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Her cutting Mouratoglou loose to work with another player makes more sense now.
 

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Holger Rune beat Stefanos Tsitsipas to win his second atp at 19.

What is his ceiling?
 

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Holger Rune beat Stefanos Tsitsipas to win his second atp at 19.

What is his ceiling?
He has great pop in his shots and a decent serve. I think he could be a consistent top ten player maybe sneak in a slam or two in his career.
 

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It’s becoming increasingly likely that the team around Raducanu - and the a la carte approach they want to take to coaches and coaching - is doomed to fail if they don’t learn some lessons fast.
 

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It’s becoming increasingly likely that the team around Raducanu - and the a la carte approach they want to take to coaches and coaching - is doomed to fail if they don’t learn some lessons fast.
If they don't gather a good technical commission, it will be extremely hard for her to develop her game and to be well prepared to face a long season. She must understand that in high competitive sports training regimes take weeks/months to make an effect, unless she is extremely naturally gifted, which is quite rare. Looked at how good is Felix coming under Toni Nadal: he is much more consistent and his overall tennis improved, but it wasn't something that happened instantly.
 

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So the Austrian pairing Erler and Miedler won the doubles in the Vienna ATP 500 tournament. I played against Miedler 15 something years ago. fecker was 13 back then. Made 2 games...
 

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Difficult to promote a tennis event in a couple of months but why did they choose to host the WTA finals in Fort Worth?!

Pretty big contrast to Guadalajara last year.
 

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Difficult to promote a tennis event in a couple of months but why did they choose to host the WTA finals in Fort Worth?!

Pretty big contrast to Guadalajara last year.
The stadium is far too big for the event, but still the empty seats present an embarrassing image. In addition to Guadalajara being a bit hit last year, I thought that the event would be very successful in somewhere like Prague, where tennis is popular and which hasn't even held a tour level event for that long. I also don't know why they went for Fort Worth, and to compound matters I saw the that the WTA are footing the bill for all costs associated with running the event; that means even more so that they could have chosen a more suitable venue.

While I've personally enjoyed the parity of women's tennis in recent times (as great as Navratilova, Evert, Graf etc. were, women's tennis basically had zero depth outside the top 10 / 20 when they were active and women's grand slam tournaments only properly started from the QF or SF stage onwards), I accepted that in reality the sport does better when there is less parity and when the best players continually meet each other in the latter rounds of big events and build up rivalries.

Also hindsight is a wonderful, but pre-pandemic the WTA went too far and too fast in terms of expanding more and more in China and desperately chasing and becoming more and more reliant Chinese money; downgrading such a successful tournament in Tokyo in favour of one in Wuhan was a big mistake for example. The ATP maintained a much better balance in terms of trying to preserving events in existing and established markets, but also tapping into the lucrative Chinese one.
 
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On the men's side, I wanted to Alcaraz to finish as the year end no. 1 instead of Nadal for the novelty factor, and hopefully Nadal's early defeat in Paris this week means that Alcaraz is now in pole position to do so.
 

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Rune seems to be making a big leap in his development the past few months. That's three top 10 players he has beaten in three days. There could be more to him than just another top ten player.
 

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Rune seems to be making a big leap in his development the past few months. That's three top 10 players he has beaten in three days. There could be more to him than just another top ten player.
In the form of his life right now. Beat an in form FAA comfortably after dispatching the world number 1 a round earlier.

Djoko and Tsisipas in the decider right now for the chance to face him in the final. Could get the ultimate spoilt brat final.
 

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In the form of his life right now. Beat an in form FAA comfortably after dispatching the world number 1 a round earlier.

Djoko and Tsisipas in the decider right now for the chance to face him in the final. Could get the ultimate spoilt brat final.
Just read that Rune and Alcaraz are the only teenagers in the top 100. Not sure what to read into that, but it is an interesting statistic, also considering how they are actually performing.

That's five top ten players in a row rune has beat now. Djokovic will be number six of top ten players in a row he plays.
 

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Alcaraz vs Sinner starting the most boring top-level rivalry of this new decade with a couple of instant classics. :drool:

Osaka hitting and missing Grand Slams as usual, Raducanu not breaking into top 50 consistently and pondering a move into global fashion and acting to sustain her much profitable Cinderella brand. :p
End of the year … I won my tagline, folks: “Ubaldo’s cosplayer”.
 

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Djokovic being allowed into Australia for next year.

