If we lose Martial who should we buy as a backup striker?

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We can't afford to lose Martial. We have one striker and he's a raw kid who hasn't even played for the club yet, plus Rashford who can cover there but it's not his best position. No chance of making that work over nine months. Even if Martial is only available half the season, that's still half a season more than having no-one.

If we sold him, we'd get, what...15M maybe? And it would cost us four times that - at least - to get someone of even reasonable abillity. Better keeping him around as an extra body for this season
 

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There’s no point selling Martial if we are gonna get another Weghorst in. The only reason to sell if if we get a decent offer AND we can find a competent second choice striker. Whatever we think about Martial, when he’s fit he’s not a terrible player and so you want someone at least as good as that base level.
 

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There’s no point selling Martial if we are gonna get another Weghorst in. The only reason to sell if if we get a decent offer AND we can find a competent second choice striker. Whatever we think about Martial, when he’s fit he’s not a terrible player and so you want someone at least as good as that base level.
Yeah I think the issue is that we would probably have to pay to let him go.

He's on the last year of his contract and his wages are HUGE. I know we talk about struggling to sell because of wages but Martial is the biggest example of that. No club that can afford 250k a week is signing him and so we will end up having to pay most of his contract anyway.

Even if we sign a cheap striker for an extra body we may as well keep Martial.
 

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Ermm, that’s 7 players you have there not 8.
  1. Rashford
  2. Hojlund
  3. Sancho
  4. Garnacho
  5. Antony
  6. Amad
  7. Greenwood
But Greenwood can’t be counted because neither has a decision been made for his future nor is he ready in any way to contribute to the first team. Not after not training with a team or playing football for 19 months.

That means 6 players for 3 forward positions, if Martial leaves. With many young and inexperienced players in there. It’s avery young forward line. The oldest one in it is literally Rashford at 25.

I’m not saying we should keep Martial if there’s a way out for him. But adding a veteran striker as replacement, wouldn’t be the worst decision.
add to that Rasmus is injurd for a month and would need time to get used to the team and the league. In addition Amad is out as week so potentially that would leave us with 4 players ready to play the first couple of games
 

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Ermm, that’s 7 players you have there not 8.
  1. Rashford
  2. Hojlund
  3. Sancho
  4. Garnacho
  5. Antony
  6. Amad
  7. Greenwood
But Greenwood can’t be counted because neither has a decision been made for his future nor is he ready in any way to contribute to the first team. Not after not training with a team or playing football for 19 months.

That means 6 players for 3 forward positions, if Martial leaves. With many young and inexperienced players in there. It’s avery young forward line. The oldest one in it is literally Rashford at 25.

I’m not saying we should keep Martial if there’s a way out for him. But adding a veteran striker as replacement, wouldn’t be the worst decision.
You are right, I must have miscounted that. But the fact we have more than 6 or 7 young and talented forwards fighting for front 3, I think its more than enough. I mean let's look at City front 3:

LW: Grealish, Foden, Palmer
CF: Haaland, Alvarez, Foden
RW: Alvarez, Silva, Foden, Palmer

They only have 6 players there, with even less options than us, but thats not stopping them from winning the treble last season and they are about to challenge for all fronts again this season.
 

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Andy Goldstein on talkSPORT all this week has been going on about. He’s been told we are after another striker and already working on the deal. I know talkSPORT is full of shit he’s not want to usually make up this kind of in the know stuff, he wrote the strikers name down and showed Darren Bent and said look this I’ll come to you can tell them if I’m right or wrong after the transfer window. Probably just wishful thinking on my behalf, but I hope it’s true.
This was clearly just to get listeners
 

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You don't know what you saw or heard (and neither do I, or anyone else here,). The accuser has thrown the veracity of all of this apparently conclusive evidence into question, sufficiently for the CPS to accept that they wouldn't be able to take a case forward. If a witness tells you they constructed and misrepresented AV materials respectively, then they might of course be covering something up in turn to protect a partner, but you (and everyone who viewed/heard) that material has to at least strongly consider whether it might not indeed have been manipulated. There's a reason why we've constructed systems of law that go beyond 'they're obviously guilty' or 'simple common sense' or ' you know, of course he did it...' Unfortunately the court of social media and associated, long-standing public hysteria hasn't caught up to this yet. But they're not standards of judgement that any of us should be subject to - what if you aggrieved your partner and they then created a fake audio file in which ' you' stated you were going to kill them, or uttered racial slurs, and posted this on social media? Would you want the world to listen to that audio and and take it as unimpeachable fact without enquiring more deeply into the circumstances. I'm not saying that happened here - in fact I think it's very unlikely - but even the least techsavvy (millennial or gen z person in particular) has access to mobile app tech that can create the most lifelike images or voice conversations.

You can, say, argue that domestic abuse is a serious thing that ought to be addressed at the level of law and stricter sentences as well as pushing back against misogynistic influencers essentially condoning this, whilst also arguing that lots of people are jumping on the MG 'case' for their own clicks or validation and virtue-signalling (or just as oppos) or to get funding for their organizations. Both of those things can be true at the same time. MG can be someone with a history of toxic behaviour and also a scapegoat who isn't guilty of the criminal charges which were levied against him and who has reunited with his partner. Again, both things can be true.

