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Manchester City 2:1 Manchester United

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Sat, 03 June 2023

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No idea why garnacho didn’t start ahead of sancho.
Another ghost like performance from him he is so fecking feeble I think my 8 year old could muscle him off the ball……
Because the way he plays he can’t sustain that for 90 minutes. He’s about the moments he creates. For 90 minutes you need Antony who is incredibly under appreciated
 

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City completely dominated the first 20 minutes of each half. Both times we fought back and it was more 50/50 after that which is at least something, but we really need to improve enough that we aren't getting utterly dominated for almost half the match.
 

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The amount of people on here saying "well at least we didn't get battered"... What a loser mentality! As soon as a fan base gets to this point that's the best they can hope for, you are irrelevant as a team. Whose is going to hold these players to account? Every single United player on that field today didn't have it today. Many looked unfit and their attempts at offense were amateurish at best. By the end there was no urgency and with a chance to tie inside the 6 yard box with seconds to play, nobody willed that ball into the net. Just pathetic. SAF and Beckham were right to look disgusted with that performance because they still care. Thats more than I can say for the players today.
Good post. I just feel secure in the fact that ETH doesn't also accept that apathy...
 

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Garnacho started vs Fulham and wasn't that good. Atm he's mostly been better as a sub than when starting games.
He could not have been as poor and ineffectual as sancho.
At least when he is playing walker will have to have half an eye on the ball over the top. I’d have started him personally.
If you are a defender, who would you be more worried about? Easy answer to that one.
 

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First goal is maybe not on De Gea but our defenders should not let Gundogan to get into shooting position there. Same about 2nd goal and also De Gea should do better on that goal. So surely they'll all be disappointed with themselves on that goals.

Season ends as it started - with a 2:1 defeat, but plenty of positives in between. How we do in transfer window is key now, it'll determine next season.

He could not have been as poor and ineffectual as sancho.
At least when he is playing walker will have to have half an eye on the ball over the top. I’d have started him personally.
If you are a defender, who would you be more worried about? Easy answer to that one.
I actually expected Sancho to start on right with Bruno on left as Sancho was decent as RW vs Chelsea and Fulham. Also don't think he was that bad today, for me Eriksen had the worst performance of them all.
 

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Pep + sportswashing is hard to compete with.

There are so many obvious areas that can be improved, and i'm sure Erik will address them. I think we did well considering we were technically and physically inferior.

To those who say it's a loser mentality; You can make a pig wear makeup, but it's still a pig.
 

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Game was always one sided, we didn't have a chance in hell. City even rested KDB and still we had no chance. They didn't need to even get out of second gear FFS. ETH thinking this season is a success is delusion. We just fecking lucky that Liverpool, Chelsea and even Spurs had off seasons. Needing a penalty to get back in the game but doing feck all after that... Fastest goal in fa cup history FFS.

Wtf are we going to do in champions league playing like that???
So not a united supporter then?
 

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Disappointed but the lads gave a fairly good account of themselves.

It's been a good season overall, we've broke our run without a trophy and back in the Champions League.
 

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Our xG probably comes from 0.8 or 0.9 xG penalty and the Garnacho shot that was pretty close. I think, it would be a mistake to just look at xG for this game and come to the conclusion that we did well against City but were unlucky with our GK...
We had other chances too. Rashford's shot had the keeper going the wrong way and went over. McTominay / Varane scramble headers were good chances.
 

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Also, the cnut who wore the Hillsborough shirt to the match will hopefully never walk through a turnstile again. Prick.
Totally agree with this, when things like this happen, people will always sing anti-Munich songs and it needs to stop.

Does anyone know: where did he get it from? If he had it made privately, he is an idiot - but if he got someone in the club shop to make it "....its for my grandad who is 97....." then someone in the club shop is an idiot and Man United might have some repercussions to deal with from the Football authorities.
 

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The amount of people on here saying "well at least we didn't get battered"... What a loser mentality! As soon as a fan base gets to this point that's the best they can hope for, you are irrelevant as a team. Whose is going to hold these players to account? Every single United player on that field today didn't have it today. Many looked unfit and their attempts at offense were amateurish at best. By the end there was no urgency and with a chance to tie inside the 6 yard box with seconds to play, nobody willed that ball into the net. Just pathetic. SAF and Beckham were right to look disgusted with that performance because they still care. Thats more than I can say for the players today.
We were playing the best-funded, best-managed and basically all round best side in world football. A lot of “experts” were predicting a thrashing. We conceded a goal after 12 seconds. After a ropey 10 minutes, we started to compete and gave them a game. Most of our players acquitted themselves well and Ten Haag got most of the decisions right. The second goal was disappointing but what exactly were you expecting given the disparity in resources available to the two managers? At most we were going to scrape an ugly win if we kept it tight. Unfortunately City scored early in both halves. United (and ETH) deserved a rocket for the Sevilla games but not today.
 

