Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

My feeling is that we setup way too negative against Ipswich at home. Looking at the XI for second half we have only 3 offensive mindes players on the pitch in Bruno, Hojlund and Zirkzee. Even with 11 players its far too negative. Especially when our fullbacks arent even offensive minded!

This is not good at all..
 
Attila said:
He seems a bit lost. He didn’t expect this level of shitshow and isn’t sure what to do

But if you sack him the shitshow is still there.

Basically just close the club
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Apparently, I think getting a new manager will mean Onana turns world class, because of systems innit
 
Attila said:
He seems a bit lost. He didn’t expect this level of shitshow and isn’t sure what to do

But if you sack him the shitshow is still there.

Basically just close the club
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A year in the championship could be good for us honestly. Just get rid of the drama and the expectations.
 
Adisa said:
I think we are bad no matter the formation but this obsession with three at the back is bizarre.

Why should coach be wedded to a formation? It doesn’t make sense.
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Yeah pretty weird and also not something I’ve seen from any other top manager.

Like I understand having a preferred system, but being completely unyielding with it is pretty stupid
 
Thom Merrilin said:
you can think the team selection and shape is wrong, which is debatable, but is that the reason we conceded those goals and are a man down?
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It’s isn’t debatable. It’s a tangible shambles. It’s not reason for those things but maybe having a better shape wouldn’t have led us to a position where we’re under pressure. Maybe not having Yoro on the left wing and instead, had a winger there and Bruno not at centre could’ve led to another goal.
 
Posh Red said:
I genuinely thought today would be an occasion where no one would even attempt to spin this on the manager, but I was wrong.
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No one expects miracles of him but maybe not THIS bad. We’re bad but we’re better than 15th. We still have good players in this squad, players that would get into plenty of other teams and thrive.
 
Rasmus_9 said:
Garnacho is literally our only player able to take a player on and create something.
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He isn't very good at that though, that's the issue, he can only run with his head down, and he's incredibly wasteful.

Zirkzee is much better at holding on to the ball, Hojlund in fairness is equally as ineffective as Garnacho, so he could have gone off, but he can operate centrally so it's a coin toss really.
 
Fooza said:
Apparently, I think getting a new manager will mean Onana turns world class, because of systems innit
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I feel like I’m in an episode of black mirror. I came in here and saw people blaming the formation and thought it must have been from last week.
 
With great teams like Peps Barcelona, you usually knew exactly how they were going to line up and play. Yet there's usually very little you could do about it.

With this Manchester United team, you know exactly which formation they will use, who is likely to play in each position and how they will play throughout the game. Yet there's very little they seem to want to do about it.
 
Basically everything that has been said about ten Hag also applies to him.

And after all we have seen in the past years there are still people holding up to that "he needs time, he needs  his players" narrative.

He's the next huge failure of this club and I doubt we have many failures left before going to the Championship.
 
Amorim may have shite the bed with the sub, but instead of questioning why he had to make the sub in the first place, you would naturally think to question the players making stupid individual mistakes

no... let's go for a sacking
 
How on Earth is this his fault? We actually played well in between two Onanas (it clearly should just be a synonym for inexplicably idiotic goaltending) and a questionable red.
 
Maybe he should just start playing a few of the CB's in attack instead? Martinez has a couple of goals too. They're much better than Hojilund and Zirkzee.
 
Fooza said:
Amorim may have shite the bed with the sub, but instead of questioning why he had to make the sub in the first place, you would naturally think to question the players making stupid individual mistakes

no... let's go for a sacking
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Exactly.

All those frothing at the mouth on the forum right now are morons.
 
Beachryan said:
How on Earth is this his fault? We actually played well in between two Onanas (it clearly should just be a synonym for inexplicably idiotic goaltending) and a questionable red.
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He bears some of the responsibility for sure. The communication error on the first goal, somewhat. He picks the team.
 
acnumber9 said:
It’s isn’t debatable. It’s a tangible shambles. It’s not reason for those things but maybe having a better shape wouldn’t have led us to a position where we’re under pressure. Maybe not having Yoro on the left wing and instead, had a winger there and Bruno not at centre could’ve led to another goal.
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Yoro is not playing left wing, idk what you're watching but if that's your understanding of the formation I can see why you think it's a mess.
 
Insanity said:
God!

I have been saying that we shouldn't have bought Onana from way before it became cool to say so. The argument was that the manager won't put a 18-19 year old ahead of him.

I am sure you'll get it this time because I am tired.

And to end...:lol::lol:
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Well we can agree on that at least.
 
Knux said:
My feeling is that we setup way too negative against Ipswich at home. Looking at the XI for second half we have only 3 offensive mindes players on the pitch in Bruno, Hojlund and Zirkzee. Even with 11 players its far too negative. Especially when our fullbacks arent even offensive minded!

