These discussions are dull, on one hand yeah I don’t like it, on the other I would have despised this idea 10 years ago. 15-20 years ago, I’d stop following the club entirely. So what I’m getting here to, we are coming to a point where in the next 5 years this trend of billionaires buying and investing in clubs might just as well continue and us being stuck with any form of hindrance as owners means serious consequences.
Would you be okay with state or state-backed ownership?
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So after 5 years of taking the Qatar Airways money they are doing 'the right thing' - how honourable
Excellent post.
They were going to extend, so its a win for the supporters and human rights.So after 5 years of taking the Qatar Airways money they are doing 'the right thing' - how honourable
Is it? How exactly does this help the HR situation in Qatar?
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Not sure that’s what happened mate…
Exactly what happened. I remember when it started weeks ago.
There are suggestions it was the Qatar end that made the call. It certainly seems likely the result of the protests though.
Doubt it, that club is owned partially by the fans is it not?
Aren‘t you getting tired of all that sand in your mouth and eyes?
Bayern wanted to continue the deal, it was the emir of Qatar that pulled the plug on it himself.
I’m just questioning whether what you’re claiming is accurate.
You seem obsessed with this angle on everything to do with Qatar.
It prevents you from having decent conversation imo. No disrespect intended.
I just got back from a week in Doha, and honestly, it was absolutely brilliant!
Yes, so we can spend million every summer like City.
I could say the same about you, you seem obsessed with defending Qatar.
Yeah I think it is a very bad idea, but I‘m not making stuff up. That sand must be very warm.
I think the human rights angle is pretty much dead at this point. Middle Eastern nations have been investing in western clubs (for whatever reason) for the past 15 years so this would be the latest iteration. Its going to become the norm in years to come.
What issues am I ‘defending Qatar’ on?
I’ve been very vocal about the Qatari government’s behaviour many, many times mate.
Because I won’t pin those actions onto Jassim isn’t ‘defending Qatar’ in any way, shape or form.
How many clubs have they invested in? It must be a fraction of a percentage point, so how can you think that that is the new norm?
No we should tell them to take a hike.
Jassim=Qatar, believing otherwise is naive. Nothing major happens in Qatar without the State giving the go-ahead, it is an autocratic state. Same as Russia.
Jassim is not Qatar has been your line, which is ridiculous. He is the son of the Emir.
They've invested in several of the prominent ones, and now that the UAE, Saudi, and possibly soon Qatar will each have clubs, I expect football to turn into a microcosm for regional Middle Eastern competition and bragging rights among the Saudis, Emiratis, and Qataris (and soon to probably be joined by more Saudis and Dubai). State ownership is going to be the norm in the coming years. The Saudis will probably siphon off a fair number of European players to populate their Saudi league as well. That's where the money is, so unless European nations change their national policies about foreigners buying clubs, this sort of thing will only proliferate down the road.
He is?
Ah we'll probably be able to spend more than a million I'd say
Its not just another "iteration" its an insane seismic shift United aint these other clubs, theres not only the history and romance theres also the sheer size and global reach to consider it would be like Madrid getting bought out.
It's ok if you bought our lands, our property, our guns, but stay out of our football club?
For the sizeable amount of fans who are against this - we need to think how we will mobilise and protest.
I’ve seen videos of the Bayern fans protesting - we need to be doing similar. I will certainly attend any protest. I will ensure I’m on social media and sites like this constantly highlighting the issue, I’d expect others to do the same. We mustn’t let this happen with a whimper.
I’ve seen videos of the Bayern fans protesting - we need to be doing similar. I will certainly attend any protest. I will ensure I’m on social media and sites like this constantly highlighting the issue, I’d expect others to do the same. We mustn’t let this happen with a whimper.
, but you're ok with being a dictatorship state, with poor human rights records, owned sportswashing tool? As long as the club is well run?
Middle Eastern ownership doesn’t equal cheating mate.
City chose to cheat, Utd could cheat with the Glazers if the Glazers wanted to pump money into the club.
Indeed, it’s perfectly possible that Ratcliffe could cheat FFP if he’s so inclined.
Utd have a lot less need to do what City did as we’re a huge club that generates A LOT of money.
This world....
If we ignore all the parts where you made stuff up.
This is such a stupid argument.
We (England/the UK) are hated by most of the world due to the empire and actions In the Middle East so we aren’t exactly some paragons of virtue.
Our nation and many of the businesses we give our custom to are owned by Qatar and/or other “dictatorship states”.
Our nation and many of the other nations that are allegedly fine, shamelessly court these dictatorship states for their money and influence on the political stage.
However, you are worried about letting them own a football club and would appear to be prepared to continue with the Glazers to avoid that eventuality…
It’s stupid and naive.
That’s certainly an interesting choice of words. As dead as migrant workers building stadiums for Qatar?
I'd take Kim Jong Un if it meant getting rid of the Glazers and we were run properly.
How long was the original contract for?So after 5 years of taking the Qatar Airways money they are doing 'the right thing' - how honourable
Been saying this for years, European football is destined to become nothing more than a middle eastern state pissing contest.
5 years so it ran it's course
Thanks for providing some refreshing perspective from outside the bubble supporters of big clubs reside blissfully
If you are going to have a strong opinion make sure you can back it up. I can.
Yup, son of the former emir, and he was first in line to become the next one. Part of the royal family, it‘s difficult to square him being independent from the Qatar state.
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Total nonsense - making it all up as you go along
The Sheikh Jassim bidding for our club is a distant relative of the current and former Emir - he was never anywhere near being in line to the throne of Qatar and has never held any state role
This has been clarified many times in many threads, crazy that this far down the line there are still such ignorant posts
So, what you are saying is that two wrongs actually DO make a right?
Similar name, but you’re looking at Jassim bin Hamad Al Thani.
The one buying United is the son of former prime minister HBJ (Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber Al Thani), who is a massive figure in Qatari politics and has undoubtably gained substantial wealth due to his connection to the state. Also lots of it (allegedly) through some pretty dodgy stuff. Maybe he’ll drop off some suitcases of cash to help fund out transfers?
We’ve already matched, even surpassed their spending.
It’s how we spend it. We need structural reorganising and competent people in important roles.