For 300k a week he better play like it or else I'll be one of those fan who would call him out after every bad performance.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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He also had the most G+A during his time here until recently. If I remember correctly it was Bruno who surpassed him but I could be wrong. But it was still surprising how productive he was even though he mostly played out wide and the last time he had played more than 2000 minutes in the premier league was 2015/2016. If Mount can replicate that, I think he will be a very successful signing.
Managers love him and I trust EtH's judgment. I remember thinking Southgate was foolish in persisting with him over some of the other players at one of the more recent tournaments but he's clearly got something that managers like (workrate being an obvious outstanding attribute)
Against weaker opponents i can see him operating in the 8 role but against the better ones he or Bruno could easily operate on the wing and another more defensive player could go alongside Casemiro. It gives more options.
Against weaker opponents i can see him operating in the 8 role but against the better ones he or Bruno could easily operate on the wing and another more defensive player could go alongside Casemiro. It gives more options.
He has all the qualities to play there. May be aerially he is weak other than that he has all the traits to play as a midfielder especially a no.8.
Passing,movement, pressing, long diagonals, switch play,through balls, crosses, strong in possession, rarely lose possession when under pressure he has all. He is decent two footer as well can make decent pass with either foot and has good shot with both feets.
You got the better deal than arsenal with mount.
If he gets those 300k, that will be the sign he plays great. Otherwise he is not getting that.
I'm pleased with this transfer because I rate him quite highly.
He's not as erratic as Bruno, so it's perfect for him to sit in the middle of the park while Bruno occupy more advanced position, near the box or wide.
His price may be an issue for some, but I honestly think we couldn't get him cheaper in different scenarios.
If he doesn't want to renew his contract with Chelsea, I can imagine the battle that we will face to get his signature next season.
Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool, Man City, Inter, will circle around him. There's no way our proposal will be more attractive considering our current state.
He's not as erratic as Bruno, so it's perfect for him to sit in the middle of the park while Bruno occupy more advanced position, near the box or wide.
His price may be an issue for some, but I honestly think we couldn't get him cheaper in different scenarios.
If he doesn't want to renew his contract with Chelsea, I can imagine the battle that we will face to get his signature next season.
Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool, Man City, Inter, will circle around him. There's no way our proposal will be more attractive considering our current state.
Let me add some context his stats at the time were amazing because he played over 100 games for Chelsea in those 2 seasons
2011-12 54 games 12g 20a
2012-13 64 games 19g 35a
He was their main set piece taker at the time just like Mount was their main set piece taker
Do we have anyone worthwhile who could actually do this?
That example means nothing, because Mata was a great player used mostly wrong in our team.
Nah clearly not Mount is English brother
The context you offered is that he had 87 goal contributions from 118 appearences on their midfield. Pretty amazing.
Can we assume he will take over Eriksen's starting place?
It's starting to look like a bit of a trend with Arsenal buying Havertz and looking to deploy him in midfield and the same happening with us and Mount. I remember people questioning City when they deployed a midfield with a defensive one in Fernandinho and 2 offensive players in David Silva and KdB. I know those are different with their quality in possession but we could be seeing a tactical shift next season with midfield balance being compensated with full backs and centre backs allowing for more freedom centrally.
I'm as unhappy with the wages as your standard Murtough out guy but let's look at the positives:
Midfields need to contain a variety of skillsets to solve different problems. Vision, workrate, tackling, playmaking / dictating tempo, ball carrying, short passing, switches of play, rotations + crossing from the half space and also less quantifiable things like movement, awareness of space, pure grit / determination etc.
We can't really talk about the less quantifiable things, they devolve into judgement calls.
For the things we can quantify, put them in a matrix and put in check marks on how you believe that skillset is addressed. e.g.,
For the data viz folks here, I'd really appreciate if someone could put together one of those radar graphs with each of this combos.
And this is not a one-size fits all thing - the manager will pick and chose based on the opposition, in-game situation etc. Some games need more energy, some games need us to have more defensive workrate / tackling, some games you're chasing and need very little defensive workrate etc. Mount just gives him a different tool to solve a tactical problem. One that we previously did not have.
For me, Mount + Bruno + Casemiro checks the most boxes you want from a starting midfield. The role of a midfield orchestrator is the glaring gap - we don't have a Thiago or a Rodri or a Enzo or a Jorginho - so the responsibility falls on all of the midfield players. I agree with the people claiming Ten Hag is not a Pep clone, he's more similar to Klopp. He is happy to counter press well, kill teams on attacking transitions that result.
I would prefer we eventually replace Casemiro eventually with someone like a Carrick or Rodri but time will tell.
Midfields need to contain a variety of skillsets to solve different problems. Vision, workrate, tackling, playmaking / dictating tempo, ball carrying, short passing, switches of play, rotations + crossing from the half space and also less quantifiable things like movement, awareness of space, pure grit / determination etc.
