Aubameyang as well, at Chelsea. The guy was finally chilling at Barca when Tuchel decided he needs him at all cost. Than got himself sacked a week later.
Scott McTominay | Transfer discussion not performance discussion
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Parts and parcels of the game. That said, if we could just turn back the clock and do the season over again it would be great.
Interesting. I always wondered how you pronounced Casemiro’s first name abbreviated to ‘Case’. I’d argued with myself whether it is Kace or Kass. I’d never considered Ka-say although surely Ka-sa is more accurate?
Maybe we should just call him Carlos…..
They did and that is all you need to know. Maguire talked to both clubs after that.
Calling me dumb is the best thing to do when you are wrong. Great job.
They did for 1000th time.
So it is mostly about age because nothing that Caicedo have shown up to now indicates that he is better player.
Rice is as much leader as O’Shea. He might grow into it but he is not that. Just because you are captain doesn’t mean you are leader. When it comes to other qualities I can agree he is slightly better defensivly when playing in low block with 10 players defending. Playing in team that attacks exposes that side of play which we’ve seen this year. He is no better passer of the ball and what dribbler?
I don’t see McTominay as only defensive midfielder. He should be box to box player with a role more towards attacking side.
Sounds like you dont know anything about Rice. He carries the ball forward well and passes the ball well from his DM position
As we can see McTom is good in the air, can grab a goal occasionally and will put in a tackle. When it comes to playing the ball Rice and Caicedo are better. Caicedo is a much better passer and Rice is better both carrying the ball forward and passing the ball.
Bayern and every club in the world knows the pr
But I would still probably take the hit and go through the pain rather than adding stopgap signings tbh.
Yeah lots of dominoes falling.
But I would still probably take the hit and go through the pain rather than adding stopgap signings tbh.
Several of those are problems of our own making.
No one forced us to sign an injured player.
Maguire should have never been signed
Mctominay should've been sold years ago
Henderson should've never been given a new contract and been long gone
We've spent hundreds of millions and should have more talent on the right wing than Antony and a teenager.
Not all Ten Hag's fault, but all this "bad luck" is a reflection on years of crap management and lack of planning that means we often find ourselves in these unfortunate situations
You don't need a bid to talk to a club.
You are dumb because you have no evidence that anyone but United made a bid for Maguire. Yet you call me out saying that no top manager made a bid for Rice, when it has been well documented only a few weeks back that City did.
I like Scott Mctominay. Seems a good lad and probably has been unlucky having played for United at a time where there has been so much change and unrest. But there is nothing to suggest he is at the level of Rice of Caicedo. No one but you thinks he is even close, which is why no one wants him at 30mil, despite being all but surplus to requirements at United.
What I'm saying is that getting rid of McTominay won't solve anything.
There's no magic bullet.
Bruno as an anchorman?! I would genuinely love to see that! People with a heart condition should look away, though.
From a Scotland point of view, McGinn is our Bruno. Sloppy in position and plays high risk football.
Steven Gerrard played McGinn as a no 6 at Aston Villa. He was abysmal and the scape goat for the fans. Emery plays him as a no 10. He's one of the driving forces behind Villa starting so well.
I would love to see Bruno as an anchorman. Would be hilarious.
And no, a youngster like Mainoo would not be a better candidate to a team who is genuinely looking to challenge the top 4, than a player who has EPL, European Cup and International experience.
Yeah. Well. If we have to sell in order to buy then Manchester United is in worse condition than I've ever known.
If its a FFP issue then maybe if EtH hadn't overspend on Antony and Casemiro and Mount we might have a little bit of change left in the kitty.
And contrary to popular misconception, McTominay has contributed more than the aforementioned. But don't tell that to the "He hides from the ball" mob.
As a United fan I would find it immensely funny if McTominay joins Bayern Munich. Starts regularly in his best position. Scores a barrel-load. Is a darling of the fans..and returns next season with a Bundesliga winner's medal in one pocket and a European Cup Winner's medal in another.
Suddenly he wouldn't look like the problem.
You are suggesting playing Bruno as a 6?
Can't see McTominay getting lots of playing time ahead of Goretzka, Kimmich and Laimer. Unless either of the latter two is played ahead of Mazraoui at RB?
