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Antony, Sancho, Martial, McTominay, Maguire, Lindelof, Donny...the rest can stay
This.Hojlund, Garnacho, Mainoo, Martinez & Shaw. I like Dalot as well but I don’t think he’s untouchable.
Build the team around your first 3 mentioned. Everyone else sell if the money is right. In some cases need to be crazy money ie Bruno £100m plus. Ie crazy. We need to learn to trade and sell better not just blindly extend. If players not good enough get rid. Think Rashford needs to try pastures new in the summer PSG would probably suit him. Huge summer ahead.For me only Garnacho, Hoijlund, Mainoo, Bruno, Shaw, Dalot & Martinez are of the quality to stay. And Dalot as a backup, not a starter.
Pretty much agree with all those groups.There are degrees.
1. Flat out untouchable - I'd say only Mainoo, Garnacho and Martinez. I can't see any possible reason why we'd sell them.
2. Very nearly so - Højlund, Bruno and Shaw. For them, it'd take some powerful reason other than their performance, such as a fundamental stylistic shift they'd be unsuited to.
3. Those who haven't given really compelling reasons to be kept, but where it's arguably also too early to decide they should go - Onana, Bayindir, Malacia, Mount, Amad.
4. Players who can play a useful squad role, but who really need to be upgraded on: Either Dalot or Wan-Bissaka, Antony
5. Players who can play, but should be considered sold if there's a good offer: Varane, Lindelöf, Maguire, Casemiro, McTominay, Pellistri
6. Players who just need to be moved out: Eriksen, Hannibal, Sancho, Martial. And Amrabat, obviously.
Add Bruno and I agree.As the title says, there has been many reports about INEOS bringing in a number of new footballing minds to spearhead our recruitment and overall squad direction going forward. As with any time new decision makers come in, we can expect some changes to be made. Assuming we don't magically put forth some title contending second half form and largely stay the team we are now on our way to a 5th/6th place finish, I'm of the opinion that much of the squad needs to be turned over and we start fresh (Ragnick style). Whether or not you may agree, I am curious who the Cafe thinks are the utter untouchables from our squad that you absolutely don't want sold.
My list:
Hojlund- promising striker prospect perhaps coming into his own recently. Far too much potential to ditch after 1 year though especially with how dry the market is
Garnacho- obvious choice. Has carried our attack at times this season as a teenager.
Mainoo- Again another obvious choice. Build the entire midfield around him.
Shaw - Getting up there in age but it's very hard to find fullbacks as complete as he is when fit.
Martinez- the injury issues give me pause, but he's far too good when fit.
Dalot- Not very well liked by the Cafe but he has a very solid skillset and is quietly having his best season so far with the club.
Some notable names aren't on the list, but these are really the only players that I'd absolutely hate to see leave this summer. Everyone else is expendable for various reasons.
Shaw or no Shaw is another one.But otherwise seems we are all on the same page
I'd imagine the only real concern about him is his injury record / availability?Shaw or no Shaw is another one.
We’ll obviously free up some wages from the likes of Martial, Greenwood, Beek, Sancho. Then we have the ones like Maguire/McTominay who could have gone last year, plus people want Casemiro/Varane gone. We’d have no squad left if we cleared all of that. Let alone getting to players like Dalot, Bruno, Rashford etc.not sure if it is realistic to expect a fire sale. I honestly think our first eleven are pretty good except for the goal keeper.
We would be much higher up the table if not for those injuries. But let's say if we do have a fire sale. I'll keep the following as first team (not necessary starters):
Shaw, Malacia, Dalot, Martinez, Casemiro, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount, Garnacho, Hojlund
From the above list, the absolute must keep would be Martinez and Shaw.
Yes. His fitness is a big question mark, given his history with us. In my opinion, that rules him out of any future plans.I'd imagine the only real concern about him is his injury record / availability?
When he's fit and available, he's surely an 'untouchable'. But we miss him so much when he's not available which, sadly, is far more often than ideal. So, yeah, I guess there's an argument that we could get an upgrade in terms of someone who is likely to be available much more and so has us more consistently solid down the left. Though it would be hard to get an upgrade in terms of someone better than a fit Luke Shaw.
This 100%.This forum is forever obsessed with us selling nearly all our players. Here are some very simple reasons why it will never happen amd would be a really, REALLY stupid idea:
1) most of them we would struggle to sell as other clubs both can't afford their wages and don't have any money to sign them, or don't need them.