We can't really talk about the less quantifiable things, they devolve into judgement calls.
For the things we can quantify, put them in a matrix and put in check marks on how you believe that skillset is addressed. e.g.,
| Combo | Vision | Workrate | Tackling | Playmaking | Ball Carrying (+ ability to turn in tight spaces) | Short Passing | Switches of play | rotations / crossing from the half space |
| Fred / Bruno / Case | ||||||||
| Eriksen / Bruno / Case | ||||||||
| Your favorite midfield pairing |
For the data viz folks here, I'd really appreciate if someone could put together one of those radar graphs with each of this combos.
And this is not a one-size fits all thing - the manager will pick and chose based on the opposition, in-game situation etc. Some games need more energy, some games need us to have more defensive workrate / tackling, some games you're chasing and need very little defensive workrate etc. Mount just gives him a different tool to solve a tactical problem. One that we previously did not have.
For me, Mount + Bruno + Casemiro checks the most boxes you want from a starting midfield. The role of a midfield orchestrator is the glaring gap - we don't have a Thiago or a Rodri or a Enzo or a Jorginho - so the responsibility falls on all of the midfield players. I agree with the people claiming Ten Hag is not a Pep clone, he's more similar to Klopp. He is happy to counter press well, kill teams on attacking transitions that result.
I would prefer we eventually replace Casemiro eventually with someone like a Carrick or Rodri but time will tell.
As if I work at the club
Brilliant signing. Good price.
Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes is a midfield with a lot of energy and pressing ability. Also very technically accomplished too. Mount will add a lot of legs to the middle of the park and a great balance between defensive nous and attacking impetus. I like this signing a lot. More than anything, what ETH will get from this signing is a player who follows instructions very well, works really hard, is tactically astute, and can really ping a pass. Another goal threat from midfield too. With Eriksen as fourth choice, for the first time in a long time, we have an abundance of quality in midfield. And a lot of variety that compliments itself well.
Very happy to have gotten this over the line early so he can have a full preseason with the squad. Now I’d love us to sign another defender, one who can play rb and cb preferably - Pavard fits the bill perfectly - and of course, the thing we need the most - a striker. Onana to replace De Gea. At that point I am happy with the squad for now.
Outgoings wise, Maguire, AWB, one of McFred, VdB, Telles all need to be moved on. In the case of AWB it is only to make room for a better and more versatile player in Pavard. If he isn’t coming, I’d keep AWB. Greenwood should go out on loan, as should Pellestri. Hannibal should be sold, along with Henderson while their value is fairly high. Put a buy back clause in Hannibal’s deal. Sancho is last chance saloon and only stays because of the FFP situation. Martial stays because we have no strikers.
Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes is a midfield with a lot of energy and pressing ability. Also very technically accomplished too. Mount will add a lot of legs to the middle of the park and a great balance between defensive nous and attacking impetus. I like this signing a lot. More than anything, what ETH will get from this signing is a player who follows instructions very well, works really hard, is tactically astute, and can really ping a pass. Another goal threat from midfield too. With Eriksen as fourth choice, for the first time in a long time, we have an abundance of quality in midfield. And a lot of variety that compliments itself well.
Very happy to have gotten this over the line early so he can have a full preseason with the squad. Now I’d love us to sign another defender, one who can play rb and cb preferably - Pavard fits the bill perfectly - and of course, the thing we need the most - a striker. Onana to replace De Gea. At that point I am happy with the squad for now.
Outgoings wise, Maguire, AWB, one of McFred, VdB, Telles all need to be moved on. In the case of AWB it is only to make room for a better and more versatile player in Pavard. If he isn’t coming, I’d keep AWB. Greenwood should go out on loan, as should Pellestri. Hannibal should be sold, along with Henderson while their value is fairly high. Put a buy back clause in Hannibal’s deal. Sancho is last chance saloon and only stays because of the FFP situation. Martial stays because we have no strikers.
Again, we will pay for the 'Man Utd tax' on transfer. Pathetic!
No back-up for Casemiro?The quality of our play drops off like a rock the moment Casemiro doesn't play.
It's one of those signings where I'm not disappointed, but I'm not exactly excited about it either.
Is he a good player? Yes. Does he improve the overall quality of the squad? Yes. Does he turn us into title and/or CL contenders? No.
Signing a Rice or a Kane would, in my opinion, but not Mount. A decent signing, but we need more than him.
Is he a good player? Yes. Does he improve the overall quality of the squad? Yes. Does he turn us into title and/or CL contenders? No.
Signing a Rice or a Kane would, in my opinion, but not Mount. A decent signing, but we need more than him.
If you believe signing Declan Rice would turn us into Premier League or Champions League winners I reckon you need to watch a bit more Declan Rice.
