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Shit than Ole
Steven Gerrard | Al-Ettifaq Manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Shit than Ole
He will be replaced by Poch just in time for our games.
Gonna need a few results to make it that long! Guess we’ll have to root for him so we can destroy him at the opportune moment.
Would prefer that tbh because he gets Villa up to play us.
He should be sacked immediately.
They have regressed.
They have regressed.
He really does have a bizarrely tiny forehead.
Slippy.
The sky comments will be shite like “Stevie will know the players have let him down today”
He’s doing a great job!! (Look who I support)
The Villa plebs are calling for Poch
The Villa plebs are calling for Poch
Hope he turns it around. Need him to be just good enough to take that Liverpool job someday.
Bit of a generalization, this, based on little
Threehead
The media would love it but I don't see it ever happening. He is not very good !!
Should just get Martin o neil
His forehead gets smaller and smaller
Liverpool aren't stupid, theres no way they would hire Gerrard
Slipping his way to new lows.
Wonder what fans that follow Rangers and have seen Villa would make of his current plight.
Wonder what fans that follow Rangers and have seen Villa would make of his current plight.
Absolute guff. Should’ve stayed at Rangers but he thought he was too big for them and should be managing in the prem. Arrogant cnut. The only downside to him being exposed as a fraud is the fact he won’t be able to con Liverpool into giving him the managers job at some point. Real shame.
Sky are drafting a contract as we speak.
Will be gone in the next 7 days.
Do we have any Villa fans on here? What's the opinion on him?
What I posted on page 15 a week ago:
There's no real tactics tbh, Palace completely outplayed us first half and we were lucky to go in 1-1. So had a chance to tweak things, maybe put on Douglas Luiz to try to get some tempo in central midfield but he stayed on the bench and only came on at 3-1.
His only response was to put Ings on so he's just one of those managers too simplistic in his approach which we all feared based on the more measured analysis of his time at Rangers.
Our next three games are West Ham, Arsenal and Man. City. As a guide Dean Smith had 10 points from first 6 games last season. We'd need 7 points from those three just to match that.
Today Moyes would've been more than happy with 0-0. They barely left their own half for first 45 minutes. Then he sensed we had little to hurt them, made a few positive subs and pushed WBs more advanced and they won the game.
We are in massive trouble with Arsenal and Man. City next. Could easily be bottom of the league in 7 days time so it would just be blind faith and crossing fingers if he remained. It's not just results, the performances are terrible aswell with very little decent chance creation.
As a few will know I'm not a big fan of xG but Gerrard as our manager would be an interesting case study of it given what we've spent on forwards in last 12 months yet it's basically just the wing backs getting endless crosses into the box that very rarely beat the first defender.
Villa have had one of the best transfer windows relative to their stature as a club and yet they look worse now than they did under Dean Smith at the start of last season. The race for the first manager to be sacked is getting tight and Gerrard might have just edged slightly in front.
I don't particularly rate Gerrard as a manager and think he was overrated by the media after doing well initially - he inherited a pretty decent side and was given some financial backing from the Grealish sale.
However, I will say the same as I said about Lampard and others - I simply do not understand the point of hiring young managers, and getting rid of them after their first bad spell. If you hire a young manager surely the objective should be to give them a few seasons with the expectation that they will develop over that time. If you want instant and consistent short term results just hire someone who is more experienced. Chopping and changing constantly from one young manager to another is nonsensical. I personally think Gerrard is a bit thick and only has the job because of his playing career, but whoever hired him presumably thought this guy has the potential to become a very good manager.
The mid table management turnover is ridiculous anyway, expectations are too high and owners are too spontaneous. Top 6 is realistically out of reach apart from the occasional fluke, then there's numerous clubs competing for 7th and below, most of which have plenty of funds and resources - Villa are in the pack with West Ham, Newcastle, Leeds, Leicester, Wolves, Everton, Palace and Southampton, and arguably Forest given their spending this season and size traditionally, and none of these clubs, oil money aside, or current financial woes aside, has any realistic right to expect to consistently finish towards the top of that pack. They will inevitably interchange positions season by season, and the competence of the manager to be honest has less significance than the quality of players at his disposal. Rodgers finished something like 5th, 5th and 8th with Leicester, having inherited a decent side and given money to spend, but he's going to finish lower this season because Leicester are asset stripping. Everton have been in the top 8-10 for the majority of the last two decades, but they're going to finish lower than that this season because of their squad, the manager doesn't change that fact. It's the same at the bottom of the table, Fulham and Bournemouth are virtually guaranteed to sack their managers this season - but whoever were managing those squads would likely get relegated. They have two logical choices - hire a Pulis, Hodgson, Allardyce style relegation dog fight expert, or stick with the young manager, let them rebuild the next season and give them another go at it the year after if they come back up again. Also they need bloody realistic expectations.
