Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion

[OrcaFat]

All this Scot slander is disgusting and you should be ashamed. Hope he is kept so that my work planning where to put his statue outside of OT doesn't go to waste. I've done the models and it just doesn't look as good outside of the Alliance Arena.

Have you tried tweaking the scale? I suggest the statue should be 3/4 life size. Then it will look good anywhere. People will say “I thought he was taller.”

 

[RedDevil@84]

This is all a propaganda to make gullible fans go "see! McT is good! Even Bayern wants him!" And as we can see - there are plenty of fans that bought it.

What?? Why?

 

[NZT-One]

In what way are they better. I'm still trying to get that answer. It is no coincidence that both Brighton and West Ham are better this year without those two players.

You must be trolling us. If yes, kudos to you Sir, you are doing a great job. If not, feck me sideways

 

[JPRouve]

Tuchel is a strange one, for PSG he wanted kehrer at all cost. He also wanted Choupo Moting who admittedly proved to be a decent backup.

McTominay could easily be one of his new strange obsessions.

 

[Judas]

What?? Why?

Too much time spent reading QAnon fiction I think.

 

[-Supreme-]

I would trade McT for a sturdy chair, let alone any player we can actually use, like Gravenberch, because McT is virtually useless to us and chair can be useful, a functional DMF player - even more so.

But I don't for a second believe Bayern is actually interested in McT. This is all a propaganda to make gullible fans go "see! McT is good! Even Bayern wants him!" And as we can see - there are plenty of fans that bought it.

What makes this potential loan deal bizarre is that we literally have turned down £30m offer just two weeks ago, so I really can’t see us accepting anything less than obligation to buy.

 

[Offside]

Chronically underrated by this place. Don’t see based on last season how Rice is much better (although he is better) and he went for £100m.

However, still not good enough to start for United. I’d only let him go if there’s a good replacement coming in. Don’t see any of the names we are linked with being that.

 

[Acrobat7]

Tuchel is a strange one, for PSG he wanted kehrer at all cost. He also wanted Choupo Moting who admittedly proved to be a decent backup.

McTominay could easily be one of his new strange obsessions.

Choupo kinda makes sense for any club. He is fine being a backup, performs well when called upon, speaks 483 different languages and is by all accounts great at integrating new and younger players.

Bayern/Tuchel wanting a DM and rumors about McTominay are simply strange since he is not a 6 for all that I can tell.

 

[Gordon Godot]

Both Rice and Caicedo are nowhere near that valuation. Nowhere near. McTominay is a player that is not worse than those two. So if they are valued that much, so should McTominay. The truth is that those players are worth like 1/3 of that sum. If even that. I'm still waiting for someone to explain how Rice and Caicedo quality is £100m +.

Sorry mate your either McT's dad, a WUM or dumb. McT is for sale and we have had one tentative bid. One. Says it all

 

[gaffs]

Guardiola wanted to pay huge money for Maguire. Pochettinho is average manager so I have no idea what you want to say bringing him up. Klopp have paid lot of money for players that also failed. I'm not sure where you are going with this.

Point is, that all these top managers wanted Rice and/or Caicaido at 100+mil. One assumes that they all know more about football than you.

Yet non are interested in McTominay at a third of the price, who you say is on par with Rice and Caicaido.

 

[gaffs]

Sorry mate your either McT's dad, a WUM or dumb. McT is for sale and we have had one tentative bid. One. Says it all

At a fraction of the price paid for Rice and Caicedo. Case closed.

 

[Shakesy]

I would trade McT for a sturdy chair, let alone any player we can actually use, like Gravenberch, because McT is virtually useless to us and chair can be useful, a functional DMF player - even more so.

But I don't for a second believe Bayern is actually interested in McT. This is all a propaganda to make gullible fans go "see! McT is good! Even Bayern wants him!" And as we can see - there are plenty of fans that bought it.

Nah. They're kidding

 

[NZT-One]

Point is, that all these top managers wanted Rice and/or Caicaido at 100+mil. One assumes that they all know more about football than you.

Yet non are interested in McTominay at a third of the price, who you say is on par with Rice and Caicaido.

I think it has to be said, that while Rice and Caicedo are good players and easily better than McTom, those numbers are absolutely insane. Surely, the market has gone bonkers and all of that but those numbers still stick out. Therefore, yes, both of them are borderline comically overvalued with their pricetags, but that doesn't change the fact, that McTom isn't. I think, even the 35-40 Million is a pretty good price, mostly coming from him being relative young, phyically at his peak, big strong lad, positionally flexible (to a degree that he doesn't suck really hard anywhere, while at the same time not shining anywhere as well (except for one game against Leeds every other year).

