I know, I’m exaggerating but seriously how much money is enough? Have you seen the lifestyle he already lives on his reduced wages? It starts coming across as greed when most fans will be struggling to heat their house this winter
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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I think Frenkie is the big one. Memphis might make a small dent if he leaves but not enough.
Although I am surprised one player is stopping Barca from registering all their new players, surely they can afford to register a couple by now?
They will register whoever they want to register. It is third year in a row where people are getting super excited about Barcelona possibly not being able to register their players if they don’t meet certain conditions and they end up registering every single one anyway.
It's more complicated because of the salary cap. If you're not in line with it then they don't let you register new players but I think existing players are ok, in that I think they won't force you to sell existing players to meet the cap. Somebody more knowledgeable will probably correct me on that part.
And how does it come across when looking at Barca?
I said quite a while ago that this has deadline day deal written all over it.
The only issue is his owed wages and there is a little negotiation triangle going on with each party waiting for another to blink first.
Options
- Barca pay what he is owed by them (Or an agreed settlement)
- Man Utd pay what he owed by Barca (Or an agreed settlement)
- Barca and Utd split what he is owed (Or agreed settlement)
Come transfer deadline day my feeling is that a deal will be struck as pressure builds. Probably something like Utd paying 6 Mill, Barca paying 6 Mill and De Jong settling for 12 Mill instead of 17.
I really can't see it not happening though. Barca have no choice but to make him leave, Ten Haag loves him and sees him as the most important piece of his project and he won't want to spend a season on the bench or unregistered at a club that doesn't want him there.
The only issue is his owed wages and there is a little negotiation triangle going on with each party waiting for another to blink first.
Options
- Barca pay what he is owed by them (Or an agreed settlement)
- Man Utd pay what he owed by Barca (Or an agreed settlement)
- Barca and Utd split what he is owed (Or agreed settlement)
Come transfer deadline day my feeling is that a deal will be struck as pressure builds. Probably something like Utd paying 6 Mill, Barca paying 6 Mill and De Jong settling for 12 Mill instead of 17.
I really can't see it not happening though. Barca have no choice but to make him leave, Ten Haag loves him and sees him as the most important piece of his project and he won't want to spend a season on the bench or unregistered at a club that doesn't want him there.
No, it is principled, not greedy. Let’s stop justifying clubs fecking over players because the players make a lot of money. If the players are wealthy, their clubs are even wealthier. Barca get no sympathy, nothing they did in this window suggests they’re actually short on money.
So you wouldn't want to get paid what you were initially offered, agreed to and had been written into your contract because... greed?
Appreciate what you're saying in the latter part, but personally I can't look beyond how Barca are acting and treating a player. They're signing players left, right and centre and refusing to pay others what was promised - there is just no way Frenkie should be coming out of this looking greedy in anyone's eyes despite what he will earn
They did give up Messi to be fair.
Billions of people have been living in poverty for centuries, has got nothing to do with Frenkie. If you want to blame someone, then blame Put-ler. FDJ has each and every right to demand what he is owed, as Barca have enough money to pay for new players. You settle the debts first before you buy something new.
There's no way it'll drag on until deadline day. La Liga starts Aug 12 and Barca will have to field Lewa, Raphinha etc. or the fans will riot.
My belief is that FdJ truly only cares about the deferred wages from the last two years and not the total value of his contract going forward. He made a sacrifice for the sake of the club and he's getting rewarded by being backstabbed. I agree that they will find a middle ground somewhere.
FdJ just has to sit tight until it gets close to the La Liga start date and the pressure on Barca will mount.
Can you imagine if its true? Baldie, Arnold and Murtough would end up looking silly
Have you seen Barcelona's team without the new signings? How many more signings is enough? It starts coming across as greed when most clubs are struggling with getting a quality RW for 10 years.
Honestly...It's not like FDJ is washed. Dude is 25 and one of the best MF in the world. The fact that so few other teams are in on this kid makes me think either:
- He will only come here due to ETH relationship (because lets face it, thats all we have to offer right now)
- This is all a massive smokescreen by Barca to get him to take a lower salary and they were never going to sell
I think its truly 50-50. But either are the only logical situations. If a 25 year old world class MF was up for sale by a desperate team in financial chaos...I have trouble not seeing at least 5-10 clubs make serious bids for him. Chelsea seems to be the desperation link to everything these days. And if he cares so much about weather and Champions League then why would this even still be a thing with just us?
