In fairness, I've asked you a couple of times to explain why you remain positive about all this and you haven't. So help me out here, what shall I cling on to?
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager / awaiting clarity from the club over his position
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There's only one way to turn it around, and that's to start winning games. Between Brentword, Sheffield, and Copenhagen we should be able to get most points from those three before the City game.
And yet so many other positions in the teams look very very average when injuries hit. You have a 90million+ player in Antony wasted, Onana ain't looking good. Mount's looking ok but was his position really needed? (answer is no...)
= piss poor planning
It's not me who's blind on this issue that his recruiting has been rubbish, own it.
And yes I watched the game today, and if anything that defence showed me we didn't add quality to our defence over the window
Could have played that I agree.
You mean Hojlund or Mount? Both were fecking standout players today.
Or you mean Onana? We had go buy a GK, the last one went stale.
I don't get who are you referring to.
We should let the process run its course. Arsenal did it with Arteta, and they had relegation form for what seemed like months only a few seasons ago.
EtH will be finding out more about his squad right now than he did when things were going good last season.
Sacking the manager doesn't fix a lot of the absolute nonsense we saw out on the pitch these past few weeks. Players should take equal responsibility, pull the finger out and start grinding out some results.
EtH will be finding out more about his squad right now than he did when things were going good last season.
Sacking the manager doesn't fix a lot of the absolute nonsense we saw out on the pitch these past few weeks. Players should take equal responsibility, pull the finger out and start grinding out some results.
It's like this is the first pre-season match.
I agree with you but its a cyclical problem. We aren't going to swap those two components out and create anything with passing and interplay. So we try and play them into form. Its becoming identical to Ole’s time.
I actually think Mount and Amrabat do improve us. Amrabat is obviously doing a job with Shaw, Malacia, Martinez, AWB and Regulon all being injured. I'd say thats bad luck but I'd get slammed for it - you get what I'm trying to say in the context of the point though. Amrabat looks like he does add value in the center moreso than McT ever did, and Mount is showing really strong worth of late.
I honestly think he didn't do much wrong in this match, other than not fixing the hole Casemiro left behind & keep conceding to the same cutback attacks.
Should take the blame definitely but players fecked it up harder. Mental m*dgets, lot of them are.
Should take the blame definitely but players fecked it up harder. Mental m*dgets, lot of them are.
There has been plenty of bad luck this season but when you play with no control against lesser teams you're asking for trouble.
Thought we played well until those defensive howlers. Could see lot of "those" quick transitions only to be miserably executed by Rashford and Bruno.
Then Onana happened.
Then Onana happened.
Bit a shame Erikson went out for the post match interview
More and more looking like one of those managers who think they're are too clever and over complicate things. Sigh. Onto the next
I think context is vital; at no point have I said he should be in charge of transfers. In fact, that he is has been questioned by me in threads I’ve made.
With regard to what’s going on: hadn’t envisioned he’d look like this or be so tactically lagging in-game and if not for the dearth of options to replace him, I’d say his position was reaching the point of being untenable, which it will be regardless with a few more losses in this run of games.
Manchester United cannot have a tanked season before December.
He needs to take a big risk and drop Rashford, Eriksen, potentially Bruno and bring in some of the kids. If it goes wrong it will be the end of him, but if he doesn't do it he will be gone anyway.
Doing a piss poor job this year. And don't want to hear crocodile tears about the Glazers - we wildly outspend the teams who are beating us week after week
He looks clueless at the moment, his signings are mostly crap, cant change a game tactically, stubborn.
Will be put out of misery soon enough if there isnt a miracle.
Sancho laughing his ass off.
Will be put out of misery soon enough if there isnt a miracle.
Sancho laughing his ass off.
He didn't do anything wrong this game tactically or selection wise. Onana just fecked him up the arse.
But ultimately Onana is his player and he'll need to hang his hat on his performances.
Ah fine.
You've made your minds up, it's not like there is something a Dick on a forum would write to change that.
Let's sack the bald cnut!!
You've made your minds up, it's not like there is something a Dick on a forum would write to change that.
Let's sack the bald cnut!!
I totally understand what you're saying mate, and it is down to 'luck' but you create your own luck, like if he thinks bringing in these players and just expecting them to adapt to PL football right away without any protection or rotation then he's going to get exactly what he's getting now. And then you have to hope these players are mentally tough and not DVB's who just slowly fade into people who cosplay as a footballer when they were competent footballers once upon a time. They might all end up being an improvement in the long run but they won't show that under this manager any time soon.
I don't agree with sacking managers unless it's the last resort.
At United we all know behind the scenes it is a mess, so no one man should have to take all the burden of that.
But it's beginning to look like a beating off City might be the end of his reign.
At United we all know behind the scenes it is a mess, so no one man should have to take all the burden of that.
But it's beginning to look like a beating off City might be the end of his reign.
I do feel for him because of injuries and because we've seen this with 4 managers already. Also think we've been unlucky in some games but still can't be this awful defensively.
He seems to be really stubborn, doesn’t he? He could’ve changed the formation to 5 at the back and tried to test our fast wingers as Rasmus was begging for the service. Also drop Bruno and Rashford, they can be used later in the match if needed.
