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New Stadium or Revamp Old Trafford
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
That’s the spirit!!!
How has this place got MORE negative since Sir Jim’s investment.
Constant cycle of negativity and looking for reasons why we can’t do something, rather than reasons as to why we can.
Jim's first real test
Fantastic news. New always better.
This right here - I'd prefer to see OT redeveloped, but can accept that economically it might be better to build new instead. BUT if we're going down that route it needs to be a unique stadium, something that is immediately identifiable as ours. There are examples of good modern stadiums around the world, but far too many are generic oval shaped identiclones that may have modern facilities but which lack any soul, identity or spirit.
That’s not negativity that’s the truth. Plus I don’t want a fancy new stadium , it just needs to be revamped
Think we should tear it down and rebuild with 90k-100k capacity. Issue is where we will play till the new staidum is up and running. Given we are "Manchester" United, we would ideally have to keep home games in Manchester. Maybe we play at LSG.
Revamping will take longer and is more arduous and convoluted than building a new one. That’s hot much it’s been left to rot.
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You really think his commitment to the club stops at 300m?!
The problem with revamping the stadium is that a lot of the current structure is too old and decayed to safely rebuild on, the South Stand for example hasnt really had anything done to it since it was converted to all seater in the early 90's so would likely need to be torn down completely and replaced which isnt possible without closing either the whole stadium or the railway line behind it.
If Old Trafford has a limit to its growth and what refurbishments can be done then the only logical thing is to build a brand new stadium
Basically journalists want all grounds to be soulless bowls that outprice locals and "trouble makers" so they can then write articles in 10 years complaining about the atmosphere.
My main issue with these new grounds is that they tend to prioritise tourists (who have very little interest in the actual match) alongside execs and sponsors rather than regular matchgoing fans.
United just need to revamp the South Stand, chuck all those execs/sponsors in there and turn Stretford End tier 1 and maybe 50% of East Stand into safe standing areas.
Football's constant demand for growth is going to kill it.
If as they say they believe they can build a new stadium on adjacent land without affecting the current stadium than great im all for it.
But it's got to be something unique not another soulless bowl.
But it's got to be something unique not another soulless bowl.
For fecks sake.
Journo’s are as much of a football fan as you and I for crying out loud. They’re not the ghost of football past haunting football to ruin it.
You could argue that has already happened to OT. Lots of regulars have been priced out and the atmosphere is generally poor. I’ve got no issues with a new stadium if the fans are absolutely at the core of what their vision is.
It’s an initial investment. We’d clearly need a long term loan for a new stadium, like pretty much every other club on the planet that has built a new stadium. How do you think the likes of Real, Bayern etc did it?
If the funds were not a problem, then you would always choose a revamp, all be it a fairly drastic one.
But I’m just not sure it’s actually an option. A revamp of any big scale just because a non-starter due to the location limitations.
But I’m just not sure it’s actually an option. A revamp of any big scale just because a non-starter due to the location limitations.
I read a Telegraph piece where they say that we own the lands around OT. Meaning we have the unique ability to build a new stadium nearby, as we continue to play at Old Trafford. This would be ideal.
Bit of a nothing article. People who would make a killing designing a new stadium think a new stadium should be built
I wouldn't spend a penny on the old stadium, I'd put any available cash to a new one. Adjacent if there really is room, elsewhere if not.
I can't see how there is room adjacent. Also it's £300 million not 3-4 billion. The stadium isn't actually that bad. It's the thing to do on here to criticise our ground at the minute.
To situate the new stadium better they could build 3/4 of it next to the old one then have the new east stand overlap the old Stretford End. We could play in OT while most of it is built then move into the new one with just the east stand to complete and keep keep 60-70k fans going in.
I just wouldn't want to be limited by space and access points trying to build a new stadium and fit it in another tight space.
Most importantly if we do build a new one it has to look unique and traditional, have fans close to the pitch. No mistakes on having corporate sections right in front of the TV camera like Wembley did and having empty seats on show. Put the corps behind the TV cams in a new south stand.
Also don't make the second mistake Wembley did and have the most huge ugly steel shutters in the corners on show for TV cameras. They should be in the other corners behind the TV cameras. What Wembley do now to hide them is pull these huge sheets over, it's an eyesore and poor design.
