cyberman
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It’s such an open tournament. If Ronaldo or Messi were in their prime they’d be favourites. They just got old at the wrong time
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That's the in game management and intelligence all top players have and its only until your body doesn't allow you to do it are you totally finished.He's not worked as hard as he did in this game in years.... and it looked at the full time whistle. He was fecked. Fair fecks to him. Massive panic after the Aussie goal and he didn't shy away from fighting to keep them going up top, which is one of the prime arguments against him.
One of the best games I think I've watched from him in years in a complete sense.
That’s not true. Big teams win it at the end. If what you are saying was true, we will see much more often an outsider in finals and semis. But that never happen in finals.We're getting to the point when games become more and more irrationnal though, analysis doesn't really matter when you reach the final stage. It's often about one bad mistake or one player having the night of his life. It's obviously not 50/50 at each game but the margins are getting far, far narrower because of the immense pressure.
Hmmm England will all depend on whether Southgate bottles it and I'm not sure Portugal are all that, especially if they keep starting Ronaldo.England, France, Brazil, Portugal and Spain would all beat them I reckon.
Hardly in a World Cup mate. Brazil are very solid. I can’t see this team beat them.this team beat Brazil in a final last year. I will always have hope in them.
Please try to explain to me how France won the last world cup based on an analysis of what they displayed in the group stage. I'll be waiting (good luck).That’s not true. Big teams win it at the end. If what you are saying was true, we will see much more often an outsider in finals and semis. But that never happen in finals.
And don’t use Croatia as an exemple please, they had a hell of a team 4 years ago.
If any bookie in the world have The Netherlands as a favorite I would be stunned. Argentina has lost one of their 40 last games and in that game they had 15-3 in goal attempts and 70-30 in possession. And they don't play shit teams regularly in the WC-qualification like in Europe.Well, Argentina is not favorite against Netherlands. They are in for a reality check.
France is. Don’t count Tunisia please, it wasn’t the same team.Deserved by Argentina.
To those who are saying they're not playing good, who exactly is?
I expect them to beat the Dutch too.
He was brilliant. Also looks a bit like Jon Snow.Rordrigo de Paul finally had a good game. He will be a nightmare For that Dutch midfield to play against.
France is and that's about it. There's no team for which you can say they had a blast up until now. Also its strange people are considering Netherlands as favorites. They've been average.France is. Don’t count Tunisia please, it wasn’t the same team.
I was almost close to rooting for them then they started to play act and roll around like they do. The Messi 'punch' one was particularly annoying.Commentary was odd. It's was as if Argentina were the lovable, plucky underdogs
France deserved their victory that night. No possession stats won’t say otherwise, I watched the game and France don’t rely on possession anyway.If any bookie in the world have The Netherlands as a favorite I would be stunned. Argentina has lost one of their 40 last games and in that game they had 15-3 in goal attempts and 70-30 in possession. And they don't play shit teams regularly in the WC-qualification like in Europe.
Argentina had total control of the game today also until Australia scored with that deflected shot. In fact the chance Martinez saved in the last minute was Australias first shot at goal.
Brazils style of play is more likeable but Argentinas is as effective. They didn't have any better team in 2018 when they went out against WC-winners France 3-4 after having 60-40 in possession, more goal attempts, and after a match with a dreadful goalkeeping performance from Armani.
Alvarez > Pavon
Romero>Rojo
Acuna>Tagliafico
Martinez>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Armani
Messi is surely not the same player as in 2018 but he has performed as well here as in Russia. But overall the team is better now.
Any team can beat anyone in a single game. We have seen that in this tournament. But Argentina will be very very clear favorites going into this game.
Drivel is being too kindWhat are you going on about? Utter drivel
Unfortunately we'll have to beat them in the semis.This is a good Argentinian team, not sure what everyone is talking about. Practically 3rd elimination game in the row that they are playing with by far the biggest pressure of any national team on their sholders (always the case with Argentina). Enzo Fernandez and Julian Alvarez added much needed quality to their first 11 and they also have an excellent keeper.
They can beat anyone.
Hardly in a World Cup mate. Brazil are very solid. I can’t see this team beat them.
That’s just my humble opinion.
Anyway, I think that anyone from the other side of the table are favorites. France. But if England beat them, I can see them go all the way. The other side is much stronger to me. But I won’t write off Brazil.
So France are not a big team to you ? They don’t have some of the best players in the world ?Please try to explain to me how France won the last world cup based on an analysis of what they displayed in the group stage. I'll be waiting (good luck).
I am French mate and I don’t have the same memory of that 4-3.This is a WC mate, watch Argentina vs Brazil in 1990. Or watch Argentina vs France in 2018 where he had a far more horrible team and we still lost 4-3 and almost tied it in the last play.
