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Have been conflicted on this since the start but in the end disappointed we didn't send him on loan somewhere until things calmed a bit
What would change?
Have been conflicted on this since the start but in the end disappointed we didn't send him on loan somewhere until things calmed a bit
Weird lie to back up your wrong viewpoint.That is what I said as an example. We also have a statue of George Best outside our stadium. Eric Cantona jumped into the crowd and has sarcastically said the since "the only thing I regret is not killing him."
I firmly believe that this culture of binning people off is wrong. I think you have to get to the root of the issues at hand. I have family members who have suffered with anxiety that leads to anger issues and we have confronted it and seeked help the best we can.
I think the club should have gone down the rehabilitation route with this case and used that line a lot more and a lot sooner. As I said an outside barrister and professionals could have assisted with this in terms of making the club look like they are professionally investigating the matter a more objective manner.
This is a big thing for me. You have some outlets saying his contract has been released, yet some say it hasn't. The whole situation at this point is so unclear we don't know is he for sale, loan, or even under contract as things stand. It is ludicrous what the club has done with this statement/situation.
The club statement says that we will work with MG to re-commence his career away from Old Trafford. We therefore haven’t released him and continue to pay his wages.
It does leave open whether he will be loaned for the remainder of his contract or will directly join another club but, presumably, that’s because we don’t yet know what other clubs are going to propose.
I don’t see the club can be criticised for that element of the statement.
I really liked this kid and followed him in his last year's in the youth team. When he broke up in that first season it really looked like he could be a generational talent.His talent is probably long gone, I'd be amazed if he came back to a good level. Also, was too slow for the very top level anyway.
What happens if we are unable to find an agreement with any club over a sale before the window closes?
I'd expect we are going to be lowballed due to the circumstances so what if the offers are so derogatory that the club does accept them?
Will be be treated as any other player still, be available for selection etc until January?
A potential way back?
What would change?
Guy hasn't played or trained in a first team environment for like 18 months. No serious club is bidding decent money - especially with United pretty much not having room for negotiation. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for free or close to it - but more likely a loan is what I expect
Guy hasn't played or trained in a first team environment for like 18 months. No serious club is bidding decent money - especially with United pretty much not having room for negotiation. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for free or close to it - but more likely a loan is what I expect
At Real he would became a super star and win a lot of trophies.Be great to see him in a really well coached side surrounded by quality players.
I’d be fascinated to see how he’d develop at Real or Barca.
At Real he would became a super star and win a lot of trophies.
At UEFAlona he will learn to dive, cheat, cry and buy referees.
You need to find some better outlets, the statement is quite explicit in saying that he hasn't been releasedThis is a big thing for me. You have some outlets saying his contract has been released, yet some say it hasn't. The whole situation at this point is so unclear we don't know is he for sale, loan, or even under contract as things stand. It is ludicrous what the club has done with this statement/situation.
The masses’ desire to be judge, jury and executioner to another human being is a result of disempowerment in the era of financial capital. To be disempowered is to lose self-determination, and to want to make up for it by wreaking revenge on another.
To all those of you who have mob-judged Mason, despite the state refusing to do so, you are taking advantage of easy social approbation enhanced by new social media.
I have been a devout fan since 1977 and have remained one through this awful Glazer era. However, by treating Mason so unfairly, United has gone too far by not being what they are, a football club, not an instrument for woke mob rule.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If one of ours, a young black man and his family,, cannot be treated fairly and with humanity then there is no us. I am not, no longer, a fan.
It is the right decision but still gutted such a talent being wasted. Probably won’t play in the PL and more than likely go abroad.
Guy hasn't played or trained in a first team environment for like 18 months. No serious club is bidding decent money - especially with United pretty much not having room for negotiation. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go for free or close to it - but more likely a loan is what I expect
I wonder if those calling for masons sacking have given any thought to his partner and child, i find it perverse when I hear Andy Mitten saying he hopes he is allowed to continue his career elsewhere and learn by his mistakes, If this guy is the ogre some make him out to be how do you think that will impact on them. Personally I think he's already learnt his lesson, and the only people that are likely to be affected but this are his family.
He’s left by mutual consent. No sale or loan, he’s effectively been sacked.
So many people defending MG.... Good lord....
It's football, many things are more important than football.
If the investigation has found him not guilty, what grounds would they have to terminate his contract?
Maybe the club should have kept him and damned if they do damned if they don’t
Nah few years time he will be playing for England and helping City win the treble.
So many people defending MG.... Good lord....
It's football, many things are more important than football.
To MG and its family its not just football, it's there lives.
The masses’ desire to be judge, jury and executioner to another human being is a result of disempowerment in the era of financial capital. To be disempowered is to lose self-determination, and to want to make up for it by wreaking revenge on another.
To all those of you who have mob-judged Mason, despite the state refusing to do so, you are taking advantage of easy social approbation enhanced by new social media.
I have been a devout fan since 1977 and have remained one through this awful Glazer era. However, by treating Mason so unfairly, United has gone too far by not being what they are, a football club, not an instrument for woke mob rule.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. If one of ours, a young black man and his family,, cannot be treated fairly and with humanity then there is no us. I am not, no longer, a fan.
