My worry is just two fold here 1) I still dont think we'll offload Rashford for £40m. Villa have to trigger it and Rashford needs to accept it which feels far fetched also 2) We will need to be near flawless in our recruitment to replace a handful of these names with quality young talent
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Regarding 2); Is it Antony, Malacia and Casimero that you think will be hard to replace? Since I do think the rest will leave since their contracts comes to an end. (I think Rashford has played his last game for us)
I think it'll be hard replace that group with quality players. We won't need to replace *all* but we will ultimately need to source quality squad players:
So you're saying a front 3 of Hojlund Zirkzee Garnacho is 6th-7th best in the league?
Make a combined 11+ bench of current top 6 and tell me which of our players get in.
We've been rebuilding for about 10 years. There's plenty of stomach to go around.
Not our fault that the board and the managers keep fecking it up and it doesn't look like the trend is changing.
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If a front 3 of Hudson-Odoi, Elanga and Wood is sitting 3rd right now and Quatara, Semeyo and J Kluivert 7th, we should at least be in the mix.
Not all performing teams have a trio of Mbappe, Vini and Rodrygo.
Even considering all the valid aspects you pointed out, our team is underperforming massively under the new manager, judging by what he has at his disposal and comparing us to other clubs who sit comfortable above us, with less money and less valuable players. And what we are doing now has little to do with what Moyes or LVG did years ago(still better than what happens nowadays).
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So, relegation would be a good starting point? Maybe going into administration?
Or maybe "rebuild" is a word that could mean different things to different people in this context. Let alone "proper" rebuild.
No but close to where we are now. Don't pursue short term results in place of actually doing proper change to how we play and trying to drill that in. Pretty much every manager in the past has reverted back to a counter attack style or found something that suits the players temporarily in the aim of not losing their job. I think if Amorim had been here for longer he'd probably have been fired by now, but the board clearly recognise he's trying to perform a quite hefty change in many areas so he's likely got a free hit from now until at least the start of the next season.
Rebuilding a team is not the same as rebuilding your house or a stadium. It does not involve bricks and mortar.
It is more about finding the right manager, staff and players and should be done by trial and error, incrementally, because nobody is perfect and no one will take the right decision every time. It will be much harder for any manager to take us from 15th to 3rd than from 5th to 3rd.
It is more about finding the right manager, staff and players and should be done by trial and error, incrementally, because nobody is perfect and no one will take the right decision every time. It will be much harder for any manager to take us from 15th to 3rd than from 5th to 3rd.
This is the thing, I have been quite critical of Amorim in terms of improving us but I do like the fact that he is the only manager so far that has stuck to his principles.
Ole started really well during his interm term, realised that he got better results playing defensive, got good results against top teams which kept him in the job. Ten Hag started really poorly so he was under pressure in 2 games, he changed his style and it somewhat worked for a period until he wanted to change his style.
All these managers were always 2/3 bad results away from a sack during their entire managerial career at United.
What I am interesting in seing is will Amorim stick to his principles or revert to low block? He has seen and spoken about us looking more comfortable defending low, so will he keep that ?
Oh that's for sure. Not even our senior management would sack him unless we're still delivering poor performances and results by next December.
I also don't have a problem with fans demanding that we're at least in and around 10th in the table or asking for an all round good performance at least every 3 league games or so. If that happens, it's easier to excuse the inconsistency because there would be regular glimpses of a bright future.
Because the Klopp mid-season start keeps getting brought up, I remember them conceding a lot especially at home and ending up between 8th and 10th. But in between these performances they also thrashed City home and away and knocked us and a far stronger Dortmund out of the EL. I'd be thrilled with that sort of inconsistency. Right now, we're just consistently poor.
Very well put and agree 100%. Your first paragraph is basically what I meant with the formation suitability.
Does anyone else feel like we might just randomly become good one week?
I think we'll probably just randomly become good one week.
I think we'll probably just randomly become good one week.
not in any coming weeks, due to injuries, we're already in a crisis, one/two more will be a disaster.
Weirder things have happened, but probably not in our current state. There's not a single metric in our favour to suggest that a drastic upturn in performances is in the cards. But football is a funny game.
Not happening until a new RWB, a new 10 and a new striker are signed at least.
Another crucial summer coming up, that is for sure. I can't see much improvement from this squad, we are actually getting worse than 8th last season. Amorim must have a sensational transfer summer.
It's incredible isn't it? Wood has scored 18 PL goals so far, that's the same as Garnacho, Rashford, Zirkzee, Diallo and Hojlund combined. None of our forwards have ever scored that many league goals in a season.
You'd think having watched our squad struggle to attack through the ETH era would be enough to realise our squads shit. Our midfield is crap too and we've got an error prone GK.
There's always the possibility of a one-off great performance in a match against a good team. They have shown that already.
But no chance of a consistent run of good performances with such a flawed squad.
Jesus Christ. There’s nowhere to hide with that statistic, is there?! It’s absolutely damning.
It’s not delusion.
His system is so reliant on well performing wingbacks that we are hamstrung until we get consistent performers on both wings. We have no width and the width we did just gain with Dorgu is now out with his Red Card.
Amad's injury just added the cherry to our shit-flavoured icing, turd cake of a season.
Amad's injury just added the cherry to our shit-flavoured icing, turd cake of a season.
Right, because in 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 system Hojlund and Zirkzee will get 20 league goals each. Right..?
Like they score all the time for their national teams....... Right.....?
Perhaps highlights a problem is how you cover for injuries and suspensions on your wing backs if they're so important. What type of player is best to cover and how far back do you fall without your first choice wing backs?
