Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

[Drainy]

If an opposition manager had stated that we'd be laughing at them.

It's basically the same point Ole made

 

[JPRouve]

Green light to a bunch of players that down tools….to down tools. Hardly motivating. How about telling them to go balls out for this comp ahead of the PL which is effectively dead rubber games now.
He’s turned into such a negative manager. Any charisma he had when he arrived has been evaporated and he’s just down all the time. I think he knows the rebuild is not going to go as he thought and his system won’t get the support it needs. He’s toast.

Our players never downed tools. But his comments can exacerbate any lack of self belief, especially when he keeps making these kind of comments.

 

[VP89]

Does too many of this sit in interviews for a man who has lost 8 to 9 Premier league games.

I dont think it's his choice to be fair. He said he'd rather not do this stuff so often.

 

[The Mitcher]

I’m usually not one for having the proverbial old guard around - and I get that he might have good intentions - but I feel this is one of them instances where having someone who’s being here/done it before would be helpful just to help him navigate the media aspect of things. Like I get it, transparency is endearing and might get people on board - but it’s such a double edged sword. I absolutely do not want to hear the Manchester United manager saying that.

I also felt the same with them “we’re going to suffer” quotes. I get it, he was buying himself time, but still

THe way you put that makes it out to be a bit of a red flag. The fact he was buying himself time when he's barely been in the job is concerning.

 

[The Mitcher]

I dont think it's his choice to be fair. He said he'd rather not do this stuff so often.

He has to suck it up. It's his job.

 

[soapythecat]

Our players never downed tools. But his comments can exacerbate any lack of self belief, especially when he keeps making these kind of comments.

Downed tools, lack of effort - kind of same thing in my eyes but get your point. The first half for the last few games are typical lack of effort affairs and they look disinterested. These comments hardly going to get this lot firing from the KO tomorrow. Poor management really.

 

[The Mitcher]

Downed tools, lack of effort - kind of same thing in my eyes but get your point. The first half for the last few games are typical lack of effort affairs and they look disinterested. These comments hardly going to get this lot firing from the KO tomorrow. Poor management really.

Lack of belief is not the same as a lack of effort, mate.

 

[Insanity]

I have read it three times now and I still don't get the point he is trying to make here.

"But to tell you the truth, I think we have bigger things to think. I know it's strange to say that, but it's something that we are trying to build here, that is going to be more important than winning a Cup in this moment."I know the responsibility that we have to fight for every trophy, but in this moment we are trying to build something that is going to last more than any trophy this season."

"I know the responsibility that we have to fight for every trophy, but in this moment we are trying to build something that is going to last more than any trophy this season." [Sky]

What has he shown here so far that suggests that we are on this long road to success? Or by "we" he means the management and him?

And what are these bigger things that he is thinking?

Sound like a nonsense comment made to excuse our impending defeat in the tie.

 

[The Mitcher]

It's basically the same point Ole made

No one liked the trophy's are for egos comment, though?

 

[AjaxCunian]

Personally going forward I think Ruben and the club should not go into another season considering Mount an option.

I agree, but we are stuck with him and he's on huge wages.

 

[JPRouve]

Downed tools, lack of effort - kind of same thing in my eyes but get your point. The first half for the last few games are typical lack of effort affairs and they look disinterested. These comments hardly going to get this lot firing from the KO tomorrow. Poor management really.

I said lack of belief not lack of effort.

 

[VP89]

He has to suck it up. It's his job.

Well yeah but it was to the poster complaining he does too many Sit down interviews.

 

[tomaldinho1]

I have a lot of sympathy for managers having to give this many interviews, just regurgitating their thoughts for the press who don't really care and just want some clickbait. I personally wish managers didn't beat around the bush and just said 'yeah, we want to win it. We'll give our best shot etc.' but I'm sure he's trying to manage expectations somewhat. We shouldn't really care at all what he says, people say all sorts of crap, what matters is what happens on the pitch.

 

[The Mitcher]

I have read it three times now and I still don't get the point he is trying to make here.



What has he shown here so far that suggests that we are on this long road to success? Or by "we" he means the management and him?

And what are these bigger things that he is thinking?

Sound like a nonsense comment made to excuse our impending defeat in the tie.

I mean, nothing is inevitable aside from death and taxes. But it does look like some very strange convoluted attempt at excusing a potential defeat, and this is not something any United manager should be saying.

 

[The Mitcher]

Well yeah but it was to the poster complaining he does too many Sit down interviews.

As Roy Keane would say: "It's his job!"

