For me you run the risk of getting a red card when your hands are high regardless, so no complaints from me.
Ayew should of also seen red in my opinion.
Ayew should of also seen red in my opinion.
So... Was it a red? (Casemiro / Hughes Royal Rumble)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
yeah, you quoted it, but substituted 'intentional contact' for 'strikes', which makes a big difference. Is there somewhere that details exactly what this referees definition of 'strike' is?I have quoted that rule multiple times in the thread already myself. The confusion you have is you're working on a definition of strike which doesn't match what the referees use. It's intentional contact with another player when not challenging for the ball. That's it, that's all strike means in that context.
Should we risk the appeal,tempted to say no but do worry about him missing 3 league games particularly Leeds away
Makes me fecking furious. The state of the PL refs these days. Just imagine the whining from Klopp if that happened to his players. We are way too nice as a club to the FA. This is outrageousJordan Ayew has Fred round the neck. No card??
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Eriksen out for the rest of the season. No card given for this?
Martinez elbowed in the eye. No card given for this?
Well I can't see how they could argue it is a frivolous appeal given that lots of pundits are saying it wasn't a red card. Chris Waddle on 5 Live said something like it was the worst decision he's seen all season. Even getting it reduced to 1 or 2 would be better than nothing.
EDIT - he actually said it was one of the worst decisions he'd ever seen!
Then you have ABU prats like Agbonlahor saying he should be arrested,good god talk about extreme hate of us coming back
If that's a red, a lot of Palace players should have been sent off, as well.
Tbf, even though Mariner was looking to feck us and this was perhaps the worst refereeing performance I have seen, I can't blame him entirely for this. He was given the worst possible angle of the VAR check and it was like half a second long. From the other angles it's quite clear that Casemiro is not malicious or aggressive towards Hughes but simply trying to calm him down
it’s disgusting and blatant nowJordan Ayew has Fred round the neck. No card??
Eriksen out for the rest of the season. No card given for this?
Martinez elbowed in the eye. No card given for this?
Agbonlahor is a useless sack of shit. He is like Paul Parker (sadly), only happy when he's making some ridiculously negative comment about United.
There's no way he even watched the footage ffs
That’s not a red. Absolutely ridiculous.
I voted yes originally - then I watched the footage from behind - and completely changed my mind.
I said this in the match day thread. One hand around the throat = absolutely fine. Two hands and just holding = red card. Fecking appalling refereeing and VAR getting involved for the sake of getting involved, they were determined to send someone off.Jordan Ayew has Fred round the neck. No card??
Eriksen out for the rest of the season. No card given for this?
Martinez elbowed in the eye. No card given for this?
What are the rules? Would love to hear the official letter of the law on this.
The game is gone.
The test is how the media are covering this. They are using words like 'grabbed his throat' etc, to try to paint a picture of excessive force or brutality. Neither of which are a true description. He held his collar to calm him down.
ETH correctly said that many players should have been dismissed if Casemiro was guilty. Total inconsistency and very dubious decision.
I wonder why so many comments on here support a poor ref.
Everyone wants to be choked by Casemiro. The red card was out of jealousy.
We've already been through this extensively in this thread. It's simply not true.
Arguments of force are what they are, but his hands are around Hughes' throat. His collar is ruffed up because it's between his neck and Casemiro's hands. That's beyond doubt.
Sky sports said it like “put his hands round Hughes’ neck”. They are not sure as well.
I'm sure when they were hugging after he was whispering "harder next time" in his ear. Sadly that doesn't change the outcome.
Yes, dumb to put your hands around his neck. Will Hughes is scrawny, could have restrained him by his shoulders, and it wouldn't be a red.
The annoying things is, I'm sure we'll see another player with hands around an opponents neck in the coming weeks, and it won't be a red. I hope this sets a precedent that this is aways a red, but that never seems to be the way.
The annoying things is, I'm sure we'll see another player with hands around an opponents neck in the coming weeks, and it won't be a red. I hope this sets a precedent that this is aways a red, but that never seems to be the way.
Thought it was a clear red initially, seen the fan angles and it’s something of nothing and even Hughes wasn’t arsed.
No point appealing though. FA will back their refs.
No point appealing though. FA will back their refs.
Yeah fully expect Ayew's hands on Fred's throat to be swept under carpet on MOTDJordan Ayew has Fred round the neck. No card??
Eriksen out for the rest of the season. No card given for this?
Martinez elbowed in the eye. No card given for this?
Yeah. Your example is just misleading, mate. He got sent off on SECOND yellow card for AGRESSIVELY puting his hand on someone's neck. Ckk.. ck...
I agreed with yellow, but it's not straight red.
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Oh yeah they will back Marriner to hilt
The more I see it, especially the fan video, the less I think it's a red.
I have quoted that rule multiple times in the thread already myself
What’s the correct definition then and did you change it Dion?!
I’m confused now
Again, I can't see your example from the UK, but I'm talking about the Burnley one. He was sent off because of a VAR intervention where his yellow was rescinded and he was given a red instead.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55204250
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/gra...&verein=11&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
You can see he missed 3 games here, 2 league games and a game in the cup vs City.
They're literally the same thing, people just misunderstood what the interpretation of strike is in a football context hence the clarification.
Dude, it was a definite red. Yes, Ayew should've also got sent off. Yes, the ref should've reacted much better to Schlupp's shove of Antony.
But, Casemiro's aggression towards Hughes, regardless if he got him on the neck or shirt, is a definite red card.
This is too definitive. His hands are not “around his throat”. If you look at Hughes you can tell that he does not feel attacked, he is trying to get past Case and afterwards he doesn’t give it another thought.
You always run the risk of a straight red card if you put your hands to someone's neck/face. Even if they make a meal out of it the refs seem to go with a red for raising your hands.
No complaints from me, just hope it doesn't feck us over against Leeds and Leicester.
No complaints from me, just hope it doesn't feck us over against Leeds and Leicester.
Shite refereeing and inconsistency =/= Casemiro shouldn't have been sent off. This is basic stuff.Jordan Ayew has Fred round the neck. No card??
Eriksen out for the rest of the season. No card given for this?
Martinez elbowed in the eye. No card given for this?
Ok.. on second review, you're right, mate. That's a valid example. Shite for us, but they're consistent.
Sorry. Just believe that nonsense, please. Casemiro basically tried to de-escalate by holding Hughes. If watching all available views, you still believe it a red, no one can help.
His hands are literally around his throat. This isn't an argument. It's where his hands were.
You can make whatever argument you like about how threatened Hughes felt or how much force was applied, I'll probably agree with it, but all that matters was was it negligible or not? Given it was a (successful) attempt to prevent Hughes from moving freely it obviously was not.
That's why it's a red.
Yes, clearly there is room for interpretation but my opinion is that Case’s actions do it meet that definition of violent conduct. If they did, then surely there’s several other players there that should have gone as well. He was, imo, far from the most aggressive in that whole melee.
Yep, it is inconsistent and that's part of the reason I'm annoyed about it all. Ayew literally does the same thing and gets away with it, that's what I want them to get on the same page about. If Ayew goes off it's 10 v 10 and that match isn't nearly as awkward as it should have been and I doubt anyone would be as upset about the Casemiro decision.
For me it's not a card at all. He's not attacking anyone, he's trying to hold the Palace player back from getting into the scuffle.
The referee got it awfully wrong, and I don't even thing he did it by mistake.
The referee got it awfully wrong, and I don't even thing he did it by mistake.
Hopefully others in the media will start shifting the narrative once they actually watch the footage and not look at a still fecking picture:
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