The Madueke signing is a weird one. He hadn't even established himself as a consistent starter at PSV yet, it must be purely done to meet homegrown quotas. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him put on the conveyor belt of loans before being quietly ushered away in a few years time.
Chelsea 2022/2023 | THIS IS LAST YEARS THREAD YOU NUMPTIES
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I have nothing against Chelsea but it is undeniable that the worse they are doing, the better the whether in Europe, the more the russians are losing, the more flowers are growing.
Chelsea doing bad should be IMO of strategic importance.
Chelsea doing bad should be IMO of strategic importance.
Well, I’m not a Barca fan in fairness. But it still seems different to me. In my analogy Barca would be halfway through the surgery with no additional blood for transfusions, and they gave the replacement heart to someone down the hall.
This isn’t meant to be an attack on Barca, but it is a Spain and La Liga issue, and they are slowly but surely talking about ways to make the competition “fair” between leagues; which would affect us…And it isn’t PL teams’ fault that you guys have archaic “socio” ownership, and that the league as a whole is dire.
Clearlake have money. In my description I wasnt implying there were financial miracles afoot. If they could have convinced them to say yes during the Enzo thing they could have just bought Benfica itself. It is simply more a case of people not understanding the amount of leverage they actually have.
Consider Mudryk and a hypothetical: his depreciation is stretched or slowed down over a long period and he makes 97k a week after incentives. Say we sell CHO, and it isnt a massive fee, but we can count every cent immediately for FFP, and he makes 150k a week. If I looked at just those two players, I could buy Mudryk for a staggering fee, sell CHO for relatively little… and actually reduce our FFP number.
You guys don’t have this type of leeway due to La Liga rules, not FFP. Right now I’m fairly sure they would turn a blind eye to ANYONE willing to put money in La Liga.
And, of course, we never tried to get out of honoring a contract. We even went out of our way to pay the balance of Lukaku wages, politely, even while he bad mouthed the club. There are completely different dynamics at play.
It DOES pay to wait and look at the complete picture. But with Barca the picture doesn’t get better the more you see. That is not all Barcas fault, but they do hold a massive amount of the blame.
I had questions about this one to anyone who had seen more of him play. All the tape I’ve seen of him he likes to play out wide, he can run all day, he seems pretty physical and he’s fast. Considering Potter had Trossard at wingback … is there any chance there’s an alternate plan here?
I don't think member-owned clubs can be considered archaic.
Besides, Barcelona is not in a worse position than Chelsea. And if in the event that things were extremely bad, the club could be put up for sale and half the planet would kill themselves to buy it, taking an amount much higher than what was paid for Chelsea.
I suppose if you wanted to play Chelsea, right now is the best time with 13 injuries.
It would be the same with yourselves with your heads down and not playing well.
This will either be an absolute stinker or a game to remember. I’m not massively confident right now though. You looked much better v Wolves than previous games.
Id be happy if they left for free. They’re useless and their mentality stinks. Not one of them is prepared or willing to put the effort in to change their fortunes or the clubs.
There’s gonna be no fire sale.
We made a few changes for that one but yeah I tend to agree that it’ll either be an awful 0-0 or something ridiculous like 4-3 or a high scoring draw.
I didn’t realise you had that many injuries.
But how would you sell it? Again, Barca itself isnt necessarily the issue. If the Superleague had gone through you would be one of the biggest names in the world in the only league of importance, in the most popular sport. And I do believe when I say that that the Superleague was meant to be an NFL-like league eventually, not just a competition, and for Madrid and Barca an escape from La Liga.
But the idea of doing it was so soundly rejected… that doesn’t seem like a way out anymore.
Do the sociology have to agree to sell? Is it publicly traded? In the IS people have often talked about how hard it would be to engineer a sale of the Packers …. In a similar situation.
FFP will get challenged eventually. You can prescribe that treats can’t spend money they don’t have. But telling a team they can’t spend money they DO have to compete with the United’s, City’s, Madrids of the world … just because they don’t sell as many jerseys or have an historic following? There are competitive monopoly issues there; especially if UEFA tried to step in and throw different rules in.
FFP was about keeping the historic powers in power, and keeping teams from destroying themselves through mismanagement. That’s why AC Milan was punished so quickly.
If they had wanted real parity they would have gone with a hard cap, and equal distribution of money. The extra funds popular teams made could give them an advantage in academies, facilities, development…. But everything else would be even. BUT then you could have the danger of powers failing, maybe even relegation. No one wants to entertain that.
Chelsea is in a dominant position. It may not seem like it now. But heck, they could even acquire 6th street and slowly leverage their way into owning you guys. They pulled a similar trick to pick up 30% of the Lakers, and now full ownership is an inevitability.
A lot of people throw out asset figures for ME powers and other groups. But those figures are their total assets, including fixed assets, the businesses they own outside of sports, their real estate, etc.
Clearlake has 77B JUST for sporting investment. The members have a lot more worth than that. That is what they pooled together just for sports. And nearly 38B of that is pure cash. They determine how much they get from media content … because they own the media the content will appear on. And it’s structured in such a way that while Clearlake controls each team, they have technically different owners. SO, if The Dodgers agreed to share revenue with Chelsea in exchange for Chelsea content that didn’t violate game broadcast agreements … they could do that.
That’s just one example.
They will spend until Chelsea have the best of everything, and a scouting and development model that, like the one they have for MLB, will be unlike anything European football has seen before. That is just what they do. “Losing” 500m a year is nothing to them; Just the cost of the foundation.
What the fix in controlling the pipeline for baseball talent, especially in Central and South America, cost billions and us truly astonishing.
