Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

[Cloud7]

Why do United fans get so defensive over Kane? There's always so much aggression when responding to anyone pointing out reasons why they might not want him

 

[Idxomer]

PSG's front line don't care to work much off the ball as individuals nor as a cohesive unit. They cannot be said about United. United have had a much better defensive shape and counter pressing, so the comparisons with PSG are a little odd.

That's why I said it's only part of their problem.

 

[Andre Kagawa]

How has the Kane-Rashford chemistry generally been for England?

 

[edcunited1878]

How has the Kane-Rashford chemistry generally been for England?

It's not as good as Kane-Saka, because Saka is just much more well-rounded and more technical than Marcus. If Kane and Son have a really good relationship, feel like Marcus could have something similar, but he's not as good of a passer as Son.

Also, Kane-Rashford for England hasn't been tried enough by Waistcoat, but per last WC, Marcus can co-exist with Kane and Saka. Think they all compliment each other well.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I think the club will walk away if it's more than 80m. And if that's the case then Kane is easily the best deal we can get for a striker

 

[Anustart89]

The problem with signing Kane is that we'll have to pay £Xm (probably upwards of £80-100m again) for another main striker much earlier than if we sign someone like Osimhen (and they turn out to be equal successes, obviously).

 

[Dazzmondo]

If you've actually watched both those players it should be immediately apparent that Osimhen offers more pressing intensity than Kane. I'm not even sure what you're looking at on fbref that would tell you otherwise as they don't carry pressing stats any more.

Though I know that when they did carry those pressing stats back in the 21/22 season, Osimhen was in the 84th percentile for pressures in the attacking third, because I referenced it in a post at the time. And this from his season in France before he moved to Napoli.

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So no, Osimhen isn't worse at pressing than Kane, just as our eyes tell us he isn't.

And it's not just about pressing either, it's also about pace and mobility. Where Kane also lacks (and someone like Haaland for one very clearly doesn't).

I was looking at tackles which is the closest thing we have now since they took away pressing stats. I would have thought Osimhen's pressing numbers would have been higher too but if he's not making tackles it's unlikely his pressing numbers would be significantly different (maybe slightly but not to the extent that he would be pressing significantly more than Kane despite making less tackles per game than him). He is more mobile for sure. Whether being more mobile and quicker really matters that much is another story. We already have pace and mobility in Rashford and Antony. Kane would probably suit us more if anything imo considering his ability to create chances for others, something that we're badly lacking apart from Bruno. Both are lethal goalscorers which is the most important thing. I'd be very happy with either of them despite being very different types of strikers. Don't think the stats we do have suggests that Osimhen presses anymore than Kane does though. Even comparing his tackles numbers they are far lower this season compared with a couple years ago, so even if he did press a lot that season, this doesn't seem to be something he does anymore. Might be down to the number of injuries he's gotten or might be some other reason, but the last 2 seasons there's been a massive reduction in his tackles made per 90. You can see a graph of that here because it's the easiest way to compare (https://analytics.soccerment.com/en/player/218329/victor-osimhen-1998-12-29/stats).

This could be a conscious decision to help him conserve his energy the same way Rashford does also btw, could be manager instructions to make the most of his pace late in the game.

 

[El Jefe]

Which player or players fits those criteria who guarantee 20 PL goals? Are we going to pay £100 plus million for a player from an inferior league who may, or may not be good enough?

Haaland is the best forward in the world and comparing to him is pointless - there's nobody available like him. Alvarez is a very tidy player in a team that dominates most games they play in, but who couldn't lace Kane's boots as it stands.

If the club wants to compete for titles in the next 3 years, and you would assume that's the plan, for me, there's not a better option out there.

See the bit in bold is the short term thinking I'm talking about.

We are not a team that is one piece away from winning big titles. We need players in five different positions. We'd put ourselves in a far better position for the future if we actually made sure we signed the right choices at GK, CB, CM and DM.

There's no rush to win the PL or CL next season, buying Kane only forces us to accelerate our timetable because of his shelf life.

We don't have to spend £100m on a forward this summer. We certainly do need a No.9 and if there's not a great option we can bide our time and the perfect option will come through soon enough. Football changes very quickly, this time last year no one know Enzo Fernandez and a year later he's the record buy in the league.