Also first round of matches over in the tour finals. Fritz and Rune beat Nadal and FAA respectively and Djoko and Rublev beat Tsisipas and Medvedev.
 

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Djokovic being allowed into Australia for next year.

Also first round of matches over in the tour finals. Fritz and Rune beat Nadal and FAA respectively and Djoko and Rublev beat Tsisipas and Medvedev.
You need to be behind bars for mixing up a Dane and a Norwegian.
 

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Not Nadal's best tournament under normal circumstance but he's been incredibly mediocre this year at the ATP finals.
 

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Djokovic allowed to go to Australia? Hopefully no drama like last year. That was unbearable experience for us Novak fans.
 

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Well done to Alcaraz for finishing as the year end no. 1, and for becoming the youngest man to do so, and in era when the average age of ‘elite’ players / contenders is older compared to the 80s, 90s, 00s etc.

I like the fact that Nadal has never won the YEC (2020 in hindsight seems like a golden opportunity), while Federer and Djokovic have never won the Olympic gold medal in singles. To me it would be boring if all 3 players had completely spotless career CVs and won everything of note. Plus I also like the fact that Agassi is the only man to have the modern day ‘career box set’ in terms of winning all 4 slams (when the conditions were more polarised as well - he was the first man to win Wimbledon from the baseline in an era when Courier and Bruguera were coming to the net regularly on grass), the YEC (on carpet) and Olympic gold medal in singles.
 

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Heliövaara books his place in semi-final in Turin even though he was paired with some Emmerdale actor.
 

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I had hoped Medvedev to be a serious muktiple slam winning thread, but I guess he's another 1 day fly.

Lame.
 

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I had hoped Medvedev to be a serious muktiple slam winning thread, but I guess he's another 1 day fly.

Lame.
It is actually even worse, I don't think there is even a single thread about him in Redcafe.
 

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As expected. He has a mental block in finals and any time he is up against the big 3.
 

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Novak ready to pounce hard next season and win 3 grand slams.
 

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Novak ready to pounce hard next season and win 3 grand slams.
If he maintains this form then he for sure is a favorite to win multiple slams. Had a brainfart against Rune in Paris, but apart from that very solid hardcourt display in 2022.
 

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So with Wimbledon points included, Alcaraz would still edge Novak by 180 points for YE1. However, the fact Novak was that close whilst missing two grand slams and various other events is insane. He’s still far and away the worlds best player.
 

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So with Wimbledon points included, Alcaraz would still edge Novak by 180 points for YE1. However, the fact Novak was that close whilst missing two grand slams and various other events is insane. He’s still far and away the worlds best player.
In terms of players in the top 50, he played the fewest tournaments, the same amount as Nadal and Kyrgios who have been absent for different reasons.

On hard courts (outdoor & indoors) and grass, Novak is still the guy to beat until proven otherwise and even on clay he was taken out by Nadal in the QF at RG.
 

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I much prefer Nadal over Djokovic. But for a few years I've fully expected Djokovic to come out on top in the slam race (I hope I'm wrong), as I think that he has more mileage left than Nadal and his body looks to have taken far less punishment. Plus I also thought that his reduced activity this year would benefit him next season.

Before we get to the 2 hard court slams, at this stage I think he is just as big a favourite to win the Wimbledon title next year, as Nadal is to win the RG title, helped by the fact that the standard of competition on grass is just so bad.

To be honest with his superior world no. 1 ranking statistics (both in terms of weeks as world no. 1 and year end no. 1 finishes), record at the YEC (and if Djokovic's failure to win the Olympics in 4 attempts is a 'blemish', Nadal's failure to win the YEC in 11 attempts is surely a bigger 'blemish'), and record in masters series events (notably winning each of the 9 events at least twice), plus his non-calendar slam (plus YEC) from 2015-2016, I think he is already greater than Nadal despite currently trailing in the slam race. Had he beaten Medvedev in last year's US Open final to secure the (calendar) grand slam, I think he would have ended the debate (in my mind) vs. Nadal or Federer there and then, but thankfully he didn't !

I still can't stand him though !
 
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Has anyone been to the Australian Open on here. Looking at getting some tickets for next Jan.

Did you book a specific match? Or can you just get a ground pass and try your luck at getting in a stadium? Not sure how it works or what the best option is.
 

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Just booked ticket to see Zverev tomorrow in Sydney. Never seen live tennis before but always been a massive fan, and I play myself so quite buzzing!
 
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