 

[Shakesy]

At a fraction of the price paid for Rice and Caicedo. Case closed.

Just realised I don't read "case" as [kays] anymore... I now instinctively read it as [ka-say]

 

[gaffs]

I think it has to be said, that while Rice and Caicedo are good players and easily better than McTom, those numbers are absolutely insane. Surely, the market has gone bonkers and all of that but those numbers still stick out. Therefore, yes, both of them are borderline comically overvalued with their pricetags, but that doesn't change the fact, that McTom isn't. I think, even the 35-40 Million is a pretty good price, mostly coming from him being relative young, phyically at his peak, big strong lad, positionally flexible (to a degree that he doesn't suck really hard anywhere, while at the same time not shining anywhere as well (except for one game against Leeds every other year).

You could say the same about many transfers. Mount with one year left and no other suiters at 60mil. Anthony at 82mil.

But we have to look at the total package for players. Rice will cost Arsenal 30mil a year for the next 6 years. He is 24 now so will either be extended or sold, thus reducing the initial outlay. United are paying around the same for Casimiro and will likely see no money regained, unless he finds his way to Saudi.

 

[James35]

If McTominay stays and doesn’t play I’ll be happy. Just wish we had accepted the £30m. No way Bayern would offer anything more. Think we are stuck with him and it’s clear as day that EtH has him way down in the pecking order. His value will decrease and next summer we’ll let him go for less.

It’s also clear that teams were willing to break the bank for certain players. McTominay is definitely not one of them players.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I thought the rumours of Bayern's interest were rubbished ?

 

[90 + 5min]

If this is a genuine post I'll be upset if I don't get promoted to this forum. Im joking! Seriously though. McTominay was overlooked by England and Rice was coveted and successfully urged to switch nationalities after already representing the rep of Ireland. Caciedo is a whole different kettle of fish as well talent wise.

Mctominay would be the subject of a bidding war right now if he was as valuable as you deem him. The truth is its likely no club would meet the 45M pounds valuation placed on his head by the club

If he played in lower teams he would be bought. What Rice nationality or country he want to play for have nothing to do with why he offers on pitch.

Sorry mate your either McT's dad, a WUM or dumb. McT is for sale and we have had one tentative bid. One. Says it all

We have had plenty of bids for McTominay. All being refused. Not every bid goes to media. So now you know.

Point is, that all these top managers wanted Rice and/or Caicaido at 100+mil. One assumes that they all know more about football than you.

Yet non are interested in McTominay at a third of the price, who you say is on par with Rice and Caicaido.

What top managers wanted Rice? Show me that clubs actually bid for Rice? Not rumours. Bids.

As I said. Clubs with top managers did bid for players like Maguire, Lukaku, Pogba and more. That doesn’t mean they are good players.

Caicaido played for u23 two years ago. Now he is worth £100+ m? Give me a break.

 

[FlapR]

He's a versatile player whose been with us his entire youth/adult career. It would be stupid to get rid of him, especially for such a low price.

Also he looks like my nephew.

 

[gaffs]

What top managers wanted Rice? Show me that clubs actually bid for Rice? Not rumours. Bids.

Declan Rice: West Ham reject Manchester City's £90m bid for captain - BBC Sport

 

[Hoof the ball]

How unlucky are we?

Mainoo gets injured and makes selling McTominay less straightforward.
Maguire rejects West Ham and makes us getting Todibo impossible.
Varane gets injured and makes keeping Maguire more likely.
Shaw gets injured and forces us to buy in a position we didn't even need to focus on this summer.
Amad gets injured and Antony has no one challenging him at RW yet.
Henderson waits until the last days to find a club and provide us with money to use.
Hojlund. arrives unable to play rendering us strikerless going into the new season.

Just an awful confluence of things.

 

[Mercurial]

I share this opinion. He's a good player and would compliment most teams in the league

Might be Scottish bias but he is praised by SAF very highly.

 

[gaffs]

As I said. Clubs with top managers did bid for players like Maguire, Lukaku, Pogba and more. That doesn’t mean they are good players.

Did City actually bid for Maguire?

I dont think they did.

 

[90 + 5min]

Declan Rice: West Ham reject Manchester City's £90m bid for captain - BBC Sport

Great. One club making offer. And they didn’t want to go higher. They already went to high in first place.

Did City actually bid for Maguire?

I dont think they did.

They did.

 

[Unam333]

How unlucky are we?