 

[wolvored]

In your opinion, why did we sack ETH?
If it's because we were playing badly, have we started playing well thereafter?
Again, what is the main reason of manager change? Amorim was given 2 and half year contract. That's not a big project timeline.
So what's this project that Amorim needs to build that Ineos wants it done in 2 years?
Probably, it's only in fans mind that we are with Amorim for a longterm project. In Ineos mind they need results, and it's supported by their contract offer to Amorim.

So Ineos did a change of manager, results have plummeted since, by start of next season Amorim contract will be 1 year down remaining with 18 months tops.

So it does seem bringing in Amorim is proving to be a very very costly mistake in comparison to keeping ETH.

The contract was to see if Amorim can turn it around and show improvement in two seasons. This has always been the case apart from the contract that was too long. 6 years for Moyes was ridiculous. A manager who was a top 6 manager at best. All the others were about 3 years, so when it didn’t improve as in getting us to challenge for the title after two full seasons, they were sacked. Because Amorim didn’t start until November he will probably be given next season and if improvement then the next .season after will be to try and get him to sign another, if no improvement he will get the boot.

 

[JPRouve]

I have a lot of sympathy for managers having to give this many interviews, just regurgitating their thoughts for the press who don't really care and just want some clickbait. I personally wish managers didn't beat around the bush and just said 'yeah, we want to win it. We'll give our best shot etc.' but I'm sure he's trying to manage expectations somewhat. We shouldn't really care at all what he says, people say all sorts of crap, what matters is what happens on the pitch.

We should care about what they say unless we believe that man management and culture building aren't a thing. There is no way to build a winning mentality while suggesting that winning a cup isn't important enough at this moment in time especially when there is no actual argument to defend it.

You can manage expectations while also keeping this winning mentality by simply stating that while we have been underwhelming and the context isn't ideal, every EL round that we play put us closer to our long terms goals which are to be more cohesive on the field, more confident in our abilities and a title contender, every competent game that we play is going to put us closer to the team we want to be in the future.

 

[Bwuk]

It's basically the same point Ole made

We were never this bad under Ole. Amorim shouldn't be encouraging negativity.

 

[Toshey]

Obviously he is trying to remove some pressure from players. They seem to perform best when there are no expectations.

Also, he is correct. Forcing our way to a cup trophy means nothing in the long term, as the meaningless Carling and FA cups in the last 10 years have shown us.

Actually I believe that a season without european football might benefit the team greatly. Less games to play, more training/recovery time, focus on domestic scene.

It's weird but it's the truth currently. I'd rather no champions league, than a champions league where we can only scrape a lucky win against danish minnows, with Onana pulling a penalty save out of his ass (just to shove it back in there the next game).

Manchester United have been tring to minmax everything in every season, without any clear future or direction.

It's a lot more important to start building something and understand what we're building.

 

[The Mitcher]

We should care about what they say unless we believe that man management and culture building aren't a thing. There is no way to build a winning mentality while suggesting that winning a cup isn't important enough at this moment in time especially when there is no actual argument to defend it.

You can manage expectations while also keeping this winning mentality by simply stating that while we have been underwhelming and the context isn't ideal, every EL round that we play put us closer to our long terms goals which are to be more cohesive on the field, more confident in our abilities and a title contender, every competent game that we play is going to put us closer to the team we want to be in the future.

You'd think it's not rocket science, but Amorim seems intent on giving the journos what they want every presser. He doesn't seem to be aware of the non-answer, or any other forms of rhetoric. He can't even try and galvanise the squad and fans by saying anything is possible in this cup game. He's basically setting us up for defeat so he can make even more excuses after the game.

 

[Grave Robber]

Reckon he will be sacked if he ends the season trophyless and in 14th-17th place. Do you honestly think Ineos will be willing to gamble 150M of transfer spend on an unproven coach after the Ten Hag debacle?

Ratcliffe will find that pay-off for Amorim cheaper than another wasted season. I think Amorim suspects it himself, which is why he is coming out with this long term bullshit.

 

[The Mitcher]

Obviously he is trying to remove some pressure from players. They seem to perform best when there are no expectations.

Also, he is correct. Forcing our way to a cup trophy means nothing in the long term, as the meaningless Carling and FA cups in the last 10 years have shown us.

Actually I believe that a season without european football might benefit the team greatly. Less games to play, more training/recovery time, focus on domestic scene.

It's weird but it's the truth currently. I'd rather no champions league, than a champions league where we can only scrape a lucky win against danish minnows, with Onana pulling a penalty save out of his ass (just to shove it back in there the next game).

Manchester United have been tring to minmax everything in every season, without any clear future or direction.

