You’re trying to compare a team and a new manager where one team brought a new manager in but carried on using a similar system. The other team brought a new manager in and changed absolutely everything.
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At least most results went in our favour today
Okay. I was pointing to the assassination of Zirkzee. What other examples spring to mind as evidence of brilliant in game management?
Whilst this is broadly true, we were at home and played shocking. We have a better squad than wolves too. There's little excuse for failing simple tasks, Amorim said himself these facets aren't related to a system.
Revisionism, that's factually wrong, he had great games and was dropped for consecutive matches. For example vs Liverpool, I know you might have liked ETH but don't let that get in the way of facts.
How on earth can he play Forson ahead of him, or even Anthony. ETH and Ole not seing his talent and constantly loan him is not acceptable. But the way ETH treated him after good games was even worse.
There are many examples where he has tried to change things, sometime successful, what games have you been watching to not recognise that?
Yes, looks that way. Ten Hag would have won 2nd, ha ha. As dire as his football was, he has the highest win percentage of any post Fergie manager after Mourinho. I still think a top striker would have saved his job, and some luck with injuries would have been nice too.
What successful improvement can you point to that isn't a generic default of 3 at the back and packing out the midfield?
Oh, so the “no examples” example is what you’d like to add?
He also had one of the highest loss percentages, and set records for getting beat by high scores.
A bounce just means a temporary upswing in performances and/or results. What the hell is a ''fake'' bounce?
This is just another post along the lines of "relegation may be good for us, so I'm happy we're losing every match".
Not sure what dictionary you used. I googled, Bounce: move quickly up, back, or away from a surface after hitting it.
Got your point though
One example here:
Also last match, the changes gave us much more chances. There are other matches, but I don't have the time to find them all, I am not sure why you don't see it? You just have to see his in-match sub times, to see him making subs early.
Shows he recognises issues early and tries to correct them, not his fault the players sometimes are not good enough.
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Not how I remember it, he was a starter soon after that Pool game. This discussion was going on then too.
Wrong, we finished third not second. He‘s confused.
Not confused, genuine mistake.
From the horses mouth:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/amad-ten-hag-man-utd-34376167
He was considered 5th choice for one of the 3 attacking positions. Says it all about ETH, he was deluded.
What‘s this supposed to prove? That the others were in better form than Amad? Exactly what I was saying.
Amad had to fight for his spot and that is how it should be.
ETH literally has the worst points per game in the league out of all our managers, not to mention all the negative records he set.
Mouinrho: 1.89
Ole: 1.80
LVG: 1.78
Moyes: 1.72
ETH: 1.71
If you can't see ETH didn't rate him, hence his limited play time I don't know what to say!
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Nah man that was nonsense, he was injured, then slowly introduced and became a starter as soon as he produced.
Produced? He produced every time he came on even for few mins. And even after a good game he was either hooked early or dropped in subsequent matches sometimes even consecutive matches.
Anthony, Rashford and Gernacho were really setting the league on fire weren't they.
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You remember wrong then.
The Liverpool game was on the 17th of March. Amad didn't get a single minute for almost a month after that, and didn't get a start until almost two months after it. He only started the final three league games of the season (being arguably our best player in two of them), then was easily our best player in preseason, won our player of the month in August then only started four more games during ETH's final two months. Admittedly his form did drop off a bit in September so originally dropping back to the bench was the right thing to do, but it was very obvious that instead of being in a three way rotation with Rashford and Garnacho (which is how it should have been) he was instantly dropped significantly down the pecking order behind them. Amad had to be in absolute top form every match to keep getting chosen, while the players he was competing with could have shocker after shocker.
Amad was one of the few bright spots at the start of the season, I said so in his thread. Then he got dropped for no obvious reason. Then again not much Ten Hag did ever made much sense.
This, couldn't have said it better!
