Well why don't you educate me as you think you know it all. Why don't you tell me how they all played? You obviously know. You seriously trying to suggest Bayern II wouldn't have played a similar style to how he played at Ajax considering it was under Pep?
So basically fans are stupid to expect him to implement the Ajax system here. I think most wanted him here because of that style. And rightly so, most should be disappointed.
Arteta came as a blank canvas. He didnt have a previous club to establish his own personal brand (outside of Peps assistant) so he was never in a position to be posed that question.
Only other person that's seems to get it. The ETH hasn't tried implementing a style is nonsense, he clearly has amongst injuries and we have suffered. A high press, high intensity side, probably closer to Klopp style than Pep.
The issue isn't that he wants to play this way, the issue is he's completely clueless in how to execute said vision. If he wanted to play in that Liverpool/Klopp style, he needed to completely sell out for pace and power in the transfer market. But he didn't do that at all, besides Hojlund all of his signings have largely been finesse/technical style players that would suggest fitting better into a more possession oriented team.
You might be reading too deep into the quotes. He may have referred to it in the context of what he has at his disposal now, and might look to build upon that later down the line.
Onana, Hojlund and Mount suit that style. Martinez in his style from the back too in my opinion. Antony feck no. Eriksen was a free and likely bought for an emergency technical injection.
If that's true then the glaring problem with that is that it's an experiment. Good managers like Klopp and Pep came in with a proven style and vision and the clubs fell in line with that vision. Sure they have adapted their styles but only variations of their philosophies. They didn't just start playing a completely different style. Would Barca bring in Conte and tell him to play tiki taka football? Would you bring in Mourinho and expect high pressing football? It's fkn nuts to do so. And on top of it all he bought half his Ajax team. Why? So he thought I know players who play the Ajax style well but I'll bring them to United to see if they can play transition football? Make that make sense.
And Klopp took time to implement and get success while also being back by a high quality data driven recruitment team finding many gems.
We will never have. Every manager we hire falls into the trap of United way shite
If you are right that is absolutely insane. No wonder this club is sinking into oblivion. Will be interesting to hear what he has to say years down the road. I wouldn't be surprised if his hands were tied with certain players.
Onana and Hojlund yes. Mount… eh but I’ll allow it because he is a fantastic presser even if not a great duel winner. Martinez is one of the best in the world on the ball but he struggles physically when asked to defend large spaces on his own. But this is sort of my point. All of it feels like it’s lacking any sort of real vision or Ten Hag is just useless at identifying proper profiles for what he now wants.
I agree completely. Sancho is best going through the lines as let’s be fair we expected mount too also. I’m not getting either in this current clunky setup.
Excuses excuses excuses.
We're not trying to play like a bad version of City though. We're a direct side. We don't do what they do. ETH has just admitted as much.
All you're saying is that Ten Hag would have never had the backing of the fans because the only reason why the fans were excited about him was due to what he achieved at Ajax. We wanted someone who had a mix of Pep and Klopp's style, which Ten Hag was at Ajax. We felt that it was the path forward to finally compete for the highest honors. That he is more pragmatic, and the fans are just now realizing it just means that Ten Hag was never the right manager for what the fans wanted. We wanted someone who stuck to his ideals, and even if results were not there to start, if the football could produce entertaining matches (enough to keep fans entertained), it would be a huge step forward. It would be easy to see who didn't fit that style and what needed to be bought. The results would then follow in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th seasons.
Klopp's football was implemented from day one. It just didn't give them results. The recruitment helped give them results. The football was there from day 1 though.
I want all the people who keep saying we need to be humble and patient to answer this. What exactly is the end goal if it isnt to be closer to what City and all the top teams are.
Even if it's impossible to implement the Ajax system here because of the different personnel, he should at least able to implement SOME of the good things of that Ajax side on this United side.
The "United Way" established by Busby is attacking football and strong emphasis on youth development. Similar philosophy to Ajax and Barcelona. We haven't done anything the United Way for a long time.
Great response
Its apt.
that opportunity passed us long ago when we sacked LVG and allowed him to grow into a unchangeable direct , wasteful and not so hard working player.1. Eth isn't Klopp. Don't think anyone s claiming he is that level of Pep and Klopp.
Have you actually counted the number of players we've signed over the last two years?
ETH got a lot of the players he wanted, which shows that the idea "every in" was fecked up by someone is wrong.
When Klopp came he conceded a bunch and everyone said his style of play isn't suited but eventually worked with the right recruitment
The most telling thing is he wants us to play this fast transitional football while playing left backs as inverted CMs, when what you want is the width.
Not if you know what you're watching and are capable of judging the progression of a team based on how they setup/play - rather than only results and/or what the media say.
I have said time and time again, my problem with ETH isn't the results, it's his complete and utter failure to create a cohesive unit. I have watched 18-months of variations on his football ideas and I'm still not clear what they are.