It's a lot more important to start building something and understand what we're building.

Winning the Europa League guarantees champions league football and more money. Which means access to a better transfer budget and players more willing to come here. How does that not help these so-called bigger things and long term planning?

A season without European football will compound the already disastrous financial position we are in. Why are fans such as yourself so ignorant of the situation? The further from top 4 we finish the less money we get, the less sponsorships, in fact there are clauses that negatively impact us with Adidas if we don't get champions league football.

This attitude makes no sense. We will be even worse without European football.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

With Mazraoui at the club, I think we need like 5 other CB's which we would normally have as well.
Think under EtH we had Varane, Lindelof, Maguire, Evans, Martinez and Shaw/Kambwala.
Now under Amorim for next season; Yoro, De Ligt, Maguire, Martinez, and Shaw/Heaven. We might add one more CB, but I doubt it with Mazraoui also playing as RCB.

Think we will consider Bruno, Garnacho, Mount, Amad as enough options for the numbers 10. He will likely also play some wingers there.

I worry Garnacho will be gone in the summer if Amorim is still here. Push comes to shove, I'd rather keep Garnacho than Amorim.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

I worry Garnacho will be gone in the summer if Amorim is still here. Push comes to shove, I'd rather keep Garnacho than Amorim.

That's a terrifying take. Garnacho isn't that special, too many people look at his age instead of the games he has played, he has played over 180 games for us and doesn't look like he has progressed at all to be quite honest.

Amorim on the other hand has proved that if he is backed he can turn a club around.

 

[matsdf]

I worry Garnacho will be gone in the summer if Amorim is still here. Push comes to shove, I'd rather keep Garnacho than Amorim.

This to me is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this forum. What in God's name has Garnacho done to deserve that?

 

[Apokalips]

In your opinion, why did we sack ETH?
If it's because we were playing badly, have we started playing well thereafter?
Again, what is the main reason of manager change? Amorim was given 2 and half year contract. That's not a big project timeline.
So what's this project that Amorim needs to build that Ineos wants it done in 2 years?
Probably, it's only in fans mind that we are with Amorim for a longterm project. In Ineos mind they need results, and it's supported by their contract offer to Amorim.

So Ineos did a change of manager, results have plummeted since, by start of next season Amorim contract will be 1 year down remaining with 18 months tops.

So it does seem bringing in Amorim is proving to be a very very costly mistake in comparison to keeping ETH.

Amorim's performance has no bearing on whether or not the decision to sack or keep ETH was costly. Keeping ETH when we KNEW he was poor is definitely worse than hiring a manager who ends up performing poorly, because we KNEW that Ten Hag was poor. Keeping Ten Hag meant we had a whole summer basically wasted, waiting until his inevitable sacking, we clearly signed players based on his preferences too.

Bringing in a new coach in summer ensures a fresh start and if that coach is poor, we can look at replacing them ahead of the new season like any other club would but at least we tried something different when we KNEW that the current guy was not working. Now we are in a limbo timing wise.

We also should have signed a a couple of proven quality forward players and sold Rashford and Antony in the summer. More is lost through indecision than the wrong decision, the wrong decision can be rectified if you act quickly but if you dither and then need to rectify your mistake but are indecisive all the time then the issues grow and grow. All of our summer antics have cost us a lot.

 

[tomaldinho1]

We should care about what they say unless we believe that man management and culture building aren't a thing. There is no way to build a winning mentality while suggesting that winning a cup isn't important enough at this moment in time especially when there is no actual argument to defend it.

You can manage expectations while also keeping this winning mentality by simply stating that while we have been underwhelming and the context isn't ideal, every EL round that we play put us closer to our long terms goals which are to be more cohesive on the field, more confident in our abilities and a title contender, every competent game that we play is going to put us closer to the team we want to be in the future.

Yes but we have no idea what he says to the players, so the perception of him is ours and not theirs. I get the point, hence my preference, as a fan, for him not saying what he did. But I have no doubt he is putting pressure on them away from the cameras, no manager would not be. These guys want to win beyond all else.

 

[Toshey]

Winning the Europa League guarantees champions league football and more money. Which means access to a better transfer budget and players more willing to come here. How does that not help these so-called bigger things and long term planning?

A season without European football will compound the already disastrous financial position we are in. Why are fans such as yourself so ignorant of the situation? The further from top 4 we finish the less money we get, the less sponsorships, in fact there are clauses that negatively impact us with Adidas if we don't get champions league football.

This attitude makes no sense. We will be even worse without European football.