None of that is to suggest that the initial conclusion wasn't true, but you cant pre-emptively convict someone based on that, nor terminate their contract based upon a supposition (at least not someone with proper employment protection, like a footballer, unlike your average agency worker , say ). There's plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest MG was an awful boyfriend and even verbally abusive at the time, but you cant terminate a contract purely over that (it depends, of course, what can be unequivocally attributed to him). You can treat it like a PR issue combined with a disciplinary issue, with the player offering suitable contrition, much like we've had players elsewhere do community service or take fines or 'make up' for using racial slurs or bringing their club/the game into disrepute etc. But at the moment it's a kangaroo court via twitter and protest...
You've made some very good points and I don't actually disagree with what you say.
I've made the point regarding digital manipulation in relation to this particular matter to people in real life (ie not online) when discussing it.
It's the reason why I stated "we are lead to believe" and used quotation marks around the word "evidence".
My thinking though would be that IF what was presented online that day (and subsequently widely reported online and in mainstream print and broadcast material) had been faked entirely or manipulated in some way either by the alleged "victim" or by others with bad intentions then surely the authorities' digital forensics experts would have tested that as part of the initial investigation.
If found to be genuine and neither faked or manipulated then that would surely have been a material part of the prosecution's case against the defendant alongside the alleged victim's first hand witness testimony.
If found to have be faked or manipulated by the initial complainant then they would surely have faced police action for wasting their time amongst other possible charges.
If found to be faked or manipulated by others outside of the alleged victim and perpetrator then there would surely have been a police investigation into that.
As far as I'm aware we've heard nothing to either effect so we are left with what was seen and heard online which forms the root of my thinking and I'm sure that of many others.
Again, as far as I'm aware, the only reason the case was dropped by the CPS is because, we are lead to believe, the alleged victim/complainant decided against testifying, withdrew the complaint or whatever and apparently new evidence came to light......the details of which I'm not sure were ever made public.
I appreciate your in depth reply, good stuff!
 

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If we *lose* the valuable services of Martial, then I think we stick with Rashford and Hojlund. Don't think we'll buy anyone else. So essentially we'll be in the same situation we're in with Martial here.
 

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If we *lose* the valuable services of Martial, then I think we stick with Rashford and Hojlund. Don't think we'll buy anyone else. So essentially we'll be in the same situation we're in with Martial here.
Why we aren't loaning or picking up a no 9 on a free/cheap deal is totally beyond me. Would have meant we could keep Rashford in his favoured position off the left. Clearly Tony can't be trusted with his fitness so find it bizarre decision.
 

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Martial won't be sold because nobody will buy him. Don't forget *redacted* is coming back too. So that's four / five centre forwards if you include Rashford and Sancho.
 

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Why we aren't loaning or picking up a no 9 on a free/cheap deal is totally beyond me. Would have meant we could keep Rashford in his favoured position off the left. Clearly Tony can't be trusted with his fitness so find it bizarre decision.
It's baffling. The only thing I can think is that they don't see the problem somehow. I have a suspicion that we'll see it too late, and end up having to do exactly this (again) in the January window.
 

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You are right, I must have miscounted that. But the fact we have more than 6 or 7 young and talented forwards fighting for front 3, I think its more than enough. I mean let's look at City front 3:

LW: Grealish, Foden, Palmer
CF: Haaland, Alvarez, Foden
RW: Alvarez, Silva, Foden, Palmer

They only have 6 players there, with even less options than us, but thats not stopping them from winning the treble last season and they are about to challenge for all fronts again this season.
City might still sign someone, the transfer window isn’t over. They had 7 players last season with Mahrez. Palmer was used sparingly, kinda like how I expect Amad to be used. Or how Pellistri was used last season.
 

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United will lose at least 10% of it's fanbase reintegrating Greenwood.
More like 0.0000001% if that. Who would they follow that has never had players who have done awful things? Most clubs have. What he (sounded like) he did was really bad, but other players have gone as far as ending someone's life and still have a career. Sucks, but it's how things are.
 

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Last season we rellied on a 36 y.o egoistical past-it superstar and a perma-crock to lead our line, this season we relly on a 20 y.o unproven kid and the very same perma-crock to lead it, honestly i dont know which one of those set of strikers is worse but i can tell you ain't no way SAF would let that happen, ain't no way he would go into another season without another proven goal-scorer in his team. I just don't understand this club, feels like it's mandatory to make our managers task to be even harder. We didn't get Ole a single DM in his 3 years tenure with us (didnt give him proper striker too!), now we are doing the same thing to ETH?! We should sign a new striker regardless of hojlund perform or whether martial leaves or not. strikers win us games.
 

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More like 0.0000001% if that. Who would they follow that has never had players who have done awful things? Most clubs have. What he (sounded like) he did was really bad, but other players have gone as far as ending someone's life and still have a career. Sucks, but it's how things are.
0.0000001% of 659000000 is 0.659 fans. I reckon United will lose more than one whole fan by playing a rapist.
 

