People have slaughtered ETH for doing the same with his midfield setup, maybe they are two peas in a pod after all.
Jadon Sancho (Out)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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There's only room for one pea in this pod.
The funny/tragic thing is all Sancho had to do was apologise in private to ETH, the media would have asked him in the next presser what happened and he'd have said Jadon apologised and the story would be dead + Sancho would definitely have had game time/a chance given Antony's form. I think it's fairly obvious by now given how the squad have reacted there was at least some merit to ETH's comment i.e. Sancho had not - contrary to what it seems he believes - been busting a gut and playing out of his skin at Carrington.There's only room for one pea in this pod.
The fact that the club has also not forced eth to bring back and play the 350k per week shows they are also ready to get rid of him.
The end is how can a professional footballer who has good future ahead act like this. No way a 22 year old ronaldo or messi or ibra or rooney would do it.
The end is how can a professional footballer who has good future ahead act like this. No way a 22 year old ronaldo or messi or ibra or rooney would do it.
Which is probably right but what has this to do with the topic?
I presume they would resolve to train and play out of their skins to force their way back into the starting XI, or to show prospective buyers they are worth investing in.
Sorry for engaging in light hearted discussion without specifying a point worth your time mr Zehner.
Except he has little to back it up. He's not performed at a level, or applied himself for his opinion to mean a great deal.
The only thing he's resilient at is being a poor professional. This was seen in Dortmund and Manchester United. Hs also left a poor impression for England.
Imagine how many times he’s probably had to take him aside behind the scenes before he felt like going public was the next option? Also three months off and the secrecy surrounding all that the season before? He’s gone above and beyond with Sancho
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...0-000-Jadon-Sancho-Cocainna-Erik-ten-Hag.html
He's never had it better, 300k a week and zero responsibility on the pitch.
He's never had it better, 300k a week and zero responsibility on the pitch.
That people are trying to pretend that this was just some isolated incident that ETH overreacted to. Lads. Take a day off.
I disagree, he got called out and instead of knuckling down he went and cried online pouting about bad treatment when the reality is he has been catered for more than anyone in the squad, Maguire for instance has had a load more shit than him and he didn't whinge and cry about it.
And that's not to talk about professionalism being on time for stuff is the minimum I work with young kids who can be on time for a job that pays so little in comparison, being late shows a lack of respect to your manager and your teammates
Apology accepted
Jokes aside, I just didn't get what the point was. Ten Hag is a coach and Sancho is a (young) player so they will be held to different standards. In Ten Hag's case, leadership is a crucial quality required to do his job while a big ego is rather a negative. In case of a player, leadership is good to have but not a requirement as showcased by many world class players who had a big ego and were terrible leaders.Mostly that I guess with ETH it’s always brought up a negative whereas Sancho being ‘resilient’ is more positive. They’re both just stubborn but I think once has much more of a reason to be.Apology accepted
Exactly. Going on and on about ETH damaging an asset to the club by speaking out? If Sancho kept turning out the same level for another year or two he’d just be taking someone more deserving space in the squad and losing value rapidly. The manager is there to manage the players. This is literally his job. He’ll have tried everything else in private before this. It’s on Sancho. The fact he hasn’t apologised just shows to me that being here as a marquee player means very little to Sancho so let someone else who really wants it have a proper go and let him leave. The problem is the pool of clubs who can take him on is tiny and even less when he can’t even be arsed trying.
Not entirely sure who some of these comments are referring to. Sancho, or THE ZOL.
I’m torn on the above, could be about Sancho but if anyone deserves that sort of salary it’s someone with one of the best reaction per post score I’ve seen in years.
It took us an entire year to bring Sancho to OT and yet no one bothered checking if he had attitude issues. We also gave him a huge salary that made zero sense for a 22 year old as even in a perfect scenario (ie he becomes the next big thing) we would have to either increase it substantially at every contract renewal or sell him off. Jadon has us by the b"lls. He's on a huge salary and a long term contract which means that the club will have to find an arrangement that suits him or else he'll dig his heels in. Those conditions are simply too tough economically wise for us to sustain it on a long term basis. So we'll have to concede that he'll probably get what he wants.