Amorim did say it's best to teach a winger or attacking player to cover/defend than a defensive player to attack.
Amad seems versatile to play rwb so you can shuffle players around yet Garnacho maybe not so probably again a reason to sell?
Amorim did say it's best to teach a winger or attacking player to cover/defend than a defensive player to attack.
Amad seems versatile to play rwb so you can shuffle players around yet Garnacho maybe not so probably again a reason to sell?
There are countless posts in this very forum, from different time periods where
Ugarte is an amazing midfielder
Dalot is out best player
De ligt is world class
Martinez is our best defender
Onana was City's worst problem in the CL final
Bruno is world class
Mainoo is a wonder kid
Mazraoui is our best player
Garnacho and Amad are the best young wingers
Now everybody has turned rubbish and our squad is worse than Ipswich's
The truth is our squad is good enough to be 6th or 7th.
And a manager that is the best in the world should be able to push that squad even above what they are capable of with formations training and motivation.
Phycology also plays a huge part in a teams performance. I don't think are players are motivated.
With Garnacho and Amad both fit playing with 2 wingers would definitely make us better, and maybe get the whole squads moral back and players playing to their capabilities and even rasmus scoring.
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Because we massively over hype players, it's nothing new.
We are quite reactionary, a few good games and those will be back. We have to see improvement and consistency before going overboard.
The only consistency at the moment is how bad they are, these players have alot to do to turn things around.
Yes, this forum is insane, you've been on here for almost 20 years. How have you not learnt this by now?
Or we are massively underrating them now. Nothing new.
Are we? Do we have much proof of this? Do many players go on to do better elsewhere? The vast majority do worse.
This forum is very reactive.
At times each one of these players showed quality of some sort, problem is consistency!
Some are young and inexperienced.
Others are past it.
Only a handful are in their prime.
Squad is imbalanced and overhyped.
Biggest problem is the lack of goalscorer and the donkey we have for keeper. Solve these 2 areas and we should be top 6, yes.
Some have done better before coming here, some have done better after leaving here, some have done better while still being here.
We haven't got the squad playing to their max capabilities. That's my opinion.
Very very few have done better after, basically all the players who did better before came from other leagues and struggled in the pl.
That is 5 less goals than Havertz, Jesus, Martinelli, and Saka combined. Then again, Arsenal are 2nd.
Its funny that its only at United do players come from other leagues and fail...
Also, you make it sound that players that come from the PL do well with us? Which again isn't true because they struggle at United after being good elsewhere.
I mean using reactionary fan sentiment as the basis for "oh these players are actually good" doesn't make any sense though.
By all accounts our squad ISN'T good enough to be 6th or 7th, especially in the shape it's currently in. You can literally go through the teams in the table from top to bottom and the majority of them have better quality going forward than we do. Add that to us being very error prone at the back and it's a recipe for leaking goals and squandering points left and right.
I was actually referring to Garnacho. Bruno has arguably been our best player under Amorim so I don't see why he'd sell him.
You've not listed all of their forwards though and that's 4 players compared to the 5 I listed. If you add in Trossard and Nwaneri then that's another 7 goals. Bringing Arsenals quota up to 30 goals compared to our tally of 18 goals. It's a pretty big difference. We all have eyes, we've all unfortunately had to watch the last 2/3 seasons of woeful attacking quality. We all should know that we've got a very weak attack.
Here's a combined table since our League Cup win against Newcastle. This is when Rashfords purple run of form ended and when our attack officially failed. I've removed clubs that have been promoted/relegated since then to keep a consistent group who have played the same number of games. I've sorted the table by GF.
Rank | Club | Games | W | D | L | GF | GA | GD |
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1st | Liverpool | 81 | 53 | 21 | 7 | 189 | 86 | 103 |
2nd | Man City | 78 | 53 | 13 | 12 | 179 | 79 | 100 |
3rd | Arsenal | 79 | 50 | 17 | 11 | 178 | 72 | 106 |
4th | Newcastle | 80 | 39 | 14 | 26 | 164 | 118 | 46 |
5th | Tottenham | 78 | 34 | 12 | 32 | 151 | 128 | 23 |
6th | Chelsea | 79 | 34 | 19 | 25 | 144 | 121 | 23 |
7th | Aston Villa | 80 | 39 | 20 | 20 | 137 | 114 | 23 |
8th | Brighton | 81 | 29 | 25 | 25 | 132 | 125 | 7 |
9th | Brentford | 80 | 27 | 17 | 35 | 125 | 124 | 1 |
10th | Bournemouth | 79 | 31 | 16 | 31 | 114 | 122 | -8 |
11th | Fulham | 78 | 28 | 18 | 32 | 114 | 119 | -5 |
12th | Nottm Forest | 79 | 26 | 19 | 33 | 113 | 126 | -13 |
13th | West Ham | 79 | 28 | 18 | 32 | 111 | 147 | -36 |
14th | Crystal Palace | 79 | 27 | 22 | 29 | 111 | 109 | 2 |
15th | Man Utd | 79 | 35 | 14 | 30 | 107 | 112 | -5 |
16th | Wolves | 79 | 24 | 13 | 41 | 100 | 146 | -46 |
17th | Everton | 79 | 23 | 26 | 29 | 87 | 110 | -23 |
TLDR: Our forward line is genuinely atrocious.
I'm a bit ill today but I cannot think of many pl players we got recently aside from Maguire who didn't improve or get worse.
And no it happens to other clubs as well, just more for us due to our amazingly poor recruitment.