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It's baffling. The only thing I can think is that they don't see the problem somehow. I have a suspicion that we'll see it too late, and end up having to do exactly this (again) in the January window.
I could wait if we got Toney then
 

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Martial won't be sold because nobody will buy him. Don't forget *redacted* is coming back too. So that's four / five centre forwards if you include Rashford and Sancho.
CF for me is only down the middle whereas the others are what I call wide strikers
 

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CF for me is only down the middle whereas the others are what I call wide strikers
Sancho has been played central all pre-season so I think that it a clue to where Ten Hag sees him all season. Rashford will play central on Monday and did for parts last season. They are definitely wide forwards but will find themselves playing centrally for parts of this season.
 

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Yeah I think the issue is that we would probably have to pay to let him go.

He's on the last year of his contract and his wages are HUGE. I know we talk about struggling to sell because of wages but Martial is the biggest example of that. No club that can afford 250k a week is signing him and so we will end up having to pay most of his contract anyway.

Even if we sign a cheap striker for an extra body we may as well keep Martial.
People need to realise he only makes 250k a week under very specific circumstances. And the papers only list it as 250k by splitting his end of year bonuses in to his weekly wage to sensationalise it. Given he barely plays, has a mediocre scoring record and we didn’t win the league or champions league I doubt he gets anywhere near that targets to receive his full bonus.

Anyway if he goes i’d Imagine MG will be the one or maybe a cheeky bid for Gift Orban. Just roll the dice on you g strikers for the season.
 

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People need to realise he only makes 250k a week under very specific circumstances. And the papers only list it as 250k by splitting his end of year bonuses in to his weekly wage to sensationalise it. Given he barely plays, has a mediocre scoring record and we didn’t win the league or champions league I doubt he gets anywhere near that targets to receive his full bonus.

Anyway if he goes i’d Imagine MG will be the one or maybe a cheeky bid for Gift Orban. Just roll the dice on you g strikers for the season.
Orban would be a good investment, but Tottenham seem very keen, just got a windfall, and better able to guarantee him 1st team place rather than rotating...
 

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I don't like Martial but selling him now will be stupid. He's going to leave on free next year anyway. Let him play this season as we don't have time nor money to buy another striker.
 

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I could wait if we got Toney then
I can see this happening.

See how Rashford’s, Hojlund, Gwood, Sancho get along - then go for Toney in January?

Only thing is if Toney has lost match fitness- but should be good enough after only 3 months out.

Toney has such a short goalscoring deadly strikers name.

Him at United or Arsenal seems really old school cool.
 

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People need to realise he only makes 250k a week under very specific circumstances. And the papers only list it as 250k by splitting his end of year bonuses in to his weekly wage to sensationalise it. Given he barely plays, has a mediocre scoring record and we didn’t win the league or champions league I doubt he gets anywhere near that targets to receive his full bonus.

Anyway if he goes i’d Imagine MG will be the one or maybe a cheeky bid for Gift Orban. Just roll the dice on you g strikers for the season.
Are you aware what his base wage is?
 

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Are you aware what his base wage is?
Not preciously no, I know it’s over 140k as it was mentioned when Lingard got his new contract. But I think it’s around 150-160k and the rest is tied in to bonuses.It’s still a feck tonne of money that I’m sure many clubs looking at him would have to weigh up if it’s worth the risk.

In form and fit he’s easily worth that but those two things are quite scarce for him.
 

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Probably late to the party but I see we've re-added a certain vile cnuts profile to our website.
 

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United will lose at least 10% of it's fanbase reintegrating Greenwood.
Hasn't this topic been temporarily locked down again??
(nb. they won't; the only way to possibly think this is by ignoring every single footballing controversy ever and its outcomes as well as the specific composition of fandom in a global 'market' - the only thing that loses United mass number of fans is sporting mismanagement etc etc)
 

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Martial was barely available.
If we sell him Rashford will play more often at ST, with the way Garnacho is developing.

There is obviously also Rasmus.

And then Voldemort is clearly going to be brought back in.
 

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Alfredo Morelos is available on a free.

Worth a punt.
Yeah he would count as two signings so that's also handy



Someone should've told him that deep fried food isn't recommended for every meal, even in Glasgow. And I say that as someone who just ordered a battered pizza supper for my tea.
 

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I think it’s Sancho this season and consider me in the, apparent, minority in being happy about that. I actually think he’ll eventually thrive there when he gets settled. He was one of our best in the box finishers last year, he just struggled on the wing.
Same, he's unbelievably calm and clever inside the box.
 

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Yeah he would count as two signings so that's also handy



Someone should've told him that deep fried food isn't recommended for every meal, even in Glasgow. And I say that as someone who just ordered a battered pizza supper for my tea.
:lol: :lol:

I was really only joking with my suggestion.

Is a battered pizza supper nice?
 

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Martial won't be sold because nobody will buy him. Don't forget *redacted* is coming back too. So that's four / five centre forwards if you include Rashford and Sancho.
It seems very much like that decision has been made and it's just a question of when, and if *redacted* will be any good upon his return. I doubt his head will be right for football for a very long time what with away fans (and possibly some home fans) booing him every time he touches the ball. Completely wrong environment to grow as a player.