When something doesn't make any sense, then there's more than meets the eye…
- He will only come here due to ETH relationship (because lets face it, thats all we have to offer right now)
- This is all a massive smokescreen by Barca to get him to take a lower salary and they were never going to sell
I think its truly 50-50. But either are the only logical situations. If a 25 year old world class MF was up for sale by a desperate team in financial chaos...I have trouble not seeing at least 5-10 clubs make serious bids for him. Chelsea seems to be the desperation link to everything these days. And if he cares so much about weather and Champions League then why would this even still be a thing with just us?
When something doesn't make any sense, then there's more than meets the eye…
No, if they de-register him then he gets to sit alongside Lewa and Raphinha as unregistered players.
It's not a player quota or a registered players wages quota, it's an FFP-like mechanism whereby if the wages on your accounts are unsustainable you are no longer allowed to register players.
Essentially, La Liga acting as a good samaritan trying to keep a junkie off his drugs, but Barca and @FCBarcelona are having none of it.
What they can do is only play Lewa and Raphinha in the CL. Sounds like an expensive luxury, but definitely an option.
I have been talking to Barca fans and they really believe the club are the victims in all this.
This might have already been asked, but could we not just sort out this wages issue by taking him on loan for a year with the option to buy and paying his wages? Then we could decrease the add-ons fee due to the large wages or something like that?
Not a single journalist even remotely connected to Chelsea has uttered a word about De Jong to Chelsea.
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He doesn’t want to come.
If I were FdJ I would sure as feck pull a Shameless Umtiti.
He can just sit back and collect €88m over 4 years. Surely we are offering 2/3 of that at most?
The more this drags on the more I'd want to give Barca two fingers and the less I would want to join a club that is so clueless and up shit creek that it just sits around waiting for it all to unravel one way or the other.
He can just sit back and collect €88m over 4 years. Surely we are offering 2/3 of that at most?
The more this drags on the more I'd want to give Barca two fingers and the less I would want to join a club that is so clueless and up shit creek that it just sits around waiting for it all to unravel one way or the other.
It's embarrassing to want a player who doesn't want to come here.
Is Dermot Corrigan trustworthy?
How do you know he doesn't want to come here? He never said that.
That is what I meant, thank you. I just felt if I had tried to break it down in the way you just broke it down, it wouldn't have had the same desired effect.
But if any "newbie" was offended by my comment, I apologise. We've all been wet behind the ears at some point.
Move the feck on I give up, it’s becoming too much. For the sake of the team
So it would seem that it's not just about the money then. I find it strange that the club would go all-in on De Jong like this without assurances. If he turns us down or goes elsewhere we would look like mugs.
Its over. Time to move on.
To be fair if I were in his shoes I'd insist on the 17m too, I think the vast majority of people would agree with the player on this battle.
People who rip into sportspeople on high wages need to remember that they are the peak of their business, and the peak people in almost every other notable business earn considerably more than they do. Farming, retail, banking, I.T., accounting, law, engineering, healthcare, film (both directing and acting), even art (Damien Hirst made a cool $198m from an auction in 2008). The people who earn the top in the world of football are still lagging behind. I'm not saying it's right, but I am saying that footballers probably aren't the ones we should be worrying about. They're small time. If you really want to rage against the machine, stop buying stuff made by Nestle, shipped by Amazon. Easier said than done :S
Except Messi
If the Athletic are reporting it from their own sources that pretty much confirms it.
3 months of the club embarrassing itself and it’ll probably be for nought.
3 months of the club embarrassing itself and it’ll probably be for nought.
Generally pro Spanish clubs. Probably a bit biased.
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It's not.
Where Haaland is expensive for City is in wages, not in the relatively modest transfer fee.
Nothing about EtH, either from the past, or in the here and now, tells me he's the type of person to be going after a player so blindly, that doesn't want to play for him.
I'm trusting my manager on this one.
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