It'll be funny if their masterplan is Super League but when it finally happens nobody gives a shit about them anymore because their team is average to the point where they make less from Super League than La Liga.
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I believe they will still want to sell him. Cashflow is a major issue for Barcelona, which is why they have needed to defer wages so many times over the past years. They may get this lump sum in, but this cash is not much good if they do not stop their wages from inflating again. With the net transfers from January and this summer, those wages will have grown about €45m for next season with more signings possibly to come. With the net transfer fees of about €160m for those players also to be paid, the cash from those levers will run out relatively quickly unless they start bringing more in.
They cannot sustain a growing wage bill on top of reducing their cashflow income into the future.
Yeah, the smartest man in Spain. He's playing 7d chess.
There is no reason to think Lewandowski can't play at a high level till 37 just like C. Ronaldo. 50m euros seems reasonable to me.
Yeah but Ronaldo since he left Real Madrid at 33 made the CL quarter finals once and the Ro16 3 times. All players inevitably hit a rapid decline at those ages. They finished 2nd last year without him but they are more than a 34 year old Lewandowski and some squad players away from reaching the pinnacle of European football.
In my opinion, Barcelona has a very strong team this year and Xavi is an excellent coach. They created a lot of chance last season but lack a top striker to finish the chance.
It’s 50 plus 20 to the agent over the course of his contract and that doesn’t include wages which is what? An extra 40m? For a 34 year old?
It’s insane. What happens if this doesn’t work out? It’s all in on this transfer window and it’s fecking bonkers.
Xavi badly faded as the season went on last year so let’s say he fails. Can they even afford a moderate rebuild after this? Remember they have to constantly be successful now. Not a league title here or there but constant winners and deep runs In the CL.
Any sort of stumble has a devastating domino affect from here on in.
Since Xavi took over they actually created less xG in the league than Villareal but scored more goals than their xG (implying they were in fact, clinical). They got 52 xPts in 27 games... On pace for 73 points. Pretty much exactly the same as their pace before Xavi got hired that season (slightly less actually). Not like he did any well in the cups either.
Xavi might be a good coach. The same way Ole "may" have been a good coach when we hired him, or Lampard at Chelsea. Or Arteta "might" be a good coach. There is nothing backing any of them up to actually be one, apart from blind hope that you can only tell over time. Xavi's time in charge has been incredibly "meh" so far, but it's only been a little over half a season so fair enough. I am definitely not holding my breath on him being anything more than Ole was at United though, which was fine for a couple of seasons but not enough to actually close the gap to the top teams but enough to keep people happy for a bit (with the big difference that Barca need success financially, and are a bit fecked without it).
- I have already told you that a large part of the levers are going to pay debt.
- Barcelona in 2 years will need a complete revamp? Barcelona has a lot of young and many are important already.
- Barcelona cannot register players by the Spanish FFP, if it were established in the premier league no team could register players either.
The big picture is this:
- Piqué, Alba, Busquets, FDJ and Ter Stegen = €110M gross/year. These are the only players who are not on the pay scale yet.
- Lewa €18M
- Araujo, Pedri, Gavi, Ansu, Depay, Raphinha, Pjanic, Auba, Kessie, Christensen, Dembele, F. Torres. = €108M gross/year. These players are on the salary scale of 8-10M gross + variables. Variables will range between €1-3M and include winning titles.
Umtiti 6M, Neto 6M, S. Roberto 4M, Dest 5M, Nico 3M, R. Puig 3M, Braithwate 3M, Mingueza 3M, P. Torre 2M.
Total= 110+18+108+35= 271M
Right now, we'll see the players who are yet to come and go.When the five who earn the most are no longer there, Barcelona will have quite a salary margin.
If this year Barcelona's wage bill was 560 million, it is due to deferred salaries and the high amortizations they had from previous season.
What is the obvious to you? You could give arguments and figures?
It is a matter of opinion but I actually agreed with the practice of the current Barcelona board. For their business model they need to be competitive all the time to maintain their attractiveness and their branding. They need some breathing room in short term. Their income pre-covid was at 1 billion so they will be fine service their debt.
A good read on how Lewandowski can help barcelona.
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/p...202223-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics
A good read on how Lewandowski can help barcelona.
https://totalfootballanalysis.com/p...202223-scout-report-tactical-analysis-tactics
What was their profit pre covid?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/282736/revenue-of-fc-barcelona/
by comparison
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271665/revenue-of-manchester-united/
However their expense was running out of control during Rosell/Bartomeu's management.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/772596/evolution-from-the-expenses-of-the-fc-barcelona/
Paying 70m plus crazy wages for a player that will have a resale value of close to 0 when his contract is up, when you're in dire financial straits, isn't the greatest idea ever.