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It's funny when I was watching the pre-game stuff, they had Berbatov on and they asked him what would Sir Alex say to them before a big game. His response was "concentrate", don't make any errors as city will capitalize. That's exactly what happened, they scored with the only two mistakes we made defensively. Other than the goals they never really had a sniff at the goal. I think there's still a contingent in the team who doesn't have the mettle for the big occasions, notably Lindelof and Sancho from the starting 11 today. One of those was our worst player by far, the other I think is mostly at fault for the first goal.
 

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I don’t understand why he didn’t dive for the first.
I agree, but then again he hit it so hard maybe the speed and the fact it was 15 secs in the game caught him off. Nevertheless, he shpuld have done a lot better.
 

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We need players. How come we never ever shoot from 20 yards out except Rashford once today ,but generally no shots ,are they incapable? Surely a simple test instead of % forward passes nonsense. Goalkeeper is definitely needed De Gea is good but not good enough. We need a tall, strong, atheltic, non nonsense midfield baller. Greenwood and one other striker from the list. Thats 4 and you add Kim Min Jae , Martinez, Antony should see us a stronger outfit.
 

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Sancho and DDG continue their abysmal form. If they were City players they would definitely be dropped/sold.

Why do Utd tolerate mediocrity? It’s about raising the standards and not accepting guff. I guess you need to have oil money in order to cut your losses on expensive duds.
 

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On a positive note today showed when Antony isn't playing means we were constantly beating their left back on the outside and crossing balls in. :nono::nono:
 

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We were playing the best-funded, best-managed and basically all round best side in world football. A lot of “experts” were predicting a thrashing. We conceded a goal after 12 seconds. After a ropey 10 minutes, we started to compete and gave them a game. Most of our players acquitted themselves well and Ten Haag got most of the decisions right. The second goal was disappointing but what exactly were you expecting given the disparity in resources available to the two managers? At most we were going to scrape an ugly win if we kept it tight. Unfortunately City scored early in both halves. United (and ETH) deserved a rocket for the Sevilla games but not today.
Agree with this. Even EtH said that he was proud of our tactical discipline for most of the game. The quality of individual players, especially the attacking/creative players such as Sancho and Eriksen, just didn't show in the game though. We really lost it there and in a couple of soft goals.

It's not an excuse but our options from the bench, other than Garnacho, were very poor too.
 

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I think the opening of both halves was telling. We were not able to establish ourselves in the match and on both occasions left playing catch up. I can now see why Ten Hag may be interested in Adrein Rabiot. In comparison to Eriksen, he can offer more physicality on the ball. He can retain possession and can receive the ball on the half turn. These are essential attributes for creating fast transitions and trying to play penetrating passes up to the front line.

There were two phases of play where Eriksen could have played Rashford in the first when he did not switch the ball to the right. The second half, he attempted to take the ball on the half turn with the intention of playing the ball to his left, but he got dispossessed by Rodri. As much as I like Eriksen, he is a squad option going forward and this is an area that needs improving going towards the future.
 

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second goal...wtf was De Gea doing getting across so late but where was the defending...fuk me how do you give up a goal in 13 seconds from route one football
 

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We lost this game today because DeGea is poor at recycling possession, poor at playing out from the back, poor at kicking it long and now loses concentration a lot.

He lost us this final today.
 

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We lost this gane today because DeGea is poor at recycling possession, poor at playing out from the back, poor at kicking it long and now loses concentration a lot.

He lost us this final today.
like this...

 

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The fact that we allowed 2 garbage goals that ended up making the difference is infuriating. I only hope it will drive us mad rather than deflate us ahead of next season. We had our chances, but we looked totally clueless in the final third. That problem has to be solved before we begin pre-season in July.

While I understand why we started with 4 midfielders, including Bruno on the right, it was just so hard to watch Eriksen looking completely out of his depth. This game was simply not his cup of tea at all, especially not with how many minutes he racked up this season.