My point is we aren't a summer away from catching City so why rush the process to sign a striker on the decline. If we are to overpay it's better to do it for a player with high potential if he's the right player that fits our style. And if that player isn't available lets go all in and make major upgrades on the other positions we're in need of.

 

[Dazzmondo]

The problem with signing Kane is that we'll have to pay £Xm (probably upwards of £80-100m again) for another main striker much earlier than if we sign someone like Osimhen (and they turn out to be equal successes, obviously).

Why not get Kane for £70-80m and get Evan Ferguson or Jonathan David for £35-40m. We need a backup striker anyway so that way we potentially have Kane's replacement ready and if they don't develop the way we hope we can always get another when the time comes.

 

[Andre Kagawa]

It's not as good as Kane-Saka, because Saka is just much more well-rounded and more technical than Marcus. If Kane and Son have a really good relationship, feel like Marcus could have something similar, but he's not as good of a passer as Son.

Also, Kane-Rashford for England hasn't been tried enough by Waistcoat, but per last WC, Marcus can co-exist with Kane and Saka. Think they all compliment each other well.

Thanks mate!

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

Why not get Kane for £70-80m and get Evan Ferguson or Jonathan David for £35-40m. We need a backup striker anyway so that way we potentially have Kane's replacement ready and if they don't develop the way we hope we can always get another when the time comes.

Kane is 80-100m, Ferguson 60-80m and David at least 50m.

 

[Cathy Ferguson]

Kane is proven in the PL and is a better footballer than Osimhen so Kane should be our prio 1 unless Oshimhen is cheaper which I doubt he will be.

 

[Anustart89]

Why not get Kane for £70-80m and get Evan Ferguson or Jonathan David for £35-40m. We need a backup striker anyway so that way we potentially have Kane's replacement ready and if they don't develop the way we hope we can always get another when the time comes.

Ferguson would cost over £60m, easy. And if he turns out to be a flop we'll have to sign someone else. David is unproven too. And if you spend all that time and money just chasing strikers all the time, what happens with the RB, GK, CM, Casemiro back-up and back-up CB situations?

 

[Dazzmondo]

See the bit in bold is the short term thinking I'm talking about.

We are not a team that is one piece away from winning big titles. We need players in five different positions. We'd put ourselves in a far better position for the future if we actually made sure we signed the right choices at GK, CB, CM and DM.

There's no rush to win the PL or CL next season, buying Kane only forces us to accelerate our timetable because of his shelf life.

We don't have to spend £100m on a forward this summer. We certainly do need a No.9 and if there's not a great option we can bide our time and the perfect option will come through soon enough. Football changes very quickly, this time last year no one know Enzo Fernandez and a year later he's the record buy in the league.

My point is we aren't a summer away from catching City so why rush the process to sign a striker on the decline. If we are to overpay it's better to do it for a player with high potential if he's the right player that fits our style. And if that player isn't available lets go all in and make major upgrades on the other positions we're in need of.

Strongly disagree with this. Most of our best players - Bruno, Varane, Casemiro, Shaw, maybe Rashford and Martinez a little less so, are either in their primes or close to the point where their decline will start (realistically it already has for Varane despite him still being great). If we don't win the league within the next few years, we're setting ourselves way back again. We're not an Arsenal where all our best players are 21-25. Whoever we get in as our striker needs to deliver now. I also don't agree that we're as far away as you suggest. I think we need a world class striker, a great cm (an improvement on Eriksen, preferably someone like Caicedo or Rice who can both progress the ball and defend and thus fill in for Cas when he's injured or suspended, though they are probably both too expensive). We might need a cb because Varane's fitness is unreliable, though Shaw has been excellent when needed there and Lindelof is a reliable backup imo. GK could be upgraded but I don't believe it would necessarily prevent us winning a title or at least challenging if the outfield is strong enough. We can also easily bring in Raya at the end of his contract the season after next which seems like a very logical and straight forward move.

 

[HarryP]

See the bit in bold is the short term thinking I'm talking about.

We are not a team that is one piece away from winning big titles. We need players in five different positions. We'd put ourselves in a far better position for the future if we actually made sure we signed the right choices at GK, CB, CM and DM.