Whoever had done this deal should be named, shamed and then sacked. He shouldn't have a job in football
Whoever had done this deal should be named, shamed and then sacked. He shouldn't have a job in football
Spot on. Criticise EtH for a lot of things (tactics, formation, team selection) but to question him at a time, and on a matter when he’s trying hard to bring discipline, standards and hard work as a non-negotiable back to the club - during a time when we’ve been ruled by player power and overpaid primadonnas for over a decade….nah, not having that.Yes. Hanging on to an unprofessional player because you don’t want to lower his value is stupid management. And it is what you guys have been doing for years and it never once worked out. You tried this with so many players, Pogba the most popular example. All it led to was paying bad players huge wages for subpar performances. But the value in the books was good.
These ideas and this line of thinking is what caused United to deteriorate so quickly. After years and years of acting like a business instead of a football club, one would think that the fans at the club would somehow understand that this is exactly the problem. But to actively demand a continuation of this failed strategy is so mad, it’s actually funny.
Get rid of Sancho no matter what. This is about culture and the soul of your club. You don’t play players because they might gain value. You play them to win. Sancho doesn’t help winning. So get rid. Sometimes it’s that easy.
Credit ETH for bringing back standards to the club. I was a big fan of Sancho. The type of player, on form, I could watch all day. That being said even if he was regularly on form ETH would still be absolutely right with how he has handled this.
Absolutely. Top players do that. Real madrid players couldn't stand Jose in his third season but none acted like Sancho. In fact played their a** out. Marcelo being the prime example.
Ibra couldn't stand Pep, he didn't go out in open and mock him. Go and play and then leave.
Shame he cares so little for his club and country. No ambition or drive whatsoever
Worst signing ever made by the club not even a debate anymore, should be forced out as soon as possible.
Epitomises the major issues we've had over the last decade, recruitment and massive contracts.
Thankfully pogba and lingard are gone, sancho and martial next please.
Thankfully pogba and lingard are gone, sancho and martial next please.
I couldn't agree with you more
Fair play mate, as I said I don’t think we’re that far off.
I fully agree that it is now at a point where EtH can’t climb down, I’m just frustrated that it was allowed to get here when EtH was actually willing to work with the player.
I don’t know EtH but given the unnecessary questioning following this fall out I don’t think he’d make such a flippant remark again about the player. No one envisioned this.
Source. ‘There were loads of reports’ sums this thread up. This place have a habit of dismissing reports when they don’t say what they like then using them to back assumptions. The reason the question is a good one is because people struggle to answer it directly.
He’s had 3 windows. If he made it a priority he could have sold Sancho. Again, Sancho is not out of the squad now for anything more than his reaction on Social Media. You can speculate all you like about matters beyond this but that’s just it. . . speculation.
So he was told he had to use him but after a public fall out that he initiated he is allowed to banish him to the u18s? Ok.
Again, this was EtHs attempt to light a fire under Sancho & for whatever reason it didn’t work. We now find ourselves without the leadership to bang their heads together.
From the very beginning of this I have remained consistent that both parties could/should have done things differently. Simply backing EtH because ‘he’s the manager’ is just a take I can’t get behind. If he had the clout of a Klopp or Pep then fine but calling people out for their performances in public then going on to lose 13 games by Christmas doesn’t sit right.
For what it’s worth I reckon neither will be at United next season.
Ok so what is a reaction score and even more important, how the feck do I get a decent rpp?
While it's obviously been a disastrous deal, I don't agree that he 'Has us by the balls' here.
With a new regime coming in I think this is the perfect time to set a precedent. Make it clear that we won't be subsidising his wages to leave the club, that he'll have to take a wage cut should he fancy playing football again and doesnt fancy a trip to the middle East.
His alternative of course is to sit in the reserves collecting his cheque from us, which while a bummer, is not going to harm us financially should the new guys in charge do the minimum and start spending wisely from here on in.
This would show that we aren't a soft fecking touch anymore, and I bet he'd be moving on within a window or two anyway.
Very much so. Fans (and the press) largely ignore this though; a battle between two individual adversaries is much more fun. Lazy Sancho v Restorer of Standards EtH; Misunderstood Mentally Ill Sancho v Egotistical Bully EtH. Pick your side and defend it to the death!
This for example, from Chris wheeler, who's actually been relatively reliable when it comes to united news.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...nthony-Martial-13-Man-United-stars-leave.html
It was going round at the time he was on the list of people to sell to raise money. He could only leave so he would not cause a loss for FFP, so a decent fee was needed and no one was interested.
I don't know what you're really asking for when it comes to "making a priority". He's made it an absolute priority now, but what exactly else could he have done in the summer for example, to make it a priority?
Ok that's a fair point, I imagine he wasn't "told to use him", but he was told no one would pay what we need to sell him for so he won't be going anywhere.