The back 4 did fairly well except for that silly floater that Lindelof served on a plate for Gundogan. I only hope Inter were watching because there is clearly a way to make Haaland look totally ineffective; we achieved that in 2 out of 3 games against him so far.

De Gea is already facing deserved criticism on the second goal. So I won't go there any further except for saying that I hope we find someone else to properly compete for the number 1 job just like when we used to have Sergio Romero.

No idea why garnacho didn’t start ahead of sancho.
Another ghost like performance from him he is so fecking feeble I think my 8 year old could muscle him off the ball……
The whole pub was pissed off at Sancho, I swear to God. I can understand that Garnacho is still more useful as a substitute, but there comes a moment when we obviously have to give the kid a shot at learning how to last longer on the pitch rather than persisting with a dead horse (Sancho).

I hope Dortmund will take Sancho back because he's totally finished in England, just like the other Bundesliga failures who went to Chelsea in the last 3-4 years.
 

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City brought in Foden,Mahrez ,Laporte and we brought in McT and Wout. If we had someone competent instead of McT, he would have scored that

How many chances City had ? If we had a better subs, we would have won it.

How do we concede goals like this ? Gundagon very similar place, no one tracking him 2 times. How did DDG miss it? It was coming very slow .

Anyways , the summer is very key.
 

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Considering everyone including our own fans thought we were going to get thumped the performance today was reasonably good.

Haaland was barely a threat and they only won through two great goals rather than having loads of amazing chances.

Some of our best players disappointed a bit ie, Bruno, Eriksen and Rashford. Sancho was horrendous and should have been hooked at half time. Garnacho was brilliant as was Casemiro. Varane, AWB and Lindelof solid against a very threatening City front line.

Overall I feel like we did better than expected and on another day could have nicked it.

It’s also worth pointing out that City had a full strength squad while we had three of our first eleven out who could have made the difference today.

They’re just the better team right now, but I feel like most of the lads and Ten Hag can hold their heads high after this one and use the defeat as motivation to do better next season.

PS. feck City and their inevitable plastic treble.
 

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On a positive note today showed when Antony isn't playing means we were constantly beating their left back on the outside and crossing balls in. :nono::nono:
But it also meant that Sancho played so overall a significant net negative.
 

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We had other chances too. Rashford's shot had the keeper going the wrong way and went over. McTominay / Varane scramble headers were good chances.
The best chance was probably Rashford's header, he should have done much better with that
 

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I just can't believe we got beat off them berties in a cup final.
It is my biggest nightmare come true.
 

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100% is the 2nd priority after striker. CM after him. You can't control a game with your goalkeeper punting the ball away every 2 seconds. You can't withstand pressure if your goalkeeper is useless at dealing with set pieces and dealing with high balls. So many issues with him these days. His shot stopping, his once only elite attribute, is now painfully average. That was the difference today unfortunately, well that and not having someone put the ball in the net at the other end.
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His header in the first half?!? He was about 4 yards further out than the penalty spot.
No he was 4 yards further away from the goal with his attempt, not saying he should have scored but the keeper should have had to so something
 

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After having a few hours to reflect, I am still gutted. Ffs, would have rather been battered than lose in that fashion. Was their for the taking.

Our options off the bench were hilarious though.
 

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We lost this game today because DeGea is poor at recycling possession, poor at playing out from the back, poor at kicking it long and now loses concentration a lot.

He lost us this final today.
100% this, someone give the man a ‘like’.

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We didn't though. He was poor on the second but long before it even got to him, so many errors from others that shouldn't have happened. Once all those in front of him have failed to do their job he is absolutely at fault because he should have saved it. He even got a hand to it and given it was weak shot, there's no explanation for why he didn't save it. But it's a save he shouldn't have had to make.

The first one was just one of those.
it’s not so much the saves.

The first is not his fault at all. The second he should save, but it’s as you say.

His true failing as ever was distribution.

Ortega played a vital role in the first goal and controlled possession for them all game. DDG as always constantly gave it away and put us under pressure, he certainly never helped us build any pressure of our own.

He is the highest paid keeper in the world and he’s fecking average at best.

Given us great service and arguably a club legend, but can we all accept that he should be playing for fecking Malaga at this point and not United!!
 
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We're not exactly flush with striking options right now. Martial injured, Greenwood out of the story.
1 goal Weigy, or Sancho / Garnacho utterly out of position!?
Or Maguire up front
 

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Well that's the season over with. Think we'll be fine next season. City won't have it all their own way. Sick of the constant fawning over the fraud and that cheating club.
 

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