Not to mention Gravenberch who has flopped so far but is more of an 8.
Considering our midfield woes it is best to keep McTominay I feel.
Not to mention Gravenberch who has flopped so far but is more of an 8.
Considering our midfield woes it is best to keep McTominay I feel.
Do you know what sarcasm is?You are suggesting playing Bruno as a 6?
I was replying to someone who said that Bruno would play ahead of McTominay as a no 6.
I didn't want to call him nuts, as that's rude. So i settled for sarcasm.
McTominay is way better than Caicedo on progressive carries though, according to these stats. Meaning he is better at carrying the ball? Quite oddSounds like you dont know anything about Rice. He carries the ball forward well and passes the ball well from his DM position
As we can see McTom is good in the air, can grab a goal occasionally and will put in a tackle. When it comes to playing the ball Rice and Caicedo are better. Caicedo is a much better passer and Rice is better both carrying the ball forward and passing the ball.
Have to disagree. If selling him allows us to buy a midfielder who knows how to play the deep midfield role properly, it will certainly help.
I do agree with the general sentiment of your post however, my reply was tongue in cheek
He's actually pretty good at driving forward into space. If he could distribute the ball better, he'd be a terrific midfielder.
And yet, back in April when we were without Eriksen and Case, Erik decided to play with Bruno as our deepest midfielder. With McT on the pitch.
I guess that Erik was sarcastic too.
In Germany the media discusses a possible loan swap between McTominay and Gravenberch.
McTominay would play as holding 6 and Laimer be moved to RB as a replacement for Pavard, who will move to Inter.
Reading through this threat most of you are saying McTominay isn't a holding 6 but more an 8 or box to box player, actually a poor man's Goretzka.
I don't know much about McTominay but I'm surprised that our board and Tuchel can be so wrong in analyzing the strengths of a player.
McTominay would play as holding 6 and Laimer be moved to RB as a replacement for Pavard, who will move to Inter.
Reading through this threat most of you are saying McTominay isn't a holding 6 but more an 8 or box to box player, actually a poor man's Goretzka.
I don't know much about McTominay but I'm surprised that our board and Tuchel can be so wrong in analyzing the strengths of a player.
Gravenberch is also an 8, which United hardly need. We need cover for Casemiro.
I guess in both cases, you can say that the club needs and the manager asks are different.
Absolutely. That's why I don't understand this talk about a possible swap at all.
If Bayern offers you a swap deal or too good to be true kind of deal, you ignore it. Simple.
Ball carrying is one of McTominay's strengths.
Definitely in the United team for Arsenal.
Man to man he is very good. Strong and wins lots of tackles. Positionally he is not very good at 6, he likes to close players down and can leave gaps, rather than holding the space. This is why his interceptions is so low.
Also he has been successful for Scotland in a more advanced role which is why people say he isn't a 6.
I can’t see him going to Bayern
He's capable of playing that role well. I would say that two of the three best runs of form in his career have come in the deeper position (the early period under Rangnick then again the early period under ETH).
The issue is his consistency. In both the cases that I mentioned above, his form then dropped massively and he was quite poor. He struggles with positioning, he gives away quite a lot of unnecessary fouls in dangerous positions and there are times he can be wrong-footed and dribbled past quite easily. But he's had those consistency issues no matter where we've played him. He's shown he CAN be a good player, he just doesn't do it anywhere near enough. But perhaps playing in a weaker league would allow him to do it more often, especially in the Bundesliga where a lot of the teams do seem to be quite open. He destroyed Leeds a couple of times (albeit as an 8 rather than a 6) when Bielsa had them playing a very open style.
I mean surely we should be keeping McTominay. At the very least we clearly lack height (especially outside of Varane who is made of glass). And surely selling our most physical /athletic CM when we clearly have a problem of people running through our midfield is also risky. I think actually we might have a better balance with him as an #8 next to Casemiro.
Anyone looking at the bench last weekend should realise the United squad is very thin...this late in the window and with the current owners, nobody should be leaving!
Yes, absolutely.
McTominay is getting paid peanuts. He's currenly the lowest paid first team squad member (other than Garnacho who's obviously still a teenager). In fact, he's even on lower wages than Brandon Williams up until we sold him. Any replacement we buy will want more money.
