Rice and caicedo aren't better than mctominay. I've heard it all.
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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Madness.Scotty blinkers.
German media now reporting about Bayern's interest in Fulham's Palhinha which would make a whole lot more sense than McTominay.
Why?
Be in for shock when relise he will cost more then McTominey. Fulham will take them to cleaners. 50/60 mill
Bayern aren't seriously in for McTominay.
He may be 5th or 6th option on some list but it's never going to progress for them to make any kind of an offer.
Because he's a better player?
Erm…. Not really proven that is it. Currently their most productive player is Andreas. We all know that story.
No they wouldn’t. None of them are better than Casimero, Fernandes, Mount. And No better than McTominay or Eriksen. This love for Rice and Caicedo is same as people with Pogba. Average players that people somehow valued far from their ability.
tenHag don’t know everything. Every manager have faults. Just because he doesn’t play Mctominay doesn’t mean he is bad player. It is managers choice.
Because some of those stats are far more important than others. If you want to be a team that is good at passing then your midfielders need to be good at passing. McTom is far worse than them
Your DM doesnt need to be great in the air. They dont need to score more goals than other DMs.
Caicedo is much better at finding attacking players with his passing. Thats why he's sought over in that DM position over others who like him, are good at ball winning.
Rice is sought after because he's good at the passing, and he's good at running the ball past players trying to press and win the ball back from him setting the team on the attack.
McTom is not sought after because he doesnt have those qualities you want for your DM. He just has the basics
Then you might say well McTom is better as an attacking player. And yeah he's good in the air and has a good shot. But is he good enough for a big club in an attacking area? No. Because once again what those teams want is a player who is good at being creative and has influence with their passing, dribbling and making things happen as well as shooting.
So once again he doesnt fit what is sought after in an attacking role either.
So where he ends up is a mid table quality midfielder with a few qualities in defensive areas, and a few in attacking areas but doesnt have enough influence and quality to be a top club midfielder.
Based on what he showed last season (which was just a continuation of how he'd performed in Portugal before that) he's clearly a better DM then Scott, and that's the position that Bayern is supposedly looking to sign.
Absolutely agreed!!
I'm curious, are there any midfielders outside the top teams in the PL that you think are better than McTominay?
You are swimming against the tide. The best clubs in the league wanted Rice and/or Casimero. No one wants Mctominay for a fraction of their price. Not even his own manager wants to play Mctominay - he is about to sign Amrabat over him.
Mctominay is bang average. We have a large enough sample size of him to make a judgement.
When was Mctominay's stand out game for United?
Yes, but he would definitely have been privy to the numbers involved.
In his prime Casemiro was world class. He isn't anymore. £60m for a player who has a body type that was never going to last in his 30s, Real Madrid is laughing.
EtH knew Antony. £90m is insane.
I'm sure he could've torpedoes either transfers. He should have.
And now we're going to buy a younger version of Casemiro in Amrabat.
It's like a slapstick comedy.
You wanted to show stats and they did show that McTominay is better player. It wasn't me. If we choose to trust your stats. Pretty much, only thing he is worse is passing. Passing is not football. Football is about lot of other qualities. You are also talking about what you think teams want. That passing is more important than other things. That is up to managers. That is why Arteta decided to pay Rice that much. That is why Chelsea decided to pay Caicedo that much. No other teams want to give that sort of money because they know these guys were overvalued.
Of course there are players whos qualities make them better.
Best clubs didn't want them for that money. Because they are not worth that much. Not even close. That is why clubs didn't show more than some interest. Interest and wanting somebody is two different things. Something every player in Premier League have.
You don't have to have stand out games to be good player. You can be that unoticed. Nobody here is saying McTominay is world class. But he is not worse than Rice and Caicedo which is the main point.
Every time I read one of your posts I think what the feck.
I am afraid noone will pay '35/40m' for McTominay and surely not Bayern (not to mention that this figure is where they will value Gravenberch). He is also not the profile of player Tuchel explicitly stated he wants (a defensive 6).
It is not unthinkable that Tuchel may be weird and confused enough, as @JPRouve rightly has pointed out, to want a player that does not actually make sense even by his own parameters (and he does seem to be fixated on known PL names). But the rest of Bayern's transfer committee will have a word too and after they spent big on Kane they might feel content to have backed Tuchel sufficiently to feel confident about overriding him on his wishes for the 6 and right back.
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Obviously theres no point talking to a liar. You have been shown the information, told why McTom isnt rated like the players who premier league clubs have spent huge amounts of money on and you have refused to learn. So thats the end of it.
McTom is a midfielder with limited ability, you are a poster with much more limited ability.
Because he is a DM. McTominay isn't.
Liar? You put out information about different statistics. Not me. Just look at them. Read them. If you want to look from that point of view.
Like who? Is there only a couple who are better than McTominay, or are there quite a few and Rice and Caicedo just don't make that group?
He is also better and - most importantly - a DM.
Have you got short term memory loss?
Liverpool had a £115mil bid in for Caicedo. City had a £90mil bid in for Rice.
So McTominay is so good that he goes unnoticed?
He goes unnoticed because he hides from the ball...
https://youtube.com/shorts/WWdiQ4DVIZU?si=ztOJBrjPwYdBIS8l
Yeah no way would I rather have rice or caicedo in the team over mctominay 
What do you lot think of McTominay as a 4th choice CB option (in front of Maguire)?
You don't think he's a better player than Scott?
Hes a DM and their best player
Maguire isn't that bad to be behind McT in the CB pecking order. Maguire would be a good PL CB at most or half of the PL clubs, McTominay would not.
Unfortunately he has some more shortcomings like bad positioning, no sense for where his team mates or into which spaces they will run into, he often is afraid to pass forward etc
I somehow like what he stands for but he just is not a very good footballer
If we take out big or semi-big clubs from this we can for a start by taking James Ward Prowse. It is hard to find better players than McTominay as central midfielder that are playing in lower midtable teams or relegation teams. There is a difference in quality which is normal. Tyler Adams from Bournemouth is someone I'm looking forward to see how he develops this year.
If you believe so. As I said before, sometimes you need to have bigger insight in clubs and not go for media reports.
The person with the most insight in this situation would be ETH and he has McTominay permanently on the bench.
Yeah, same.Yeah no way would I rather have rice or caicedo in the team over mctominay
Hope this Gravenberch transfer to Liverpool doesn't come to fruition. If they need to sign McTominay as a replacement at Bayern it could be disastrous for this club
Makes me think you've never watched Scott play if you're wondering if he's good at carrying the ball.
I'd say Rice is a better player but it's not by that much. Caicedo has the potential to be better than him.
Jesus, someone explain to me what McTominay is good at? Decent in the air, that's it. He's a horribly mediocre player.
Seems like he is staying. We are bloody idiots to reject 30m offer for him. He wasnt even that good when he made the step up. We hold to average players for so long and end up getting nothing for them. Look at City how they move on decent players and replace them with good youngsters.
McTominay is one of the worst players I've ever seen in the red dress. He's not even as half as good as those two.
I always feel a odd sense of relief when he's subbed on to ,likely, 'close a game out' and yet I don't know why.
Same feeling happened again against Nottingham Forest and the first thing he did was give away a silly foul with a high foot towards a Nottingham Forest's players chest and continued to lose control of the ball rather consistently from there.
So, I've convinced myself he's a good player but the reality is he really isn't.
Hopefully he's brought on to close the game out against Arsenal when we're leading..
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