Agree, I stopped watching his interviews near the end, he was either constantly lying to the press or seriously deluded. He kept waffling about the process for the whole time he was here, never explaining what the process was.
Your memory is not very good.
Trying to be optimistic, but once tomorrow is out of the way I think our fixture list for the second of the season is a lot better than the first.
We’ll have been away to City / Arsenal / Liverpool. Still a lot of tough aways due to the strength of the league (Newcastle / Forest / Chelsea) but it’s a bit of optimism anyway.
We’ll have been away to City / Arsenal / Liverpool. Still a lot of tough aways due to the strength of the league (Newcastle / Forest / Chelsea) but it’s a bit of optimism anyway.
No, he was injured after Pool game, then had sub appearances where he wasn’t that good. Exactly what I have been saying.
As soon as he contributed, he got picked. That is how it went down.
That's how I remember it. He had one good performance, then the next couple he looked lightweight and people started doubting he had the goods. Then the injury, then he slowly played his way back into the team.
That's not how it went down, Ten Hag and his stans have infiltrated this thread.
Whatever dude, I watched every game and that is what happened.That's not how it went down, Ten Hag and his stans have infiltrated this thread.
Utter bollocks, you are on ignore now.Produced? He produced every time he came on even for few mins. And even after a good game he was either hooked early or dropped in subsequent matches sometimes even consecutive matches.
Anthony, Rashford and Gernacho were really setting the league on fire weren't they.
ETH please leave the thread, it's getting ridiculous now.
You are incorrect. In the eight matches after that Liverpool game he only missed one match day squad against Brentford, and that was due to the red card he got for his celebration, not due to injury. He remained an unused sub in a few of those games, and got limited sub minutes in a few others. Anthony, Garnacho and Rashford were all preferred ahead of him despite his availability.
The main problem for amorim is that the players he has were built for a completely different formation (add to that the fact that those players are average!).
LWB and a striker are needed for sure. But what about the 10s? Mount is always injured. Zirkzee is a nightmare. Amad? I prefer amad as a RWB. Mount injured. Marcus has a foot out of the club already (and is not good enough anyway). Garnacho? He doesn’t seem to be making the right progress in this position (he’s a winger). So that’s another area that needs significant improvement.
Midfield? Eriksen and Casemiro are no longer good enough. The newcastle game clearly showed that (as if we needed more evidence anyway!). We’re left with mainoo and ugarte. So that also needs strengthening.
Our goalkeeper isn’t doing great either.
What i mean is that i do not think the club will make “a significant improvement” with a couple of signings. A LWB and a striker (and not osimhen and his attitude please) will of course be a step in the right direction, but we have a lot of work to be done.
When was he injured? Amad missed the very next game due to the suspension he got from the Liverpool game, then was back on the bench the next couple of games. The next time he actually got on the field against Bournemouth he looked impressive again, and he bounced between average to good in the remainder of his sub appearances for the next month (which was better than most of the other attackers at the time). I don't even have too much of an issue of that period when he was finally starting to get appearances off the bench; more how long it took for him to get those appearances and then again about how quickly ETH dropped him down the pecking order this season after just a couple of off-games.
At the end of the day, Amad was fit from January up until when ETH was fired at the end of October. In those 10 months he started just 10 games, and he was one of our best players, if not our best, in 6 of them (Arsenal and Newcastle in the league last season, City in the Community Shield, then Brighton, Liverpool and Southampton in the league this season). That's actually a fantastic ratio of good performances, so this idea that Amad really only kicked into gear after ETH left really isn't the case. He was already performing when he was actually given the opportunity, but ETH preferred numerous other players ahead of him.
Sorry you feel that way
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They live in a fantasy land where they seem to just make things up so that have something to try and argue back and forth with, despite their claims being demonstrably false. It’s really quite bizarre.
For an Amorim thread there's a weird obsession with people making up things about our previous manager
You are right, he was suspended.
What I remember from his sub appearances in this period is that he wasn‘t great.