I still don’t get his system, Bruno and Mount are being wasted in the current formation and no midfield player tracks back to help the defence out.
I still don’t get his system, Bruno and Mount are being wasted in the current formation and no midfield player tracks back to help the defence out.
No one else fancied it, you know he volunteered because he had a good game.
He's clueless. Just look at our midfield, Mount and Amrabat like to play it safe and circulate the ball then you have Casemiro and Bruno that pretty much try a hail Mary with every pass. How the feck can we get a coherent style of play like this.
It's the same all over the pitch, players that play completely contrasting styles of football.
The defence is just pathetic and again it's all his fault. We do have injuries but if we continue to concede why don't we play a bit more conservative instead of pushing everyone high up.
It's a question of when he'll get sacked. Could be the end of the season or whenever but I've seen enough to know this guy is nowhere near the top managers in Europe.
It's the same all over the pitch, players that play completely contrasting styles of football.
The defence is just pathetic and again it's all his fault. We do have injuries but if we continue to concede why don't we play a bit more conservative instead of pushing everyone high up.
It's a question of when he'll get sacked. Could be the end of the season or whenever but I've seen enough to know this guy is nowhere near the top managers in Europe.
Odds for him getting the sack have massively shortened. He is now the second most likely, just behind... Heckingbottom. Fitting, I guess. 
Massive issues with being half a ETH team and half a nothing team
but I have serious doubts over his way of building a team. It should be.
Mission 1: make yourself hard to beat
Mission 2: score goals
Mission 3: Play attractive football once you are scoring goals and winning games
he seems to of focused on this playing out from the back when we have much bigger issues
A ball playing goalkeeper should be the final piece of the puzzle in a settled team, instead he’s causing chaos
Onana and Mount (actually don’t mind Mount as a player but wasn’t what we needed) money should of been used for a world class midfielder and centre back
I despise the Newcastle love festbecause they’re as bent as city but to be fair to Eddie he followed the rules above, hard to beat, score goals, pick up points, worry about style of play when you’re in the fortunate position to care
but I have serious doubts over his way of building a team. It should be.
Mission 1: make yourself hard to beat
Mission 2: score goals
Mission 3: Play attractive football once you are scoring goals and winning games
he seems to of focused on this playing out from the back when we have much bigger issues
A ball playing goalkeeper should be the final piece of the puzzle in a settled team, instead he’s causing chaos
Onana and Mount (actually don’t mind Mount as a player but wasn’t what we needed) money should of been used for a world class midfielder and centre back
I despise the Newcastle love festbecause they’re as bent as city but to be fair to Eddie he followed the rules above, hard to beat, score goals, pick up points, worry about style of play when you’re in the fortunate position to care
When's the last resort? Feel's pretty definitive as it is right now.
Erik desperately needs one or two of those games where everyone is asked to do the basics right and keep it simple, just to get some sort of foundation to move forward.
I really like him, but this form cannot go on, bad luck or not.
I really like him, but this form cannot go on, bad luck or not.
He’ll do it for his fans though. Your talking about a guy that once put a full strength team out against Burton and humiliated them 9-0…
The blame lies with him getting in players that keep gifting goals. Not something that can be salvaged this season as he loaned away the player that should have stepped in for Malacia and Shaw instead of wasting money on another phsyio room occupant and Amrabat who just can't stop passing the ball into the middle and gifting the opponents counters.
Onana is also a signing of his and now we're stuck with him. Two CL matches thrown away. Can't claim crosses, high or low, and can't save for shit. The Icardi goal was pathetic. Didn't come out to close the angle. Was beaten by a chip when he hadn't even moved.
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Mount wasn’t the player we needed
Onana is shite
De gea would of been fine just don’t ask him to pass out from the back, Onana is making worse mistakes so yer I mean him
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Both good points, I just don't think changing the manager again is the right thing to do now, but what do I know.
Both good points, I just don't think changing the manager again is the right thing to do now, but what do I know.
Should keep him and give him time. Should send a signal to the players that they won’t get what they want by downing tools.
Well, Michael van Praag, Leo van Wijk will return to Ajax and LVG will be an external advisor so might as well get ETH back on board.....
Yeah but, he's just unlucky.
Now moved up to 2nd fav to be sacked.
Was out all tonight and just checked the score… Erm when did we start losing to Turkish sides at home?
He almost single handedly got us a point at Bayern and is even our talisman at times as a CDM because zero others score goals in our team.
Then he has to mark 2 - 3 players at once defending counter attacks sometimes. It’s just a mess.
I agree too. People saying Casemiro isn’t world class are reactionary to say the least.
He almost single handedly got us a point at Bayern and is even our talisman at times as a CDM because zero others score goals in our team.
Then he has to mark 2 - 3 players at once defending counter attacks sometimes. It’s just a mess.
He's going to get sacked unless he makes some big decisions. Unfortunately I don't think he has the bravery to do it.
Onana, Rashford and Bruno all need dropped.
Onana, Rashford and Bruno all need dropped.