We dug our own grave with ridiculous transfers. Ridiculous to expect a CL qualification to fix our budget.
We have now 2 seperate owners, give me a break.

If we get rid of Rashy, Shaw, Mount, Casemiro, Linde, Evans, expensive mistakes like Sancho, Antony.. Our financial situation will improve dramatically.

And we have to be very careful who we buy this time.

 

[MaMa given red]

Obviously he is trying to remove some pressure from players. They seem to perform best when there are no expectations.

Also, he is correct. Forcing our way to a cup trophy means nothing in the long term, as the meaningless Carling and FA cups in the last 10 years have shown us.

Actually I believe that a season without european football might benefit the team greatly. Less games to play, more training/recovery time, focus on domestic scene.

It's weird but it's the truth currently. I'd rather no champions league, than a champions league where we can only scrape a lucky win against danish minnows, with Onana pulling a penalty save out of his ass (just to shove it back in there the next game).

Manchester United have been tring to minmax everything in every season, without any clear future or direction.

It's a lot more important to start building something and understand what we're building.

The difficulty is that a season outside of Europe makes us a lot worse of financially and a lot less attractive when signing new players.

if we aren't careful we will go the way of former big clubs like Everton where we'll just fall so far behind we'll never be able to catch up.

 

[Licha-Vidic]

The contract was to see if Amorim can turn it around and show improvement in two seasons. This has always been the case apart from the contract that was too long. 6 years for Moyes was ridiculous. A manager who was a top 6 manager at best. All the others were about 3 years, so when it didn’t improve as in getting us to challenge for the title after two full seasons, they were sacked. Because Amorim didn’t start until November he will probably be given next season and if improvement then the next .season after will be to try and get him to sign another, if no improvement he will get the boot.

In your opinion, just personal opinion...

Do you think 'the scale of the job' now can be done in 2 years? Even with hindsight.

By Ineos giving him 2&1/2 season contract, did they envisage a situation where we are now worse than we were 1 year ago, and needing more time and resources.

As Ineos does Amorim gets evaluated mid point of his contract or at what point?

Presently, as the situation is, what is the target for Amorim? To return us to top 6 , top 4 or what? And when does this KPI be assessed..

Also as Ineos, finishing position 15 or 5, the difference of 10 places has an implications of around 30m in prize money being in question. Then add missing European Competition all together adds another 20m lost in revenue. While being in Europa league guarantees some 17m in revenue.
So as Ineos, how much of a hit can you carry because of the coach not getting results.

Because we are getting more broke, because of Amorim poor results. So compound that with him needing more money to create his team, on a team he has made more broke..

 

[JPRouve]

Yes but we have no idea what he says to the players, so the perception of him is ours and not theirs. I get the point, hence my preference, as a fan, for him not saying what he did. But I have no doubt he is putting pressure on them away from the cameras, no manager would not be. These guys want to win beyond all else.

What he says to the players better be the same thing he says in public, it's one of these topics where you can't have a diverging discourse. Think about this, if winning a cup now isn't important then why would winning in the future be more important? What makes it more important later, what makes it ever important? And as a player if good performances from me now aren't important then what am I here for?

 

[Gavinb33]

Obviously he is trying to remove some pressure from players. They seem to perform best when there are no expectations.

Also, he is correct. Forcing our way to a cup trophy means nothing in the long term, as the meaningless Carling and FA cups in the last 10 years have shown us.

Actually I believe that a season without european football might benefit the team greatly. Less games to play, more training/recovery time, focus on domestic scene.

It's weird but it's the truth currently. I'd rather no champions league, than a champions league where we can only scrape a lucky win against danish minnows, with Onana pulling a penalty save out of his ass (just to shove it back in there the next game).

Manchester United have been tring to minmax everything in every season, without any clear future or direction.

It's a lot more important to start building something and understand what we're building.

Ole said the same thing btw and was hounded for it

 

[The Mitcher]

Ole said the same thing btw and was hounded for it

As he should have been,

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

This to me is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this forum. What in God's name has Garnacho done to deserve that?

Helped us win the FA Cup against the odds vs our bitter rivals, won the Puskas goal of the year and given me far more enjoyable memories than Amorim has since he came in and made us worse with his 5 defenders and 2 number 10s.

 

[MCDC]

No but I expect a coach that manages Man United not to come out with yet another statement saying ; “The Europa cup doesn’t matter, just like he says the same about the FA Cup!”

He’s just digging his own grave, I expect nothing but 1 point per game in the PL all the way to early next season when SJR inevitably gives him the boot and fans like you do a full 180 when you realise Ineos are seriously just as bad as the Glazers, and they are making multiple mistake after mistake as co owners of the club.