2) There is no such thing as a fire sale at a football club unless it goes into administration, because otherwise you would have no players left and get relegated. (The only PL team I remember doing this is Leeds. It ended with them going from about the level we are now, to getting relegated for nearly 20 years)
3) It is invariably a disaster if you try and implement a massive turnover of players in the space of one transfer window. See Chelsea FC circa: now
4) Players can actually decide if they want to leave or not, and won't if for example you try to sell them to West Ham on a severely reduced wage. This is unless their contract runs out in which case you don't get to sell thrm amd don't get any money so then can't replace them unless it's with Johnny Evans.
Thing is, if you're look at our CBs to sell/get rid off, Evans is probably 2nd behing Martinez in the "keep" rankings.The feck?
Varane will be out of contract in the summer. We have a +1 option, but it seems that we won't be triggering it and will instead try to get him to accept reduced terms. The whole situation is pretty reminiscent of the De Gea case last year.Thing is, if you're look at our CBs to sell/get rid off, Evans is probably 2nd behing Martinez in the "keep" rankings.
Maguire and Lindelof aren't good enough for varying reasons and both need to go (and we can get at least £50m between them you'd think). Varane is good enough but you'd be happy to sell for a good fee.
Obviously he isn't untouchable, but don't think there is any rush to get him out the door.
Yeah, I understand the logic. It was just the "untouchable" tag regarding Evans. Pretty hilarious.Thing is, if you're look at our CBs to sell/get rid off, Evans is probably 2nd behing Martinez in the "keep" rankings.
Maguire and Lindelof aren't good enough for varying reasons and both need to go (and we can get at least £50m between them you'd think). Varane is good enough but you'd be happy to sell for a good fee.
Obviously he isn't untouchable, but don't think there is any rush to get him out the door.
I mean I come from the POV that if we end up 6th this year and then just run it back with a couple of new players and the same group that's been around for 3-4 managers now, what the feck are we really doing? Do you really expect change or drastically better results?not sure if it is realistic to expect a fire sale. I honestly think our first eleven are pretty good except for the goal keeper.
We would be much higher up the table if not for those injuries. But let's say if we do have a fire sale. I'll keep the following as first team (not necessary starters):
Shaw, Malacia, Dalot, Martinez, Casemiro, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount, Garnacho, Hojlund
From the above list, the absolute must keep would be Martinez and Shaw.
I'm in the camp that we need 2 top class CB signings this summer. Branthwaite seems like an obvious target, and Todibo or someone else as the other one. But we need at least two, keeping Maguire/Lindelof around is fecking pointless and as you said it wouldn't surprise me if Varane leaves for one last move.Thing is, if you're look at our CBs to sell/get rid off, Evans is probably 2nd behing Martinez in the "keep" rankings.
Maguire and Lindelof aren't good enough for varying reasons and both need to go (and we can get at least £50m between them you'd think). Varane is good enough but you'd be happy to sell for a good fee.
Obviously he isn't untouchable, but don't think there is any rush to get him out the door.
1.) While this might have been true in past years, for the most part our wage bill isn't a catastrophe these days and the highest earners can still be sold/sought after for decent to good fees. Rashford, Bruno, and even Casemiro/Varane would all attract interest. Maguire is the obvious black sheep, but at this point even he can be convinced to leave especially post Euros.This forum is forever obsessed with us selling nearly all our players. Here are some very simple reasons why it will never happen amd would be a really, REALLY stupid idea:
1) most of them we would struggle to sell as other clubs both can't afford their wages and don't have any money to sign them, or don't need them.
2) There is no such thing as a fire sale at a football club unless it goes into administration, because otherwise you would have no players left and get relegated. (The only PL team I remember doing this is Leeds. It ended with them going from about the level we are now, to getting relegated for nearly 20 years)
3) It is invariably a disaster if you try and implement a massive turnover of players in the space of one transfer window. See Chelsea FC circa: now
4) Players can actually decide if they want to leave or not, and won't if for example you try to sell them to West Ham on a severely reduced wage. This is unless their contract runs out in which case you don't get to sell thrm amd don't get any money so then can't replace them unless it's with Johnny Evans.