There's no rush to win the PL or CL next season, buying Kane only forces us to accelerate our timetable because of his shelf life.

We don't have to spend £100m on a forward this summer. We certainly do need a No.9 and if there's not a great option we can bide our time and the perfect option will come through soon enough. Football changes very quickly, this time last year no one know Enzo Fernandez and a year later he's the record buy in the league.

My point is we aren't a summer away from catching City so why rush the process to sign a striker on the decline. If we are to overpay it's better to do it for a player with high potential if he's the right player that fits our style. And if that player isn't available lets go all in and make major upgrades on the other positions we're in need of.

There's no guarantee that players like Osimhen will work out the way you want. Look at Lukaku when he came back from Serie A on a hot streak and he turned out to be a disaster.

Kane is a generational player and one of a few that you can be extremely confident in. He's one of the best playmaker CFs around which is something we need because we have great finishers but struggle to create enough chances. Fernandes is the only reliable creator in the team - the other attackers like to score more than assist.

We have a severe shortage in goals this season and I never feel it's because we're not clinical enough, we just don't reliably create. Eriksen is our best creator behind Fernandes and he's a #8 who's main task is to dictate the game from deeper areas. It's not good enough and I don't think a pure goalscoring #9 is going to fix our problems. Kane is perfect.

 

[Tincanalley]

I think we don’t need Kane. We need a defender to replace Maguire; cover for Eriksen/Case. And cover so Bruno can be rotated- a tall order I know. We need a winger. After that, maybe a keeper.

Evan Ferguson is surely in the mix. Other options… well there are many. Will be interesting to see what happens spending wise, presumably with us in the CL

 

[Hulme91]

I think we don’t need Kane. We need a defender to replace Maguire; cover for Eriksen/Case. And cover so Bruno can be rotated- a tall order I know. We need a winger. After that, maybe a keeper.

Evan Ferguson is surely in the mix. Other options… well there are many. Will be interesting to see what happens spending wise, presumably with us in the CL

We've spent half the season playing a striker who wouldn't get a game for any other football club in the Premier League.
A top tier striker is very clearly the number one priority and Ferguson ain't the guy. Kane or Osimhen.... I don't care which but one of them must be bought as they're the only top class options on the market

 

[Nicoseth]

Kane is the right player at the wrong time for us. 3 or 4 years ago he would have been the right age and would have justified a 100m+ pricetag. Turning 30 in the summer, Levy will still want a ridiculous figure to sell him to us. There are plenty of other, probably cheaper options too.

 

[edcunited1878]

We've spent half the season playing a striker who wouldn't get a game for any other football club in the Premier League.
A top tier striker is very clearly the number one priority and Ferguson ain't the guy. Kane or Osimhen.... I don't care which but one of them must be bought as they're the only top class options on the market

United have just needed a reliable striker who is fit and can contribute once every 3rd or even 4th game. I'd take a punt on Ollie Watkins from Villa and Toney at Brentford (if it wasn't for his gambling issues).

United don't always need the big name star, they can grow into a star because of United and the cast of players around him.

 

[Dazzmondo]

Ferguson would cost over £60m, easy. And if he turns out to be a flop we'll have to sign someone else. David is unproven too. And if you spend all that time and money just chasing strikers all the time, what happens with the RB, GK, CM, Casemiro back-up and back-up CB situations?

£60m seems a bit much. He's only really had 1 half season so far. Don't think he should be considered in the same price bracket of Caicedo or Mitoma yet. Don't see why David is unproven, he has 25 goal involvements in the league this season and he's never once failed to get less than 12 league goals in a season. He's fast and presses well and the whole point of getting a young striker to be backup is that they can develop over time. Don't think you could ask for any better as backups aside from maybe Toney who's a bit older. There's no guaranteed young-ish strikers besides probably Haaland, Mbappe or Osimhen and they would all be either impossible or insanely expensive. Don't really understand the pushback here. If we could get an adaptable cm like a Caicedo or Rice who could play both alongside or instead of Casemiro we'd only need 1 cm instead of 2. There are probably good cheaper alternatives in that position that I haven't thought of but those would be the ideal profile. Rb I think we can either make due with AWB and Dalot, both of which have improved a lot under ETH, or replace them gradually over time with a reasonably priced option. Shaw being able to play cb so well might mean we can get away without signing another expensive cb. Maybe someone like Ndicka who's free in the summer could be an easy option for squad numbers. If he's good enough great, if not at least it's not cost us much and we have at least 3 better options at cb (and Lindelof isn't a bad backup either).