We already have someone who plays the same role as Rice just to a dramatically higher level. We have no one who can do what Mount will do for us nearly as well.
RedCafe history at judging players:
- Blind: lacking pace and will struggle to defend (ended up playing as LB and CB equally well)
- Schmidfield: very balanced midfield, sorted for years to come while we're looking for Schweinsteiger/Carrick replacements (shite midfield, one of them watched tennis more than playing football)
- Pogba: return of the prince, one of the best midfielders in the world (never actually reached that point with United)
- Sanchez: will make us a challenger, the piano is worth it (played like a drunken midget, the piano isn't worth it)
- Lukaku: will score loads of goals against minnows (didn't happen)
- Ronaldo: we'll challenge for the league (club almost got disbanded because of this fecker alone)
- Licha: too small, will struggle against tall players (sent CF 1.5 times bigger than him flying and bullied Vardy)
- Casemiro: no longer a top midfielder, too lighweight (our most important midfielder last season only ruined by red cards)
- Mason Mount: too expensive, nothing special (despite being unobtainable just a year ago, Ten Hag & Klopp wants him and he's won the CL)
Signing a Rice or a Kane alone won't make us contenders either. But signing a Mount, one of the many missing pieces in the puzzle -- will allow us to go after a better-quality striker and other positions.
We are never going to be contenders next season. Compete maybe.
Last season we got the skeleton of what ETH needs. In this coming window hopefully, we will plug in the gaps. And then following summer window, we build squad-depth and only then can we be contenders.
My biggest confusion is who exactly is paying for these new players in the middle of a takeover? The glazers? Even though they might be selling. The new owners? What new owners...
I think Rice is an amazing player, I think he's going to tear it up at Arsenal next season. Maybe I'm overrating him, but on the other hand I think he's underrated on this forum.
At United, I wouldn't see him in Casemiro's role, I'd see him as a box-to-box midfielder with a license to get forward and join the attack.
Hey, I could be wrong and he might be an absolute flop at Arsenal next season, and I'll be back on here saying "thank God we didn't sign that donkey", but right now I don't envisage that.
I am looking forward to seeing how Mount does for us next season though.
I think you overrate Rice and also underrated how far we are from a Premier League challenge.
Also Casemiro is a better passer, bigger goal threat and better technical player than Rice so the idea that he would be the sitter if him and Rice played together is kind of weird.
The player he isn't better at those things than is Mount. Who is also excellent defensively so fits much better.
That's how you win things generally by building a team that fits together well.
I'm not unhappy about Mount signing, just not overly excited, that's all. I get that he strengthens the squad, all of that.
But signing Kane in the morning would turn us into CL contenders at least. Overnight. I don't think people are getting that. There are not that many great teams in Europe at the moment. A mediocre Inter team reached the final and would have won it if they had Kane up front instead of any of Dzeko, Lautaro or that absolute donkey Lukaku.
Mount is a good signing. But we do need a backup for Casemiro
No offence bud but I hate when people say "the Glazers are paying for this", "the Glazers are paying for that".
The Glazers pay for f**k all. They didn't put a penny of their own money into the club and any money that's spent is the club's money, not out of their pocket.
The club has its own money to pay for some signings. By all account we don't have a ton in free cash to pay too much upfront but if there is a small upfront amount with large follow on payments then that's something the club can most definitely do. Although, if we end up making a couple of more signings quickly then I think that would signal that the ownership bit has been resolved and either the new owners or Glazers remaining as current owners have sanctioned using some of our credit facility.
Transfer budgets are all planned for each financial year with some variance.
300k per week? Surely not.
Imo we'd need to fix our first XI before thinking about backups. Especially with a limited budget.
The club is paying for them using funds allocated for transfers in their budget.
£60m for Mount. The world really has gone crazy.
He better come out good because if not after the likes of Sancho, Antony, Lukaku etc for big money we really will need to just bin our whole transfer department and start afresh.
He better come out good because if not after the likes of Sancho, Antony, Lukaku etc for big money we really will need to just bin our whole transfer department and start afresh.
55m with 5m add-ons that if achieved we will all be happy.
Yes, but he will play in central midfield for us. I've seen it this year, and signing Mount instead of classic central midfielder means that our style of football will be pretty similar to last year, because him, Casemiro and Bruno aren't midfielders that will play posession football but rather quick transition.
So we will play against central midfielder. Which succesful team plays with two attacking midfielders in midfield?
A stupid statement. Didn’t he win the CL with Chelsea? Played a big role that season. You wouldn’t think the likes of Henderson would play a key role in the scousers winning the league but he did.
City?
Ok done. Next
I’ve only seen Chelsea fans Moan about Mount leaving. I’ve not seen them to bothered about Kovacic, koulibaly etc. says a lot really.
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