Why doesn’t Amorim just zip it, fans don’t want to hear we have no chance in the Europa League and his delusional BS about wining the PL, hey Ruben win back to back matches in the EPL first because all the previous coaches since Fergie at least managed to do just that!


Ps I said without European Football next season he would be lucky to get £50m but he needs £250-300m to get his imprint on a team which is why Liverpool said no!

“The goal is to win the Premier League. So I know that we are losing games and losing trophies during this season, but the goal is to win the Premier League again,”

That is what Amorim said, Van Gaal won the Fa cup was sacked ETH won the FA cup should of been sacked, the PL is where managers are judged.

Fans like You - very condescending attitude....

INEOS have made mistakes, I expect there to be more mistakes, everyone makes mistakes but I have faith they will get it right, otherwise I would end up a hyperbolic Fan like you.....

Did INEOS put us in debt?
Have the taken dividends out of the club?
Have they put in more money than the Glazers?

I am not condoning there actions, but your constant exaggerations and essays with no substance or facts are draining, you talk as if you are from the future who knows all, no one truly knows what is going to happen and no matter how mant times you condescend other fans isn't going to change that.

I was on the protest at the weekend, shows my thoughts towards them, but they are nothing compared with those parasites.

If he was given 50m he could make 5 x 50m signings with 10m on amortization.

 

[JPRouve]

As he should have been,

I don't remember the exact quote but Ole said that the league was the true marker of progress, he didn't say that winning cups wasn't important.

 

[tomaldinho1]

What he says to the players better be the same thing he says in public, it's one of these topics where you can't have a diverging discourse. Think about this, if winning a cup now isn't important then why would winning in the future be more important? What makes it more important later, what makes it ever important? And as a player if good performances from me now aren't important then what am I here for?

Not sure why this would be a rule? I've had bosses do the same and it's no problem whatsoever i.e. we're giving this statement but we're doing it for x,y or z reasons so don't read into it'. I've also had it in football before with a manager who used to always play down games importance in the pre match notes + then be going ballistic in the dressing room before kick off trying to get everyone coming out frothing at the chops. The players will care what he says in private to them + there is zero doubt a number of them know they are playing for their futures.

The Ole parallel is that Ole's wording was so poorly chosen, it played perfectly into the idea of him not being able to get teams over the line in cup comps which was essentially his downfall.

 

[Shark]

“The goal is to win the Premier League. So I know that we are losing games and losing trophies during this season, but the goal is to win the Premier League again,”

That is what Amorim said, Van Gaal won the Fa cup was sacked ETH won the FA cup should of been sacked, the PL is where managers are judged.

Fans like You - very condescending attitude....

INEOS have made mistakes, I expect there to be more mistakes, everyone makes mistakes but I have faith they will get it right, otherwise I would end up a hyperbolic Fan like you.....

Did INEOS put us in debt?
Have the taken dividends out of the club?
Have they put in more money than the Glazers?

I am not condoning there actions, but your constant exaggerations and essays with no substance or facts are draining, you talk as if you are from the future who knows all, no one truly knows what is going to happen and no matter how mant times you condescend other fans isn't going to change that.

I was on the protest at the weekend, shows my thoughts towards them, but they are nothing compared with those parasites.

If he was given 50m he could make 5 x 50m signings with 10m on amortization.

Come on, everyone and their granny knows that the Europa League is absolutely vital this season of all seasons. Let's not start moving the goalposts. Not only from a financial aspect, but if we go crashing out against Sociedad, we'll only have the league in which we've only become relatively safe from a relegation battle. We are hanging on by a shoe string now under this manager.

If anything it's a condescending attitude to play down the importance of winning this cup.

 

[The Mitcher]

I don't remember the exact quote but Ole said that the league was the true marker of progress, he didn't say that winning cups wasn't important.

He said trophies are for egos. Even though the league is a trophy, just not a cup competition.

 

[TsuWave]

We dug our own grave with ridiculous transfers. Ridiculous to expect a CL qualification to fix our budget.
We have now 2 seperate owners, give me a break.

If we get rid of Rashy, Shaw, Mount, Casemiro, Linde, Evans, expensive mistakes like Sancho, Antony.. Our financial situation will improve dramatically.

And we have to be very careful who we buy this time.

For clarification - are you arguing that winning the Europa/CL qualification wouldn’t improve our financial situation?

You seem to be saying a lot of stuff that we all know - yes, we placed ourselves in this situation with poor deals - but how is that an argument against winning the Europa helping us?