 

[HarryP]

I think we don’t need Kane. We need a defender to replace Maguire; cover for Eriksen/Case. And cover so Bruno can be rotated- a tall order I know. We need a winger. After that, maybe a keeper.

Evan Ferguson is surely in the mix. Other options… well there are many. Will be interesting to see what happens spending wise, presumably with us in the CL

You're off your nut if you actually think Utd don't need a CF as a priority.

You think a replacement for our BACK UP CB is more important? Even though Shaw has done excellent in his place there...

Ridiculous post tbh.

 

[Dazzmondo]

Kane is 80-100m, Ferguson 60-80m and David at least 50m.

Absolutely no chance David costs £50m. French teams are broke mate. I also doubt it would cost that much to get Ferguson off the back of an impressive half season. No team is going past £80m for Kane with just 1 year left on his contract, I doubt they'd even get that and I don't see the point in keeping him another season when they're clearly going nowhere.

 

[Plant0x84]

I think Kane is nailed on to go to Wrexham…..

 

[edcunited1878]

If United don't get Osimhen for whatever reason, I rather they explore a transfer for Kane just to rile up Levy and formally tap up Kane and get him to leave on a free next summer.

But they have to purchase a reliable CF to rotate with Martial (if he isn't sold) and get Weghorst to be a 3rd choice CF and flexible squad option. He'd play for pennies for United.

Inquire about Kane heavily this summer, walk away after Levy demands the moon and stars, respectfully open the line of communication and terms to Kane, knowing that United will walk away when Levy is holding him for ransom, but also be assertive that Kane is in play but he's not the end all be all for United. Happy to walk away from him if Spurs aren't compromising on the fee and good luck renewing with Spurs or having another club spunk the fee.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Why not get Kane for £70-80m and get Evan Ferguson or Jonathan David for £35-40m. We need a backup striker anyway so that way we potentially have Kane's replacement ready and if they don't develop the way we hope we can always get another when the time comes.

Evan Ferguson will be big money.

 

[arthurka]

Kane and the Danish kid in Italy for the same price as Osimhen. Kid ready to take over from Kane in three years.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

This would be an RVP like transfer. So worth the hassle. Also in teena of the long term, If we believe in ANY center forwards in our youth system. There wouldnt be a better teacher for them to learn off of as they mature for first team football.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

If United don't get Osimhen for whatever reason, I rather they explore a transfer for Kane just to rile up Levy and formally tap up Kane and get him to leave on a free next summer.

But they have to purchase a reliable CF to rotate with Martial (if he isn't sold) and get Weghorst to be a 3rd choice CF and flexible squad option. He'd play for pennies for United.

Inquire about Kane heavily this summer, walk away after Levy demands the moon and stars, respectfully open the line of communication and terms to Kane, knowing that United will walk away when Levy is holding him for ransom, but also be assertive that Kane is in play but he's not the end all be all for United. Happy to walk away from him if Spurs aren't compromising on the fee and good luck renewing with Spurs or having another club spunk the fee.

Send the bid on day one of the transfer window, £70m with a one week time limit.

If Levy doesn't take it, then go for option 2,3,4 etc.

If Levy asks us later in the window for another bid or approaches us, £60m.

We cannot ever be held hostage by a club who's biggest draw is bi-yearly NFL game.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Even Totti won some trophies and a World Cup by Kane's age. I really don't see what Kane can win if he remains at Spurs.

More chance of winning the Superbowl as a kicker for the Jags than a PL with Spurs.