Mainoo gets injured and makes selling McTominay less straightforward.
Maguire rejects West Ham and makes us getting Todibo impossible.
Varane gets injured and makes keeping Maguire more likely.
Shaw gets injured and forces us to buy in a position we didn't even need to focus on this summer.
Amad gets injured and Antony has no one challenging him at RW yet.
Henderson waits until the last days to find a club and provide us with money to use.
Hojlund. arrives unable to play rendering us strikerless going into the new season.

Just an awful confluence of things.

Mount gets injured.
Our back up lb Malacia already injured
Martial for sure will get injured, I don't have to be Nostradamus for that.

 

[Trex]

Did City actually bid for Maguire?

I dont think they did.

They did but not up to what Leicester were demanding.

 

[gaffs]

They did but not up to what Leicester were demanding.

Source?

 

[gaffs]

Great. One club making offer. And they didn’t want to go higher. They already went to high in first place.


They did.

Are you dumb? You're asking for evidence of something that happened a month ago. Everyone knows City bid for Rice.

Show me a source that shows City actually bit on Maguire.

 

[cyberman]

Are you dumb? You're asking for evidence of something that happened a month ago. Everyone knows City bid for Rice.

Show me a source that shows City actually bit on Maguire.

City told Maguire that if he wanted the City move then they would only then match our offer.
He said no

 

[united_99]

He should not go to Bayern. He is no Kane who would play regardless of the manager. If Tuchel gets sacked you never know if the new manager will rate McT. But then he would always generate interest from PL so could easily play in England again if it doesn’t work out at Bayern.
Anyway, same as for West Ham. At least 35/40 mil otherwise I hope we keep him.

 

[Trex]

Source?

https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...MQFnoECAoQAg&usg=AOvVaw0aDZabd8ouGa_JoJoEyT9J

 

[gaffs]

https://www.google.com/url?q=https:...MQFnoECAoQAg&usg=AOvVaw0aDZabd8ouGa_JoJoEyT9J

Interested...

"We were interested, but we could not afford it. United afford it. He's an excellent player, national team too, he had an incredible World Cup.

But did they bid?

 

[gaffs]

City told Maguire that if he wanted the City move then they would only then match our offer.
He said no

So they didnt bid?

 

[Ekeke]

In what way are they better. I'm still trying to get that answer. It is no coincidence that both Brighton and West Ham are better this year without those two players.

Caicedo is a much better passer, more versatile able to play well from rightback when used there last season. And most importantly although he's clearly better he's just 21, 5 years younger than McTom

Rice is a much better passer and dribbler, better DM when it comes to competing for the ball and positioning himself to help defend and is a leader which is why he was West Ham captain as they went to the final of a european competition.

McTom is arguably the best at shooting of the 3. Something you dont get to do much from DM

We're 3 games into the season. Brighton are in the same position they finished last season. West Ham are doing better... Again for 3 matches. The season is more than 3 matches.

 

[Trex]

Interested...

"We were interested, but we could not afford it. United afford it. He's an excellent player, national team too, he had an incredible World Cup.

But did they bid?

They wanted him. I can't find a source that confirm if they bid or didn't.

 

[philippexyz]

For fecks sake, just sell him already if there is interest. Take the £30m or even £25m(he's not really worth more). Midfielder who is clueless positionally, defensively as a 6 and doesn't have the technical ability to play as a midfielder for a club supposedly as big as Manchester United - that's why he hides from receiving the ball in deeper areas of the pitch. Hojbjerg, Amrabat and Gravenberch are all significant upgrades on him(each in different ways). Manager clearly doesn't rate him, after Casemiro was integrated last year Scott barely played for us and that was only when Case got his suspensions.

Would also be pure profit on FFP books as an academy product and help us that way. More competent clubs like Chelsea(yes, they are still more competent even with Boehly/Clearlake) would have sold him definitely by now(Loftus-Cheek as an example).

Why is this club cursed to have absolutely little to no sense for so long now? It was just a rhetorical question, I know the main answer - Glazers.

Rant over.

 

[RedDevil@84]

For fecks sake, just sell him already if there is interest.

There is no indication of any actual bid.

 

[VP89]

So they didnt bid?

Its immaterial to the overall point being made. You are being needlessly pedantic

 

[gaffs]

Its immaterial to the overall point being made. You are being needlessly pedantic

Not at all. I was responding to....

What top managers wanted Rice? Show me that clubs actually bid for Rice? Not rumours. Bids.

As I said. Clubs with top managers did bid for players like Maguire, Lukaku, Pogba and more. That doesn’t mean they are good players.

 

[VP89]

Not at all. I was responding to....

Fair enough!