The Netherlands will respect Argentina, it will be a close game for sure.
The goals they scored today were much better then anything Argentina produced. It was team goals from a solid unit, not impressive but solid. And I also think that USA are a better team then Aussies.France is and that's about it. There's no team for which you can say they had a blast up until now. Also its strange people are considering Netherlands as favorites. They've been average.
Netherlands are a dark horse in the tournament that could go farThis is definitely the booze talking, but I don't see how Argentina will beat us. We defend too well for them to create anything and they looked suspect on the break against Australia and even KSA.
You interfered in a conversion when the OP was talking about the group stage. And yes, the margins ARE getting smaller, you see surprising results at every WC. But there's still margins so yeah, after 4 KO games you're obviously more likely to have big teams.So France are not a big team to you ? They don’t have some of the best players in the world ?
You said that in knockouts anything can happen. I said that I don’t believe it because smaller football nations have very little chance to win the World Cup.
Can you read what I said before please ?
I didn’t say that knockouts are the reflect of group stage. It’s like another competition. But a big team will win it at the end.
That's not true, he had already won the league with Monaco and had good seasons in the CL, one of the most sought after young players, everyone knew of him.. Most people didn't even know who Mbappé was.
What? That’s nonsense.. Most people didn't even know who Mbappé was.
Het is thuiskomen.This is definitely the booze talking, but I don't see how Argentina will beat us. We defend too well for them to create anything and they looked suspect on the break against Australia and even KSA.
As well as where one lined up in positions. SAF and CQ changed tactics in 2006-07 which is when Ronaldo took off in scoring and play-making by moving closer to goal and given more free reign in attack, more 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 wide forward. Those career numbers are skewed through his first three years at United.To be honest, I find "games" played a misleading statistic that can either flatter or downplay someone's achievements. Any sort of minutes in a game can count as a "game", and so, it makes it problematic comparing that way. The only good way it can be done is through minutes played:
Minutes played
Messi - 81,995 minutes played with 789 goals
Ronaldo - 92,796 minutes played with 819 goals
So, Ronaldo has played rougly the equivalent of 120 more full 90 minute games and only 30 more goals to show for it.
The goals per minute ratio puts Messi at 104 mins per goal and 72 mins per goal contribution.
The goals per minute ration puts Ronaldo at 113 mins per goal and 88 mins per goal contribution.
It's an open/shut case, tbh.
That was obviously an exageration. What I meant is that he went from "a great talent" to "the superstar that destroyed Argentina and scored in the final", and all that happened in during these KO games. Before the WC, people still had debates like "is Mbappé better than Asensio, Rashford or whoever". He exploded at that time.What? That’s nonsense.
Yeah they tried their best with the limited talent they had, fair play to them. That's why it ws infuriating watching Poland who had a much better set of players play like complete cowards.whar a performance by the australia. Were talking about a team whos best players are on the bench for celtic, In the championship, or playing Bundesliga 2 and in the aleague. this is the equivalent of Barcelona vs Blackpool kinda stuff.
Huge to not only hang in there but still oush Argentina till the dying seconds.
So France are not a big team to you ? They don’t have some of the best players in the world ?
You said that in knockouts anything can happen. I said that I don’t believe it because smaller football nations have very little chance to win the World Cup.
Can you read what I said before please ?
I didn’t say that knockouts are the reflect of group stage. It’s like another competition. But a big team will win it at the end.
France and Brazil have by far the most depth in their squads and together with Spain the best individual starting eleven. I would still say Argentina is as good of a team as them. Argentina are a much tougher and physical team, havs a bigger winning mentality and a cynical approach which counterfeits the other teams slightly higher skill level. And let's not forget that they have won 2 and drawn 1 the three last games against Brazil who is clear favorite to a WC-win with the bookies.I am French mate and I don’t have the same memory of that 4-3.
Never said it won’t be close, I just said I believe Netherlands are better to me. And I am not saying much, because Netherlands are unimpressive as well.
I just watched the Argentinians players after the final whistle, and they were so relieved. It was fecking Australia…
You can go all the way for sure, but I won’t bet on it. They are much better teams left.
"Het komt naar huis" would be the correct translation. Google translate is a bit too literal. Van Gaal like almost.Het is thuiskomen.
Asensio... what happened to that guy? I thought he was gonna be a superstar after his early performances.That was obviously an exageration. What I meant is that he went from "a great talent" to "the superstar that destroyed Argentina and scored in the final", and all that happened in during these KO games. Before the WC, people still had debates like "is Mbappé better than Asensio, Rashford or whoever". He exploded at that time.
En ik zei "ja! We gaan ervoor". Seksueel masochisme"Het komt naar huis" would be the correct translation. Google translate is a bit too literal. Van Gaal like almost.
I'm going to bed.