this profile actually fits with the way the coach wants to play and I can't fathom why anyone would be against signing him considering our midfield is a weak point. FdJ has the potential to be among the very best midfielders in the game.
 

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No I don’t think that is what is being suggested.

It’s simply saying that by leaving it late can hinder the preparations.
It definitely hinders preparation and tbh with you we have form for that. And it's been reported several times about deals being slow due to going back and forth with Florida.
 

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Am I the only person that worries we don't seem to have learnt much here?

It seems like we're once again trying to buy someone for a large fee who we expect to transform a dysfunctional side.

Realistically, I think we'll need four players before we see consistently good results. A GK, two CMs and a CF. If we can't afford to buy FDJ plus 2/3 more, we should probably look elsewhere to get max expected value
He is probably the player i would sign to fix that. If we had signed striker without investing in midfield then i would worry. This is why i didnt mind United trying to convince him from the start
 

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If we get Frenkie in early I would be happy and in no rush to get anyone else in immediately.
Erik stated numerous times in his only presser that he needs to analyse the squad.
 

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The bigger deals seem take time and Di Maria was signed with days remaining in the transfer window. So it does seem like what's being reported about Joel Glazer wanting to sign players later in the window, may actually be true due to the potential price difference.

Maguire and Wan Bissaka were signed late in the window as well. We also completed the Bruno deal late in January, January 30th to be precise. It seems like a strategy that hasn't been the most effective.
This may be a little overly cynical, but I wonder if fan engagement numbers, or whatever they're calling it, played a part in that strategy. More traffic when all the news outlets are all over the run up to deadlines day and all that.

We seem to have been paying the quoted price in the end anyway.
 

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The only thing I could pick out from the article that slightly concerned me, is the bit below. It seems Joel Glazer wants deals to be done later in the window due to there being a 'different kind of price' as Whitwell puts it.


Laurie Whitwell: "For Ten Hag’s first summer however, it would be prudent to deliver a marquee player in a key area of the pitch, even at a significant cost. There is a different kind of price for doing deals later, in terms of manager satisfaction and pre-season preparations. Joel Glazer’s role in United’s decision-making is well-known and remains the case."

https://theathletic.com/#_=_
This is the part I was talking about. There were some rumours from less reliable source that we dont have budget for both Nunez and FDJ. I could be completely wrong but this mention by Laurie made me think that Joel definitely had some influence on not getting either deal over the line.

Mind you we may go and buy some other striker for huge amount of money and my assumption could be completely wrong. But i believe we will go for a young upcoming striker for this season if budget constraints are true
 

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This transfer window will be a true litmus test for Arnold and Murtough. We will see if they can walk the walk.
 

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A cohort of red Cafe musical specialists must be set working on a chant that is actually good so we don't end up with the disaster that was the ten hag chant!
 

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Not long now, sooner the damn internationals end the sooner this will all be wrapped up.
and the fixtures are out next week so we can see how soon we'll be out of the running for the title!
 
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