Most players are running down their contract at the top club anyway so forget about resale value.
This is more what I’m talking about
https://www.statista.com/statistics/765267/evolution-from-the-income-of-the-fc-barcelona/
The money they actually make in profit isn’t that much. In Spain they include players sold in their accounts and Barca produce their own merchandise which has their profit recorded for the billion income nonsense but not the cost. There’s a reason Utd sell that off to Nike etc for a higher fee and just a percentage of the profits. It doesn’t really pay to produce that themselves.
Their highest income avenue is tv rights and merchandise. That sat on 85 percent from your link. So much of that being sold off is money they dont have anymore to turn a profit when they make so little anyway.
Their board needs to find a way to increase revenue and decrease expense, just like every other club, and especially after they activated the lever. No question about it. With the difficulty they are under right now they need the breathing room, and extreme austerity measures is probably not a solution. A further drop in the quality of their team is going to hurt even more for their business model. That is just my opinion.
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This is your list of 30 or above.
- Pique
- Busquets
- Alba
- Lewandowski
- Aubameyang
- Pjanić
- Neto
- Braithwaite
- Neto
- Sergi Roberto
For the life of me I can't find the thread/article/comparison from last year, but this isn't true at all. Some clubs fecked of course (Everton), but most of them pretty much fine and PL clubs just don't spend anywhere near as much on wages to turnover as Spanish clubs do and have healthier sources of income (which also points to them not being hit too hard during COVID, or not as bad as other leagues).
I get your point generally, but i still don't see spending 200k per week on Christensen as healthy, or 70m and 240k per week on a rotation winger as healthy. The new salary budget can't be "nobody goes above 350k but everybody can have 200k". That's still shit. We'll see what happens with the other players, I agree that the biggest problems are the older existing contracts but they'll be around for a few years yet. Once those are sorted, it remains to be seen what happens. For example... Fati is 19 but on 270k per week basically. Is he just not going to get salary increases then? There are 13 players who are above 10m per year, and each of the new signings are part of that group despite 2 of them being squad players. And those were signed on the basis of selling future revenues, without being able to sell players they want to sell... Its still not healthy.
Absolute morons selling off future revenue to finance buying players. So desperate for new toys that they have to activate these levers just to buy new players rather than being frugal and accepting that they might not compete at the very top for a few years.
Do they think that signing Lewandowski is going to make them successful over the next five years? What happens next summer when their fans demand more signings? More levers?
Idiots.
Do they think that signing Lewandowski is going to make them successful over the next five years? What happens next summer when their fans demand more signings? More levers?
Idiots.
I find their approach just crazy. Surely selling high earners and building a team of youngsters & reasonable freebies for a couple of years would have been better for the sustainability of the club? Throwing money around, raised by selling of economic values of the club seems terribly short sighted
Wow. I know i shouldn't be surprised anymore but that cant be right?
It’s like your parents selling off their mortgage free home to an investment company for a little cash and the promise they can live there till they die. Shady business!
and your point is based on...???
you say that it is a great relationship because adidas pays them.
how much would adidas pay if they weren't shareholders? my guess is the same, based on what adidas and nike pay other teams.
so, what is the benefit of adidas buying bayern shares regarding the marketing deal they have? because they would pay the same with or without shares.
so my questions remains, why is that relationship beneficial for bayern if they could get the same money????
the most part of the "levers" has gone to pay debt.
big earners don't want to leave and makes it difficult. do you think barça didn't try to sell them? anyway, aside from messi we got rid of coutinho and griezmann. dembele wages were dramatically reduced too.
half of the starter squad is <23, a few of them even <20.
only a few old players are not in the new wage scale.
barça has sold 5% of the current total revenues (expected to be less in the future).
"just to buy new players"
reality is that 80% of the raised money has gone to pay debt.
barça has sold 5% of their current revenues, that number will be lower in the future.
the rest is an investment in the team to be able to compete and generate more income than if we were a middle table team. missing champions league has more impact in the revenue of the year that the money we "lose" with the levers.
it is of course debatable if 45M makes sense for lewa, or 50 for raphinha (not in my mind), but reality is far from your picture.
that example makes 0 sense.
a better example is that you have a mortgage to pay and you sell 5% of the revenues from your salary for the next 10 years to pay off for the mortgage (or a big chunk of it) and spend a small part of the received money to invest in a business.
i honestly don't know where you think loans/mortgage payments come from.