As a side note…. I saw when we were going after Endrick people were talking about how Boehly would be totally lost in South America and out of his depth …. Which was so ironically funny.
The only analogy I can give is if Florentino Perez was a super billionaire and part of a group that owned Real Madrid , and they went and purchased an NBA team, and Americans laughed and said they would t know how to handle superstars or massive brands on the scale of the Lakers or Celtics.
Yeah I think you're bang on with that, I'm leaning more towards a 0-0, maybe a jammy deflected winner for one of us
With all that cash available according to your claims, then why did they ask for an £800M loan recently?
In Europe you can not lose 500M and invest in signings the money you want with the new ffp rules.
The same reasons really rich people still get mortgages and use credit cards.
Do you work for Clearlake Bluelion? You've convinced me, we should just all pack up and let the inevitable happen!
He han't established himself as a consistent starter at PSV because he's injury prone, which is why I myself was against the signing because we already have enough sick notes. Seems really talented though, so I guess the move is seen as high-risk high-reward. If he can overcome his injury provlems it's possible we're getting a very good player for what is not that much money in the current market, but it's also very possible we'll end up with a player who's out half a season every year with injury and his career stagnates as a result. And in case of the latter, the long-term contract can really come back to bite us in the arse though I suppose that's depending on his salary too.
We've no problems with HG quotas btw. At the moment we have Bettinelli, Chalobah, Chilwell, James, Loftus-Cheek, Mount, Gallagher, Sterling, Broja as the HG players and also Chukwuemeka and Hall who will be HG too once they're old enough. Even before the Madueke signing that's nine players (+ two U21 so a total of 11) who will count as HG and we only need 8. On the list there's probably a couple players who could be leaving the club in the next 6-18 months but even then we'd have no problems with meeting the HG rules.
So yeah I'm very sure the Madueke signing had very little to do with him counting as a HG player from the 24/25 season onwards (next season still U21) and more to do with his talent and how well he's played when he's not out injured. Of course him being English and having HG status is a nice bonus but very unlikely to have played a major part in why he was signed.
Either way his injury record is sickening and I fear that he can't overcome that.
Probably because opposition fans don't usually come on spreading as much mis information with clubs boards as they do here.
Think Maduake is a good talent but his injury record is shocking. Read online that in 4 seasons he's only played 90 mins 5 times.
They still sing for Abramobvic. They must have a weird fetish about owners.
Just wait until our new owners make their first statement signing
In 4 seasons? He's 20. How many 90 minutes games are 16 year olds playing?
Likely also includes U17s etc. It's supposedly a stat that concerns his injuries. It's a bad outlook.
Ryan Giggs had a worse record at that age. It means nothing.
That's interesting, if Noni stays injury free I think he will come good however.
Just checked Transfermarkt. It's for Eridivisie, the Dutch cup and Europa only and there's 5 90 min appearances there. I guess it's possible he's not played any 90 min games in youth football in the past 4 years but I think that's incredibly unlikely (and I can't be bothered to check Dutch under 17 games!).
The vast majority of his appearances are him coming on as a sub (which you'd expect for a teenager), rather than being subbed off injured. That's why there's so few 90 min apps.
Biggest problem with him is injuries. Compared to Noni Martial and Varane are A-10 Warthogs.
Let’s hope he isn’t another Marko Marin
It's a huge gamble and moneywise a good thing for PSV although their supporters are upset they sold Gakpo first since with the Madueke money Gakpo didn't have to be sold.
Mudryk looks class
Need the rest playing at Mudryks level honestly.
Gallagher is utter shite at this level. Needs to play somewhere like West Ham where he can enjoy aggression and fecking up counters. Not that I mind him starting for Chelsea tbh.
Wow, really impressed by Mudryk, looks a really talented player.
Feel Chelsea are going to need do much better than Connor Gallagher in CM if they want to compete for trophies though, nowhere near good enough
Feel Chelsea are going to need do much better than Connor Gallagher in CM if they want to compete for trophies though, nowhere near good enough
And some on here say that FFP is a real thing.
About 5 people on here know what FFP actually is.
Haven't watched Chelsea in a while but seems unbelievable that they have so many average players on the pitch today.
Gallagher, Cucurella, Ziyech, Chalobah and that dreadlocks guy were all terrible.
I think Mudryk looks decent but it's still too early to tell.
Gallagher, Cucurella, Ziyech, Chalobah and that dreadlocks guy were all terrible.
I think Mudryk looks decent but it's still too early to tell.
Gallagher 
You’re being very generous
I think Chelsea will continue to improve. Having Mudryk and Felix together will be dangerous.
He's gone under the radar but Badiashile looks class so far.
I thought there were a few signs where they could start picking up from this point onwards. Mudryk looks to add something they haven't had since Hazard. They still have Felix to come back and replace Mount (who has been dreadful this season)
They looked a lot better when Mudryk got into the game - I thought Cucurella improved in that period, which probably comes from having a proper option to pass to.
I think there are positives, but their decision making and clumsiness in front of goal needs serious addressing. The players who have been there a while are a lost cause, but perhaps Mudryk (don't know much about him) and Felix could bring that with them?
They looked a lot better when Mudryk got into the game - I thought Cucurella improved in that period, which probably comes from having a proper option to pass to.
I think there are positives, but their decision making and clumsiness in front of goal needs serious addressing. The players who have been there a while are a lost cause, but perhaps Mudryk (don't know much about him) and Felix could bring that with them?
Looks a huge step up on Koulibaly for sure (not much of a stretch I guess recently).
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