This is not good at all..
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What’s Bruno and what’s Dorgu?

How’s Dorgu not attack minded?
 
Top reds just see what they want to see. No rational human being can look at our performances since he joined and tell me meaningful progress has been made. That's Communist Russia levels of willful obtuseness. I just don't understand why people get so attached to managers. We don't owe these guys anything. They have to earn time and trust. It can't just be handed to them on a platter.
 
Thom Merrilin said:
If you meant he was going into advanced positions sometimes then just say that. You'd probably complain if pep was our manager that the formation is a mess.
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I thought was blindingly obvious. I’ll post in neon letters next time.

I’d probably have less reason to complain if we won football matches. Pretty sure Guardiola has never refused to play a single second without 5 defenders on the pitch. If we had a defender have to go off the pitch for treatment for thirty seconds Amorim would break into a cold sweat. I remember Mourinho getting maligned for doing it to see out games or away to Liverpool. Now we’re supposed to be happy we do it every week and lose.
 
Dannn411 said:
Top reds just see what they want to see. No rational human being can look at our performances since he joined and tell me meaningful progress has been made. That's Communist Russia levels of willful obtuseness. I just don't understand why people get so attached to managers. We don't owe these guys anything. They have to earn time and trust. It can't just be handed to them on a platter.
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I think there is a middle ground. He has unquestionably been handed an absolute shit sandwich. But, we’ve been really poor. I think if we hit 40+ points, he should be safe and we should continue the experiment next season.
 
People defend Amorim because they like him and want him to succeed. That’s not a bad thing. But yes, performances and results have been poor.

The reason he gets a bit of understanding and patience is because the performances and results were poor before too, with the same group of players, coupled with the fact he hasn’t been able to bring many of his own signings in.

He deserves time and a window or two. But we definitely need to see the green shoots of progress at the start of next season.
 
Dannn411 said:
Top reds just see what they want to see. No rational human being can look at our performances since he joined and tell me meaningful progress has been made. That's Communist Russia levels of willful obtuseness. I just don't understand why people get so attached to managers. We don't owe these guys anything. They have to earn time and trust. It can't just be handed to them on a platter.
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Yeh, how dare the top reds give this manager support, he's been here for 4 long months which is too long, with a top team with lots of choices upfront, absolute top class attackers, midfielders and a gk. how can they not see logic?
 
acnumber9 said:
I thought was blindingly obvious. I’ll post in neon letters next time.

I’d probably have less reason to complain if we won football matches. Pretty sure Guardiola has never refused to play a single second without 5 defenders on the pitch. If we had a defender have to go off the pitch for treatment for thirty seconds Amorim would break into a cold sweat. I remember Mourinho getting maligned for doing it to see out games or away to Liverpool. Now we’re supposed to be happy we do it every week and lose.
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Just say what you actually mean, no need for neon lights or being dramatic about it.

We need to win more games, I agree. Pep regularly played with 5 defenders and we have played Antony and Amad at right wing back so I don't know what you're talking about.
 
Fooza said:
Yeh, how dare the top reds give this manager support, he's been here for 4 long months which is too long, with a top team with lots of choices upfront, absolute top class attackers, midfielders and a gk. how can they not see logic?
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At the level we are aspiring to be at 4 months is long enough to assess progress. Even 5 games is enough let alone 23. Why does he need the absolute top class players to make a team look good? A proper manager makes the best with what he has not make them so much worse than they actually are. Dont call blind support for a manager who has done nothing to deserve it "logic." It completely goes against everything that word means.
 
Thom Merrilin said:
Just say what you actually mean, no need for neon lights or being dramatic about it.

We need to win more games, I agree. Pep regularly played with 5 defenders and we have played Antony and Amad at right wing back so I don't know what you're talking about.
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You’re just being obtuse. The very odd exception have we played a winger at wing back. And been much better for it. That’s happened about 8% of his time here.
 
Dannn411 said:
At the level we are aspiring to be at 4 months is long enough to assess progress. Even 5 games is enough let alone 23. Why does he need the absolute top class players to make a team look good? A proper manager makes the best with what he has not make them so much worse than they actually are. Dont call blind support for a manager who has done nothing to deserve it "logic." It completely goes against everything that word means.
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I stopped reading here, you think 5 games is enough to assess? So you'd sack managers after every 5 games if you don't see any progress?
 
Whether you're happy to give him a free pass this season or not (I am), there's simply no argument against the fact all he's done so far is made us even worse. I sincerely hope something clicks during preseason, because if we carry on like this we could be in real trouble next season
 
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