It should feel and look like a classic stadium, imposing stands full of fans, a larger Stretford End. OT has a unique feel and look on TV and it needs to be incorporated and not be a soulless bowl with too much space.
Still I'd like to see the South stand done and a new elevated roof if possible.
I just wouldn't want to be limited by space and access points trying to build a new stadium and fit it in another tight space.
Most importantly if we do build a new one it has to look unique and traditional, have fans close to the pitch. No mistakes on having corporate sections right in front of the TV camera like Wembley did and having empty seats on show. Put the corps behind the TV cams in a new south stand.
Also don't make the second mistake Wembley did and have the most huge ugly steel shutters in the corners on show for TV cameras. They should be in the other corners behind the TV cameras. What Wembley do now to hide them is pull these huge sheets over, it's an eyesore and poor design.
It should feel and look like a classic stadium, imposing stands full of fans, a larger Stretford End. OT has a unique feel and look on TV and it needs to be incorporated and not be a soulless bowl with too much space.
Still I'd like to see the South stand done and a new elevated roof if possible.
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It's around 100acres of land mostly behind the stadium and stretching over towards the quays, a big chunk is the cargo shipping container place which probably has a lease on the land for x amount of years. It looks like it would be sufficient to accommodate a new stadium, but they might of just bought the land for other projects or to protect the land from investment that conflicts with the club. I'm pretty sure they weren't too happy about hotel football when it was announced
It would be a shame to lose OT. There’s just so much history and character there that you don’t see in new build stadiums. However, it doesn’t sounds like a revamp is feasible, so what else can you do.
IF we build a new stadium, we will lose part of our history.
Nevertheless, this is what happens for the past decades, we are seeing how the club falls little by little.
As a romantic, I would prefer a new version of OT, not a new stadium, but the Glazers will never spend a dollar on this project and SJR has only the sporting direction.
So who will pay this ?
Will the club finance itself the stadium ? Meaning around 1B out of the club again, when we can't invest elsewhere ?
We're stuck on everything until the rats are still there.
Nevertheless, this is what happens for the past decades, we are seeing how the club falls little by little.
As a romantic, I would prefer a new version of OT, not a new stadium, but the Glazers will never spend a dollar on this project and SJR has only the sporting direction.
So who will pay this ?
Will the club finance itself the stadium ? Meaning around 1B out of the club again, when we can't invest elsewhere ?
We're stuck on everything until the rats are still there.
A new stadium must have a stand like at Dortmund and Tottenham.
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It is that bad though, OT was dropped as a stadium to be used in the EURO's and it's not under considerstion for a CL final - that because it's not good enough anymore
I can see an outline map on the telegraph article but it has a canal running through any sort of area big enough to place a football stadium. The only place big enough to build a football ground on the land United own is where the ground currently is. They don't own the roads outside Hotel Football etc so it's not just a case of building something between the SAF stand and the Quays.
Old Trafford was not dropped at all, United declared it unavailable.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/man-united-old-trafford-euro2028-27877537
I'd be devastated if we left OT. It needs a few quid, don't move.
The most vocal about a brand new stadium are, oddly, those who never visit the current one.
They saw the writing on the wall, it was never going to be selected
Is my brand new, unopened OT Lego set worth a grand yet?
You were still wrong saying it was dropped, would have been classier to say thank you for the correction.
I don't know if it would have been selected or not, neither do you, although it was at least short-listed.
Just build over the canal. Going through long tight dark tunnels is part of narrow boat history. They'd absolutely love it.
Build a new stadium and call it New Trafford
A proper revamp that will make OT practically new whilst keeping its history just like Madrid/Barce
Revamp all day long, far too much history there just to throw it all away for a shiny new thing.
Still get chills walking up Sir Matt Busby Way and seeing that behemoth in front of me.
Still get chills walking up Sir Matt Busby Way and seeing that behemoth in front of me.
Can we keep a portion of it, say the Stretford end and build around that? Keeping a portion maintains some of the legacy and tradition.
ship of theseus i'm sure has been mentioned repeatedly.
What aspect of legacy is retained by completely renovating the current stadium to the point that it is unrecognisable? Is it just the knowledge that some of the underlying structural support is the same?
Our history is more than bricks and mortar.
What aspect of legacy is retained by completely renovating the current stadium to the point that it is unrecognisable? Is it just the knowledge that some of the underlying structural support is the same?
Our history is more than bricks and mortar.