 

[El Jefe]

Strongly disagree with this. Most of our best players - Bruno, Varane, Casemiro, Shaw, maybe Rashford and Martinez a little less so, are either in their primes or close to the point where their decline will start (realistically it already has for Varane despite him still being great). If we don't win the league within the next few years, we're setting ourselves way back again. We're not an Arsenal where all our best players are 21-25. Whoever we get in as our striker needs to deliver now. I also don't agree that we're as far away as you suggest. I think we need a world class striker, a great cm (an improvement on Eriksen, preferably someone like Caicedo or Rice who can both progress the ball and defend and thus fill in for Cas when he's injured or suspended, though they are probably both too expensive). We might need a cb because Varane's fitness is unreliable, though Shaw has been excellent when needed there and Lindelof is a reliable backup imo. GK could be upgraded but I don't believe it would necessarily prevent us winning a title or at least challenging if the outfield is strong enough. We can also easily bring in Raya at the end of his contract the season after next which seems like a very logical and straight forward move.

I also disagree with the approach you have for the team. We need to build a winning team for the next 5+ years or so not just for the next two seasons.

Respectfully City are lightyears away from us both in terms of players and style of play. There's no shame in that Pep has been there for 7 years now. We need to trust in EtH's rebuild and not be in a hurry to skip steps.

I hate using City as the example but you look at the best players they've had during their dynasty, Aguero, Silva (both), KDB, Kompany, Haaland and many others. These are players with their best years ahead of them that could give 5+ years of top quality football. Its what's SAF and Klopp did too, they built teams to dominate the next 5 years.

Fergie only became shortsighted at the end due to the Glazers and his retirement.

The window for building a dominant team with Kane as the spearhead has already passed. Within two years I see a very steep decline. It's great having Casemiro and Varane but we really do need to usher in the next generation of great players in order to have the advantage over some of our rivals. This is what the true top teams do.

Look at Real Madrid, the dividends of signing a young Vini Jr is paying off now and will do for a long time, same with Camavinga, Valverde, Militao.

 

[Dazzmondo]

Evan Ferguson will be big money.

I don't know, maybe. I feel like £50m should be enough for a talented player but one who's only had half a season and already picked up a few niggling injuries. In a year's time he might have completely flopped and there's their profit gone. Probably not likely with Brighton's success rate in recruitment but it has happened to plenty of players before.If that is the case I can't see Jonathan David costing more than £35-40m and he'd also be a very good backup who could develop alongside Kane.

 

[Murder on Zidane's Floor]

Like Van Persie?

Difference being is we are also a club full of losers tbh. Besides a couple of players, most of them haven't won a thing of note, perhaps a couple of small cups. Not many have had sustained success.

It's not like joining "mens club" as Evra said to RvP when he joined.

No SAF, Giggs, Scholes, Evra, Rooney, Rio, Vida, Carrick etc.

 

[edcunited1878]

Send the bid on day one of the transfer window, £70m with a one week time limit.

If Levy doesn't take it, then go for option 2,3,4 etc.

If Levy asks us later in the window for another bid or approaches us, £60m.

We cannot ever be held hostage by a club who's biggest draw is bi-yearly NFL game.

Thought it was the cheese room....

 

[Tincanalley]

You're off your nut if you actually think Utd don't need a CF as a priority.

You think a replacement for our BACK UP CB is more important? Even though Shaw has done excellent in his place there...

Ridiculous post tbh.

Post respectfully, newbie. And it’s ‘to be honest’, not ‘tbh’, if that is the cliche of choice.

 

[KikiDaKats]

If United don't get Osimhen for whatever reason, I rather they explore a transfer for Kane just to rile up Levy and formally tap up Kane and get him to leave on a free next summer.

But they have to purchase a reliable CF to rotate with Martial (if he isn't sold) and get Weghorst to be a 3rd choice CF and flexible squad option. He'd play for pennies for United.

Inquire about Kane heavily this summer, walk away after Levy demands the moon and stars, respectfully open the line of communication and terms to Kane, knowing that United will walk away when Levy is holding him for ransom, but also be assertive that Kane is in play but he's not the end all be all for United. Happy to walk away from him if Spurs aren't compromising on the fee and good luck renewing with Spurs or having another club spunk the fee.

I like the idea because we also want to be in control when negotiating his contract. If we act desperate we’ll end up 500k a week. Every signing seems to fool us into believing the whole world is trying to sign them.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

It’s not a ‘random conclusion’, it’s my observation and opinion from watching the footballer. You are as entitled to your own.