More or less what I was thinkingHojlund, Garnacho, Martinez, Mainoo, Rashford, Bruno, Shaw.
Would be happy to keep Varane and Case around, but they're probably part of a small pool who could fetch a decent fee from Saudi.
I've no qualms in us keeping McTominay, Dalot, AWB and Lindelof around either.
Hey rid ASAP - Martial, Sancho, Greenwood, Amrabat, Antony and can see Mount and Onana being added to this list before too long.
Sane post!! Yikes. Security, over here, please.Hojlund - no brainer due to age and potential
Garnacho - no brainer due to age and potential
Shaw - he’s very good and we have very little depth at LB so selling Shaw would cause unnecessary disruption
Martinez - excellent at what he does. Question marks over his fitness but with Varane OOC, Maguire below required level, we require a major CB refresh this summer and Martinez needs to be the constant
Mainoo - no brainer due to age and potential
Bruno - you could argue he might be one that would need to make way to form a new team as he is such a key cog of the current one but I think it’s too early for that. There are far bigger problems than our captain and often best player
Rashford - similar to Bruno really. His wages could make a sale tempting if he continues to frustrate with his performances but there’s plenty of other players that could significantly reduce the wage bill such as Varane, Casemiro, Sancho, Martial, Antony, Maguire so the money doesn’t need to be a factor this summer. Only if he has a negative influence on the dressing room should he be sold but I don’t think that has been the case yet
Dalot - just a really useful player to have even if used as a squad player. Can play both full back positions, good attitude, rarely injured, only 24, not on a massive wage and tied up until 2028.
+ Lindelof - slayer of muggers, owner of the finest WAG and crossdresser supreme. Also a very nice manAs the title says, there has been many reports about INEOS bringing in a number of new footballing minds to spearhead our recruitment and overall squad direction going forward. As with any time new decision makers come in, we can expect some changes to be made. Assuming we don't magically put forth some title contending second half form and largely stay the team we are now on our way to a 5th/6th place finish, I'm of the opinion that much of the squad needs to be turned over and we start fresh (Ragnick style). Whether or not you may agree, I am curious who the Cafe thinks are the utter untouchables from our squad that you absolutely don't want sold.
My list:
Hojlund- promising striker prospect perhaps coming into his own recently. Far too much potential to ditch after 1 year though especially with how dry the market is
Garnacho- obvious choice. Has carried our attack at times this season as a teenager.
Mainoo- Again another obvious choice. Build the entire midfield around him.
Shaw - Getting up there in age but it's very hard to find fullbacks as complete as he is when fit.
Martinez- the injury issues give me pause, but he's far too good when fit.
Dalot- Not very well liked by the Cafe but he has a very solid skillset and is quietly having his best season so far with the club.
Some notable names aren't on the list, but these are really the only players that I'd absolutely hate to see leave this summer. Everyone else is expendable for various reasons.
we're talking of untouchables here ie players we shouldn't sell irrespective of fee and circumstances. That list is bound to be small unless we're treble winners.This forum is forever obsessed with us selling nearly all our players. Here are some very simple reasons why it will never happen amd would be a really, REALLY stupid idea:
1) most of them we would struggle to sell as other clubs both can't afford their wages and don't have any money to sign them, or don't need them.
2) There is no such thing as a fire sale at a football club unless it goes into administration, because otherwise you would have no players left and get relegated. (The only PL team I remember doing this is Leeds. It ended with them going from about the level we are now, to getting relegated for nearly 20 years)
3) It is invariably a disaster if you try and implement a massive turnover of players in the space of one transfer window. See Chelsea FC circa: now
4) Players can actually decide if they want to leave or not, and won't if for example you try to sell them to West Ham on a severely reduced wage. This is unless their contract runs out in which case you don't get to sell thrm amd don't get any money so then can't replace them unless it's with Johnny Evans.
For me it's more of the fact that you just aren't going to find someone of his quality in the market without paying huge money. His injury record isn't horrendous in recent years either (at least not like say a Martial), he started 31 league games just last year. No doubt you have to have a quality backup for him but as far as squad composition goes I just wouldn't get rid personally because he's not going to command a good enough fee at his age.I am surprised by the amount of people putting Shaw in an untouchable list. Dude cant stay healthy. I get he is quality when fit and on form, but that is just so rare anymore id easily leave him off an untouchable list.