That's the thing isn't it. They're going to bat for a 21 year old that showed a glimpse of talent who has barely done anything for this club because he's 'Starboy'. God forbid this was Harry Maguire though, they'd be foaming at the mouth to condemn him asapThe world is a terrible place isn't it?
The only sin these cringey cnuts won't forgive is being shit at football other than that anything can be explained especially if you're as good a player as greenwood.
Genuinely one of the worst posts on the forum.. but not surprised.
Tries to seem intelligent with the use of such phrases as the "era of financial capital" and "To be disempowered is to lose self-determination" in order to try and confuse you and grant the illusion that the post has any depth. Hangs over your head the fact they've been a fan since 1977 and are therefore more qualified and superior to the new social media born fan. Then brings up eloquent right wing phrases like "woke mob rule" to talk about how good you had it back in your day. Then tops it all off by bringing in the race (??) of the player which has absolutely nothing to do with this case whatsoever.
Cannot be treated fairly and with humanity? Are you taking the f'ing piss or what? Woe is me Mason Greenwood should have thought twice before being a disgusting piece of shit, convicted or not. Please listen to the audio again. Mason Greenwood has not been treated 'unfairly' the fact that you even think so speaks volumes about you and your relationships in real life, I dread to think.
Manchester United are a Football Club as you say, regardless of how poorly they handled this situation they made the right choice by getting rid of this absolute shit show circus which would have been a dark cloud hanging over this club for many years to come, and for what? A 21 year old with a little bit of talent that's almost done nothing for this club. I absolutely have no idea why people like you get so attached to players like this. Are you a fan of the football club, or individual players?
The 'State' refused to do anything because it was pretty much a case not possible to pursue once the key witness refused to testify, which conveniently came after Greenwood broke the law and broke his bail conditions by visiting the victim, what a coincidence huh.
This isn't 'woke mob rule' it's the fact we are living in an age where actions have consequences and people are making sure those consequences are actually put in place because for too many years vile people like Mason Greenwood have been getting away with it. Just reading this post makes me realise further why people don't come forward with abuse cases, and why abusers are barely ever convicted.
A massive "Back in my day" post full of shit, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Can you dm me this please.We probably made the correct decision but it humours me that there's no murmur at all from anyone about a certain Arsenal player even though there's evidence online about his extracurricular activities.
It’s insane.So many people defending MG.... Good lord....
It's football, many things are more important than football.
I looked, I had heard that but i can’t find any. I stand corrected and made a mistakePlease share backing that audio was edited.
Forget Maguire. We had a poll on the Caf and 85% wanted to get rid off Rashford. We also had an initial poll a couple of months ago on Greenwood and 50% wanted his return.That's the thing isn't it. They're going to bat for a 21 year old that showed a glimpse of talent who has barely done anything for this club because he's 'Starboy'. God forbid this was Harry Maguire though, they'd be foaming at the mouth to condemn him asap
Yeah I worry for the girl who's probably gonna get beat on again seeing how she has practically ruined his career by exposing him.
Have a bad feeling this won't be the last DV incident regarding greenwood.
Forget Maguire. We had a poll on the Caf and 85% wanted to get rid off Rashford. We also had an initial poll a couple of months ago on Greenwood and 50% wanted his return.
They already have the money to live 100 of your lives.To MG and its family its not just football, it's there lives.
Google it. It's literally every outlet bar espn.You need to find some better outlets, the statement is quite explicit in saying that he hasn't been released
They said mutual termination. You are right though, it is a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.If the investigation has found him not guilty, what grounds would they have to terminate his contract?
Maybe the club should have kept him and damned if they do damned if they don’t
There's just a lack of clarity. That could be the fault of news outlets though as most of them are saying we have terminated his contract.The club statement says that we will work with MG to re-commence his career away from Old Trafford. We therefore haven’t released him and continue to pay his wages.
It does leave open whether he will be loaned for the remainder of his contract or will directly join another club but, presumably, that’s because we don’t yet know what other clubs are going to propose.
I don’t see the club can be criticised for that element of the statement.
By the same metric though. What would the people who are playing moral high ground say if he came out and scored a hattrick against City or Liverpool? I bet they would change their tune as well.What would have been funny is if Greenwood were allowed to come back and play. Wonder how some of his defenders would have reacted if things didn't go well.
Say he went for a string of five games without scoring, looking shit in general and getting abused by all fans in the stadium. Maybe half the team doesn't even walk with Greenwood when he steps out. When the likes of Bruno or Cas put an arm around MG's shoulder when he's close to tears - they start getting booed themselves. Maybe next game someone leaves a leg breaker on MG, and he's out for half a season - and the assailant gets a hero's applause and gets away with just a red for three games for it.
Our results are shit, we can't score goals, we lose to everyone and Greenwood doesn't look like he can play in the Championship, never mind the PL. And all our negativity seems to be focused on him.
If we had a poll then, 'Was it a good idea to let MG back?', I'd bet all my net worth that most of the folks defending him now will be baying moral high ground to get rid.
Where do you want me to start? Club Size? History? The fact that Manchester United should hold itself to a higher standard then other clubs? Sponsor Pressure? Media? The fact that we're a worldwide brand?
Playing football for Manchester United is obviously quite different then playing football for say, Torino in Serie A