It is of no relevance to me what Kane did 5 years ago. Again, I am all about watching a player and assessing their qualities. I don’t simply extrapolate. ‘Kane did this 5 years ago so put him here and he’ll do that’. He is incredibly immobile. He wasn’t when he was younger, unsurprisingly. Simply saying ‘he can play the role of the striker that doesn’t drop deep which counters your argument about the existence of Bruno’ is again a mathematical/scientific assessment. The nuance and the specifics are the qualities. I didn’t just make a sweeping statement, I gave examples of scenarios where Kane doesn’t have the qualities. Obviously this is not a matter of him simply being told to ‘stay up front’. Kane may well have the technical ability for our type of passing, I just don’t see that he has the dynamism. There’s more time and space 20 yards deeper.

Regarding how we set up against Barcelona, I don’t see that as relevant at all. We have simply been getting through the season with what we have, the best we have. Rashford played up front because Weghorst is rubbish, in the main. Weghorst also played in midfield because he is seen as good at pressing, which Harry Kane isn’t. The whole set up was makeshift. If we had all the right pieces, Bruno would play 10, Rashford would play left and a capable striker would have played up front. Using that game as a tactical positive isn’t something I see. The idea is not to have to do that.

Kane can’t simply ‘adapt to how Poch used him before’ IMO. That’s my issue. He’s not the same player. I don’t see that he’s started dropping deeper because all his managers have asked him to either. There’s a famous saying in English football that says ‘once you get older and you lose a bit of pace you tend to drop 15 yards’. This is a clear example of that. I can see that because I see the struggles that Kane does have when he is up against many of these centre halves who he can’t get away from. It’s not simply a case of ‘he could if he chose to’. Ultimately, if I saw that he had the qualities I had mentioned in his game today, then I wouldn’t care whether he had been playing right back for tactical reasons even. It would be obvious whether he would still have the mobility to play up top or not.

And speaking of the difference between City and United, City have greater territorial advantage which is the key difference. The spaces in general are smaller so there is less need to transition. Kane can probably often finish with his first touch or two more often than not. Jamie Vardy (in his prime even) was more suited to United than City for the same reason. If the game is played in a 30/40m square box, then it will take pressure off Kane to transition quickly and run away from people. The pitch is typically bigger when we play, and players are required to run longer distances to connect with others I feel.

Your assessment shouldn’t be based on what Kane can do under Mourinho/Conte, you should also take into account of what he can do under Pochettino. What Kane did under Pochettino is still relevant because it’s a reflection to the fact he can adapt to false 9 or traditional no 9 role as he was being used differently under Conte/Mourinho and under Pochettino, yet despite of being used differently he could still performed like world class. Being able to play as false 9 and traditional no 9 role compliment both Rashford and Bruno.

The tactical changed of dropping Weghorst to no 10 while moved Rashford into striker role that happened to Barcelona and Leeds is relevant as it shows ten Hag isn’t afraid to switch to plan B and C when necessary to change the game if the plan A doesn’t work. Hence, Kane provides flexibility to ten Hag to execute his plan A, B and C.

Kane doesn’t need pace to play in a striker role of ten Hag. Haller, Huntelaar, and Tadic, None of them have pace. Speaking about Vardy, none of those thee are anywhere near closed to Vardy type of striker, if anything Kane is the one closer to those three than Vardy is.

 

[Suedesi]

Kane can push all he wants; he's already been shafted by Levy the last time he wanted out, this'll be no different.

Levy has said he will not sell to a rival and I frankly don't see Crystal Palace, Fulham or West Ham going for Kane

 

[Chungy]

I also disagree with the approach you have for the team. We need to build a winning team for the next 5+ years or so not just for the next two seasons.

Respectfully City are lightyears away from us both in terms of players and style of play. There's no shame in that Pep has been there for 7 years now. We need to trust in EtH's rebuild and not be in a hurry to skip steps.

I hate using City as the example but you look at the best players they've had during their dynasty, Aguero, Silva (both), KDB, Kompany, Haaland and many others. These are players with their best years ahead of them that could give 5+ years of top quality football. Its what's SAF and Klopp did too, they built teams to dominate the next 5 years.

Fergie only became shortsighted at the end due to the Glazers and his retirement.