Look back over the last couple decades and see which clubs have consistently done well - its either been the clubs who have spent the most, or have given a manager a few seasons to build a team capable of consistently churning out results season on season. Potter has Brighton playing incredibly well on a budget but it didn't happen in 6 or 12 months. They finished 15th and 16th in his first two seasons, and have since reaped the rewards from sticking with him. Sure clubs like Villa have more resources and higher expectations than Brighton, but the concept is the same. The manager merry go round leads to players being bought on sold in quantity for the new manager to build the team how he wants, and then they sack the manager and have to change numerous players all over again.
However, I will say the same as I said about Lampard and others - I simply do not understand the point of hiring young managers, and getting rid of them after their first bad spell. If you hire a young manager surely the objective should be to give them a few seasons with the expectation that they will develop over that time. If you want instant and consistent short term results just hire someone who is more experienced. Chopping and changing constantly from one young manager to another is nonsensical. I personally think Gerrard is a bit thick and only has the job because of his playing career, but whoever hired him presumably thought this guy has the potential to become a very good manager.
The mid table management turnover is ridiculous anyway, expectations are too high and owners are too spontaneous. Top 6 is realistically out of reach apart from the occasional fluke, then there's numerous clubs competing for 7th and below, most of which have plenty of funds and resources - Villa are in the pack with West Ham, Newcastle, Leeds, Leicester, Wolves, Everton, Palace and Southampton, and arguably Forest given their spending this season and size traditionally, and none of these clubs, oil money aside, or current financial woes aside, has any realistic right to expect to consistently finish towards the top of that pack. They will inevitably interchange positions season by season, and the competence of the manager to be honest has less significance than the quality of players at his disposal. Rodgers finished something like 5th, 5th and 8th with Leicester, having inherited a decent side and given money to spend, but he's going to finish lower this season because Leicester are asset stripping. Everton have been in the top 8-10 for the majority of the last two decades, but they're going to finish lower than that this season because of their squad, the manager doesn't change that fact. It's the same at the bottom of the table, Fulham and Bournemouth are virtually guaranteed to sack their managers this season - but whoever were managing those squads would likely get relegated. They have two logical choices - hire a Pulis, Hodgson, Allardyce style relegation dog fight expert, or stick with the young manager, let them rebuild the next season and give them another go at it the year after if they come back up again. Also they need bloody realistic expectations.
Look back over the last couple decades and see which clubs have consistently done well - its either been the clubs who have spent the most, or have given a manager a few seasons to build a team capable of consistently churning out results season on season. Potter has Brighton playing incredibly well on a budget but it didn't happen in 6 or 12 months. They finished 15th and 16th in his first two seasons, and have since reaped the rewards from sticking with him. Sure clubs like Villa have more resources and higher expectations than Brighton, but the concept is the same. The manager merry go round leads to players being bought on sold in quantity for the new manager to build the team how he wants, and then they sack the manager and have to change numerous players all over again.
I think he’s struggling because Micheal Beale (his coach) left to go into management. Bet he wishes he was still at Rangers 
Could have saved this slip for when he inevitably took over from Klopp!
If he was going to get the boot sometime soon, who are the popular names to come in and replace him?
I said it as a joke earlier but Martin O'Neil making a return isnt a bad shout at all surely
Sacking a manager a few games into the season would be ridiculous. If you give a manager the summer in the market what can possibly change in a few matches that would cause a complete u turn? Things are going poorly but in my opinion you either sack him at the start of the summer because there's someone you think is better out there or you have to actually give the season some time to take shape. Would have thought he'll get a month or two to pick up results.
He's not managed since 2019 and was dated even then. The man's a dinosaur.
This could be made into a thread but I always wonder why England's Golden Generation players seem to be terrible managers. Neville, Lampard and now Gerrard. Maybe they were pundits and get protected too much from their media friends so become very self-entitled and cocky.
Or maybe the vast majority of managers fail, which is only heightened the higher the level they enter at
I don't think there is any special reason. There are only ever a small number of managers considered highly successful at any time. Generally there are the high achievers (Klopp, Pep), the ones that are solid but uninspiring, and then the ones that end up getting sacked regularly or can only compete at a certain level.
I just think with modern football there isn't much patience, high expectation is always there, the degree of analysis is forensic, and you always have to be progressive. The standards expected are incredibly high even for midtable clubs, if you have one season of regression or falter in any way, whether it be results or style, you get people on your back. Not many can truly excel at the business end in that environment.
I think you could look at the best players of the last 20 years and only a few would ever be top draw managers so I don't think it's anything unique about England's lot. It's whether you've got the midas touch, whatever special blend of quality the big boys have.
Why would Poch go to Villa? I don't rate him much but he could do better.
I look at their line up at times and think he must be some kind of moron. It is completely unbalanced basically every game. Who was meant to be stretching the play today? Where’s the pace? Where’s the width. Why do they always have about twenty number 10’s on the pitch ?
Where?
He’s got a worser record there than what Tim Sherwood & Remi Garde had.
Obviously there aren't many top jobs available but he'd be smart to take a break and wait for now. There's early signs that it might be a rough year for Tuchel at Chelsea, and with Conte's track record of volatility who knows how long he'll stick around at Spurs?
He'll be the first manager to get the sack this season. Moyes will follow soon after.