In realtime the Ayew is more violent, more like a punch imo
So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
For sure. I do think he accidentally did it, but still a clear red. Think he was holding him away and didn't realize his hands went up to his throat, when he realized he let go and had an oopsie face.
Because some people disagree with you I'd guess.
Cas did what he had to do. The equivalent of taking a yellow to stop a counter attack.
If no one stood up to the Palace player after fouling AND staring down Antony, we would have looked weak.
Not only in this game but for other teams going forward.
"You fight one of us, you fight all of us" mentality. All the best teams in the last few decades have had that.
Bravo to the man. A natural winner.
If no one stood up to the Palace player after fouling AND staring down Antony, we would have looked weak.
Not only in this game but for other teams going forward.
"You fight one of us, you fight all of us" mentality. All the best teams in the last few decades have had that.
Bravo to the man. A natural winner.
Anyone thinks it a red card is just simply nonsense!
Oh there definitely is no force, but that's irrelevant. You can't have your two hands around a throat at all
It's the inconsistency that drives me mad - Casemiro gets a red for violent conduct, when the foul that caused the melee, and Ayew on Fred in the same melee, were both more violent and deserving than him.
You can't go to VAR and only give Casemiro a red and not one to the Palace player as well.
Exactly what I saw as well. Hope to see some more angles again.
Never a Red
Casamiro was just sorting out Hughes's collar for sartorial reasons
Casamiro was just sorting out Hughes's collar for sartorial reasons
That ref was desperate for a palace win.
Casemiro saw that prat writhing around on the ground in "agony" and assumed the worst.
Obviously Cas shouldn't have done it, but Antony performing like Neymar in the playacting sense and performing like Obertan in the footballing sense is what has caused this mess.
Bruno needs to cop himself on too, but at least he is playing well enough to let the nonsense slide a bit.
But the strangled player did not feel the same as the ref. For me it wasn’t a red. The referee did not get the whole picture.
A red card was the only decision the referee could make.
Clear red, you're never getting away with that with VAR.
Honestly I suspect he's actually got his hands on the dude's clavicles to try to push him away rather than his neck but it's ended up looking like the neck from one angle. Not a red.
The only issue is there's probably far more violent acts going on in the melee that were ignored. Schlupp had his fist balled up to throw and only his own teammates dragging him away stopped him from landing it - I doubt there was any actual squeezing of the neck and Hughes jumped straight back into the pack once released
Casamiro misses
Leeds home,
Leeds away,
leicester home.
he can still play v Barca.
we should be able to cope.
Leeds home,
Leeds away,
leicester home.
he can still play v Barca.
we should be able to cope.
It's a little known fact that Casemiro and Hughes are actually close friends. Casemiro was just choking his Willy.
Some truth to this. Pushing Antony down the slope was completely needless and much worse in terms of potentially causing an injury than what Case did.
Yes, absolutely.
Although when they were showing those first replays I was pretty sure that they were going for Ayew vs Fred so I wasn't even looking at Casemiro... and then I noticed it
Although when they were showing those first replays I was pretty sure that they were going for Ayew vs Fred so I wasn't even looking at Casemiro... and then I noticed it
"Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible."
Pretty debatable if any of those happened.
I think it’s a red if the referee wants it to be a red. Those things really should be ignored in mass brawls imo. I’d say that for any side
100% red. Stupid to do what he did. Antony did a flick just prior to that. Players will react to perceived showboating by sticking the boot in. We need to react better
Can’t believe how many people missed this. I really don’t think he has him by the neck. I think he’s grabbed his collar.
I saw a replay of his full interaction with Hughes and he definitely grabs the collar initially.
Look, it’s silly having your hands there. But despite all the still images I’ll get as replies, I don’t think he had his hands around his neck.
You might need a lay down. That’s all down to Palace and Casemiro.
You've seen them given.
Reds should be saved for actually dangerous or violent incidents. Head butting, elbowing, punching.
If he was actually choking him with force then I’d get it, but honestly it looked like he wasn’t even gripping at all. Rugby’s approach in those situations is so much more sensible.
If he was actually choking him with force then I’d get it, but honestly it looked like he wasn’t even gripping at all. Rugby’s approach in those situations is so much more sensible.
For goodness sake.
It's ridiculous for VAR to interfere there given everything else that happened in that situation.
Carroll gets away scot free for a dangerous tackle that puts Eriksen out for 3 months, and that is a red card? Feck that. Corrupt cnuts were looking for an excuse.
Carroll gets away scot free for a dangerous tackle that puts Eriksen out for 3 months, and that is a red card? Feck that. Corrupt cnuts were looking for an excuse.
Should have smashed him for the same punishment.
You can't put your hands on face/neck etc, but everyone knows it's ludicrous that's a 3 match ban, yet a brutal challenge that injures someone is the same.
Or like with Carroll, either nothing or a mere second yellow.
You can't put your hands on face/neck etc, but everyone knows it's ludicrous that's a 3 match ban, yet a brutal challenge that injures someone is the same.
Or like with Carroll, either nothing or a mere second yellow.
Shouldn’t be a red. Nothing in it. But i guess the laws of the game state otherwise
Instead of letting Antony showing his pain and potentially baiting a card for Palace, our players just had to join in the brawl. How can they be so naive at this level?
Yeah the angle they showed the ref looks a stone wall red as his glove cover his neck.
But the other angle seems to show the opposite
I'm lost on how that's a clear and obvious error. If that's a red then the original foul is a red and a lifetime ban. Only one of the two is any threat of harming or endangering an opponent, and really no one would have been bothered or felt any injustice if no cards were handed out at all.
Marriner also needs to explain what Antony got booked for there. For getting assaulted?
Sorry but this is meant to be the top league in the world or so we're told, so why do we put up with officials who are either bent or hopelessly incompetent and literally just up things as they go along? or in the case of Anthony's yellow today and the 7 minutes added time, invent offences that never even happened.
Marriner also needs to explain what Antony got booked for there. For getting assaulted?
Sorry but this is meant to be the top league in the world or so we're told, so why do we put up with officials who are either bent or hopelessly incompetent and literally just up things as they go along? or in the case of Anthony's yellow today and the 7 minutes added time, invent offences that never even happened.
I think so too. Let’s see if some videos will surface from other angles.
If that is a red due to 'violent conduct', you should give a red also to 3-4 more players in that rumble, starting with the one who initiated it.
Given that those type of things happen in every game, this means that it will be rare for a team to finish the game with 11 players in each game.
Stupid.
Given that those type of things happen in every game, this means that it will be rare for a team to finish the game with 11 players in each game.
Stupid.
Ain't that the truth Dwazza. I saw one today in fact.
His hands should not have been on Hughes neck but it was a mass squirmish and his hands were there for about 1 second max in real-time whilst he was pushing him away from the incident. He was hardly trying to strangle him.
I feel we are missing the context of WHY he was sent off. If it's violent conduct then surely he was trying to choke him. Well he wasn't so then what.
I feel we are missing the context of WHY he was sent off. If it's violent conduct then surely he was trying to choke him. Well he wasn't so then what.
Could work out to be an excellent red. We won today. Our next 3 prem games are Leeds, Leeds, Leicester. Meaning he'll be fresh for each other Barca games. We of course have to win the Prem games but we should really be winning them anyway.