I don't really know what leadership is meant to do here as no one is interested in paying any sort of fee we need for him. You can only undermine your manager by telling him who he has to play, or take the financial hit.
I don't particularly care about who the manager is in this scenario, I'm mainly looking at the performances of someone we paid £70m+ and is one of our top earners. He was crap when he first got here, we gave him the benefit of the doubt due to adapting to the league and hasn't improved a jot since he's been here. I'm not particularly backing the manager, I just don't believe for Sancho's side at all as he has 0 creditability here.
Probably true, but if they both aren't, it won't be down to the other.
It will be of their own doing in both cases.
What I don't get it doesn't even have to be a public apology or even an apology in front of the team. Go into Ten hags office and just shake his hand and say you'll do better. That's it. Ten Hag would just say it was sorted behind closed doors. If Sancho is unable to do that then get rid of him. It would be great if Ten hag invited him in for a chat along with the owners just to ease it along a bit but Sancho is just too childish and probably enjoying the break from professional football. An absolute coward he is and a joke of a player. Its everything you don't want at United. He was on 100K at Dortmund, why in the feck did United offer him 350K. He does have potential but just an absolute gowl of a human being. He'll look like a fecing idiot now apologizing and the fans will turn on him and rightfully so, even with a new manager. Get rid of him.
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You're a 10 like me. Basically elite top reds. Sit back with a cigar and laugh at others.
Pfft.
If he's reportedly waiting to see if ten Hag gets the boot, the next manager isn't going to entertain him if he's out partying when he should be training. Even if we got rid for free I'd be happy at this point, he's such a waste of space.
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We have so many big names come here and then hate it? Ronadlo Sancho Sanchez Lukaku Pogba Di Maria even Zlatan was saying we had a small club mentality if I’m not mistaken? Varane and casemiro supposedly looking for a way out. Rashford looking like he’d rather not be playing? Surely it’s the owners and the standards they set. This should be a great stage for skilful cocky players (who are at the top of their game) but most don’t seem to end up doing well enough here
We have so many big names come here and then hate it? Ronadlo Sancho Sanchez Lukaku Pogba Di Maria even Zlatan was saying we had a small club mentality if I’m not mistaken? Varane and casemiro supposedly looking for a way out. Rashford looking like he’d rather not be playing? Surely it’s the owners and the standards they set. This should be a great stage for skilful cocky players (who are at the top of their game) but most don’t seem to end up doing well enough here
Technically speaking it wasn't a lie.. other players does really need minutes on the pitch too, while there could as well be tactical reason for not playing him.That would still be a lie, obvious one. Sancho wasn't selected, not benched. Everyone could tell something fishy was going on.
Big squad? Everyone was injured ffs. You'd need to come up with better lie if that the route you pick.
The key factor is Sancho would've snitched regardlessly
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Not true. ETH wanted to train Sancho to play in middle as false 10. Team litteraly didnt have anyone can play that role. Sancho wasnt competing his spot with anyone which was why interviewer asked the question.
Last year he was shielded from media because of "mental issue", everyone gave him a pass. This time, a half ass lie wouldn't work
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I have no idea how he can sit there watching Mainoo and Garnacho building fantastic careers and think, “nope, I’m not gonna apologise and work my arse off to get some of that too, perfectly happy sitting on the PS5 and insisting that I’m right”
Isn’t there anyone who he’ll listen to willing to tell him the hard truth,? That he needs to crawl to the managers office, bend the knee and work like a demon to earn another chance.
Isn’t there anyone who he’ll listen to willing to tell him the hard truth,? That he needs to crawl to the managers office, bend the knee and work like a demon to earn another chance.
Mourinho was far far far worse. It's ridiculous to compare his toxic bullshit with ETH's little comment.
All Ten Hag did was say that Sancho didn't get chosen for that game because he didn't train well in the days leading up to it and other players deserved the spot.
Jadon will be taking around 65m out of us and there's still the transfer fee to consider. That's a 100m write off to say the least. And that's just money.
Football is a close knit industry and all our homegrown players know one another. How would the likes of Rashford, Mainoo and Shaw take it with us letting their mate;s career rot? Also note that reserves football does not exist anymore. Therefore Sancho will have to play with the U23s. Do you want that guy alongside the likes of Gore and Hannibal?
There are lessons to be learnt out of this but for the time being we need to cut our losses. Hopefully a new sporting director can come in and is able to find a suitable solutions for all parties. My fear is that Juventus are circling around the guy and they are masters in persuading people to come to them and then use that persuasion as leverage for a deal that suits only them
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