The window for building a dominant team with Kane as the spearhead has already passed. Within two years I see a very steep decline. It's great having Casemiro and Varane but we really do need to usher in the next generation of great players in order to have the advantage over some of our rivals. This is what the true top teams do.

Look at Real Madrid, the dividends of signing a young Vini Jr is paying off now and will do for a long time, same with Camavinga, Valverde, Militao.

I agree with you, and I can't believe the short-sightedness & frankly slightly delusional view some posters have.

First, we're 11 points behind City right now, and probably at least 15 points behind the eventual league winner, and this is a season where City hasn't even played that well in the league until recently. We're may be able to 'challenge' for the title next season, but we're not winning it, not yet, it's too soon and frankly City's just too strong right now.
Also, some seem to think that having a strong first 11 / 14 is enough for the league. As Arsenal's proving right now, it clearly isn't, and that's with them being lucky with injuries as well as being knocked out early in some cups. Maybe that's good enough 10 years ago, but to compete with City consistently through the years, you need a great squad of at least 18 players who you can rely on the step up whenever needed.
I agree that some players are near/at their peak, or even slightly over the hill (while remaining great - Varane, Casemiro, Eriksen), but to gamble everything on a really expensive (and over-priced at his age) Kane to hopefully win 1 title is frankly short-sighted. I don't want us to be a worse version of Liverpool, whereby we (may) win 1 title then drop off a cliff having to replace 8/9 players at once, again. I'd rather we actually try using the next couple of years, while still improving and getting closer to the title, to actually set this team up for the next 7, next 10 years, by getting a good (but young) CF that we can actually work with for a while, a young back-up for Casemiro who can replace him in a few years' time, a young replacement for Eriksen so he can have more rest, a good young CB who can replace Varane when he's injured for 40% of a season, a world-class, young GK who can replace De Gea and set us up for the next 10, etc, etc.....

 

[Fortitude]

Levy has said he will not sell to a rival and I frankly don't see Crystal Palace, Fulham or West Ham going for Kane

In all seriousness, Levy is getting grief and mocked from more angles than ever before. I should think this'll make him an even worse chairman to deal with as he tries to reestablish his own ideal of what dominance is.

He never works for the best interests of either player or the club, putting his ego, reputation and own ideals above anything else, so I have no idea why people think a wounded Levy won't be even worse to deal with than usual.

Point also remains that Kane is better for Spurs for that final season than them failing to make sound purchases with whatever money they got from his sale. Even if you're a shrewd club, the £75m or so Kane should be going for, doesn't go very far in a desolate striker market. If Kane was sold for the £100m+ Levy wants, the price of the brick will simply go up for them, so even relatively, it's not to their benefit selling the player. They are a poor club in the transfer market and they surely have some awareness of that, especially when balanced against the only sure thing they have at the club.

 

[dinostar77]

In all seriousness, Levy is getting grief and mocked from more angles than ever before. I should think this'll make him an even worse chairman to deal with as he tries to reestablish his own ideal of what dominance is.

He never works for the best interests of either player or the club, putting his ego, reputation and own ideals above anything else, so I have no idea why people think a wounded Levy won't be even worse to deal with than usual.

Point also remains that Kane is better for Spurs for that final season than them failing to make sound purchases with whatever money they got from his sale. Even if you're a shrewd club, the £75m or so Kane should be going for, doesn't go very far in a desolate striker market. If Kane was sold for the £100m+ Levy wants, the price of the brick will simply go up for them, so even relatively, it's not to their benefit selling the player. They are a poor club in the transfer market and they surely have some awareness of that, especially when balanced against the only sure thing they have at the club.

I dont think levy will sell. Spurs are average enough as they are (even though they are 5th in the league), imagine a spurs without kane's 25 goals a season? They'll be nowhere.

Kane would have to put in an official transfer request (which players hate doing as it for forefits all sorts of money owed to them). Then his agents would have to really spin the PR story about levy being ungrateful to kane / kane wants to move on to win trophies etc etc.

Its a tough extraction. For levy selling abroad would be an easier sell to the fans. Bayern / Madrid etc. Would kane go abroad though?

Personally, i see a 30 yr old kane, the same way as a 30 yr old benzema or 30 yr old leodowski. Basically id take any of them. Proven world class strikers.