He's also the youngest of our #6s with both Casemiro and Eriksen having the legs of 50 year olds.
He gives us the physicality and height that's so sorely missing from the rest of the team.
And he has the leadership qualities that are such a big gap in the side, with Rangnick even predicting him to be a future captain.
The thing McTominay lacks (and it's a big lacking) is creativity with his passing. But in a team with Mount and Bruno, that's not quite as important. Hell, even Casemiro has been passing it less creatively since around April/March when we initially switched to 433.
I think selling Scott would be a massive mistake. He's an ideal squad member. People just want to disassociate from him because they link him to the days when he was first choice. But of all the players we have to sit on the bench, he's probably got the smallest ego and the biggest overlap with what the first XI are missing.
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His positioning is good and his interceptions are fine when he's is a system setup to play that way.
In the PL in 19/20
Under Ole when he mostly played alongside Fred in a 2
In the PL in 20/21
Under Ole when he mostly played behind Fred in a 1 plus 1, and was mostly left to do it alone
In the PL in 21/22
Under Rangnick when the team had little structure and everyone was a bit rubbish
In the PL in 22/23
Under EtH when he often came on late to close games out
I don't think interceptions are necessarily a great stat for judging positioning (not sure there is one tbh).His positioning is good and his interceptions are fine when he's is a system setup to play that way.
In the PL in 19/20
Under Ole when he mostly played alongside Fred in a 2
In the PL in 20/21
Under Ole when he mostly played behind Fred in a 1 plus 1, and was mostly left to do it alone
In the PL in 21/22
Under Rangnick when the team had little structure and everyone was a bit rubbish
In the PL in 22/23
Under EtH when he often came on late to close games out
Fred has great numbers for interceptions as well, and his defensive game is mostly running after the ball like an overly excited Jack Russell.
Good post I agree
If we use this stats as example, there is no way someone can say that Rice and Caicedo are 100m players. If we use this stats we can clearly see that McTominay is better on lot of mentioned statistic. So why would McTominay be valued worse? So if you want to talk about DM position, McTominay is better than Rice defensivly although he isn't even a defensive midfielder. That doesn't help Rice. Same goes with Caicedo.Sounds like you dont know anything about Rice. He carries the ball forward well and passes the ball well from his DM position
As we can see McTom is good in the air, can grab a goal occasionally and will put in a tackle. When it comes to playing the ball Rice and Caicedo are better. Caicedo is a much better passer and Rice is better both carrying the ball forward and passing the ball.
I just want to say that I watch football and judge what I see. I don't look at stats. But if you want to look at stats, you have shown that McTominay isn't worse player. Thank you for that.
You really need to get more insight in football teams and not read in media. And I will tell you again that teams did bid for Maguire. I will not change your mind with that and that is ok with me.
For me there is nothing to suggest that Rice and Caicedo are better player than McTominay. Stats show that. What we see on pitch shows that. The only thing they have is age and nationality which somehow pushes their value up on insane level. Age for Caicedo and nationality for Rice. This is almost like giving £50m for Philips which ManCity did. Nothing else.
Rodgers said in his interview that they got 2 bids for Maguire, thats when both clubs tried to sign him and also that both bids fell short of their asking price.
It has to be Gravenberch plus 20m.
Someone posted them above and it was 0.72 per game, 24th percentile for midfielders so I don't know why your numbers are so different.His positioning is good and his interceptions are fine when he's is a system setup to play that way.
In the PL in 19/20
Under Ole when he mostly played alongside Fred in a 2
In the PL in 20/21
Under Ole when he mostly played behind Fred in a 1 plus 1, and was mostly left to do it alone
In the PL in 21/22
Under Rangnick when the team had little structure and everyone was a bit rubbish
In the PL in 22/23
Under EtH when he often came on late to close games out
ETH doesn't negotiate the transfer fees, he just tells our DOF who he'd be interested in bringing in and then it's left to them. He hasn't overspent on them, the club have.
So what specifically are you seeing that Ten Hag isn't then?
Because if Ten Hag had Rice or Caicedo, they would be playing every week for us.
Sorry, but
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