You bought Rafa for 60m despite having Dembele. For s club that’s up to its eyes in debt, your transfer strategy is all over the place
And while I would never cast doubt upon the class of Lewandowski and even despite the obvious likelihood that he might hit a wall quite soon, he’s not even that good for marketing. It’s not like he has a similar pull like Ronaldo or Messi or even guys like Ibra. So him performing on roughly the same level as he did in the last years, which is all but given, is basically necessary for this deal to even have a chance at working out financially.
He is not just very expensive. In my opinion it’s nearly impossible for him to justify the costs.
The obvious answer is that Bayern have stable, extremely long term sponsors, they don't need to chase anyone, they have them in-house and they pay them fair value. Bayern is a good billboard for these companies and something that is important for these companies in particular is that they are all based in Bavaria and are kind of proud of it. Everyone is getting what they want.
And has someone else suggested, change your tone.
what tone? just plain facts and questions. can you point where im being disrespectful in the message you are responding?
barça or madrid don't need to chase anyone.
barça has been with nike since 1998 and counting, until 2026 minimum if im not mistaken. almost 3 decades for now. do you consider it short term? unstable?
besides, nike pays more money to barça than adidas to bayern.
I don't care about Barca and Madrid, the point had nothing to do with either of them. I made a point about Bayern and their relation with Allianz, Adidas and Audi.
And I'm talking about your multiple question marks, in writing it's rude.
The 25% of la liga tv revenue they've sold makes up 5% of their total revenue.
I have no proof whatsoever obviously, just a gut feeling, but I am more or less certain there is no way FC Barcelona will cease to exist, get relegated or whatever happens in that situation no matter how dire the straits they find themselves in. Anywhere else maybe, but in Spain? Ain't gonna happen unfair as that might seem.
If push comes to shove there'll be a 2008 style bailout and that might be the reason IMO for this behavior that does seem somewhat reckless. A case of "if it works great, and if it doesn't we're too big to fail anyway".
If push comes to shove there'll be a 2008 style bailout and that might be the reason IMO for this behavior that does seem somewhat reckless. A case of "if it works great, and if it doesn't we're too big to fail anyway".
I don't think there is any hate. It's just the way the Lewandowski transfer was handled from Barca, Lewandowski and his Zahavi. Laporta publicly lauding Lewandowski for his shenanigans and antics didn't make you many friends here.
Lewandowski claiming Bayern didn't respect him and the behavior of the club broke something in him, looks just like a farce considering how Barcelona treats club legends like Piqué or is trying to force FdJ to wave on his deferred payments.
May I remind you we won the treble in 2013 beating you home (4:0) and away (3:0) before Pep.
Pep played nice football bit trophy wise his time wasn't anything special.
Flick actually delivered what he couldn't.
Having just read the BBC article about Barcelona and their spending this summer, laporta is just as reckless as his predecessors. Selling 25% of Barcelona tv revenue for next 25 years for a paltry €500mil. Is a very bad deal for the club.
Sellimg 49.9% of their merchandising operation will be just as bad.
Reckless stupid short sighted deals.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62258788
Will Barcelona president Joan Laporta's summer spending gamble pay off?
Sellimg 49.9% of their merchandising operation will be just as bad.
Reckless stupid short sighted deals.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62258788
Will Barcelona president Joan Laporta's summer spending gamble pay off?
Their TV revenue was 282m, out of a total of 631m.
25% of their TV revenue is about 70m.. about 11% of total revenue? or is “TV revenue” not the same as “la liga revenue”?
(Interesting their operating costs in the 2020/21 accounts were 1,136m, or 180% of their operating income, but as they say, “it was down to Covid”. But those operating costs were more than their total operating income ever as far as I can see)
Shame he didn’t teach the then CL holders how to play CL winning football
200m Euro more every year only from the stadium?
Can you elaborate on these figures?
They're getting a queso room
Where do you get this information from? Bayern isn't a public listed company. So they only can sell their shares back to the club or they need the approval of Bayern to sell them to a 3rd party.
Bayern still has 3/4 majority and none of the 3 shareholders do have a blocking minority. So I don't see any loss of control here.
Probably it makes a hell of a difference that you speak native Spanish while the vast majority of English and German tourists don't speak much Spanish.
Now I read something about them wanting to get Iñigo Martinez ffs! I mean I think that would be a good signing for them, even if it came this late, but this is getting a bit ridiculous. 