Goldbridge is that you? No one's asking for a lavish meal, at this point I'd take a microwave curry instead of the shite sandwich we're routinely served by Amorim and co.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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So you know i am deluded and also you know you're not deluded, Mr?
in our culture we usually say a Monkey doesn't see its red ass, it usually laughs at the next monkey red ass.
The fact is AMORIM has the worst record of Modern United coach. He has double loss rate than his win rate but magically it's someone else mistakes.
If AMORIM was winning, would people accept to apportion HIS success rave to ETH? Or we only apportion blame to others?
Amorim has Hojlund and Zirkzee to rely on. At that point all arguments about sacking him hit a brick wall. Until we resolve the #9 situation with a world class (or near world class) player, there won't be any substantive change irrespective of who the manager is.
Stop playing piss poor pros and give them rest of the PL games to the youth. Absolutely diabolical from him and the team.
Goldbridge would be at a Nottingham Forest forum
The real problem is that even if we buy 7 or 8 players that are his perfect fits, there is still no guarantee that 3421 system will ever work in the EPL.
He will need to be in Top 5/6 after 10 PL games with 2 points per game or he’ll be gone, you can’t have a 29% win rate and 48% loss rate at man united and expect to keep your job.
I think we've just reached a point where the situation has become so desperate, nobody at the club knows where to go next. Amorim's time here has been dismal so far but I think he'll be protected by the fear of also getting the next one wrong and the bleak financial situation.
Sacking Ten Hag after the cup final last summer was probably the biggest open goal imaginable and we still kept him on, so I can't envisage any scenario where Amorim gets the boot before next season. We have to hope something drastic changes over the summer but my expectation is we'll still be seeing similar things happen going into next season.
touchéGoldbridge would be at a Nottingham Forest forum
I hate to think it but man, I don't know if this is the guy. Any manager would be good with "Their own players" but we've done far better with the same players for the last few years, not great but Jesus not this bad. Yeah fine different system. Maybe they just are THAT BAD. ETH screwed us more than any other manager for sure. But I feel like the formation isn't right at all for us. I hope I'm wrong about him. I badly want him to succeed. Win the EL and we have a chance to make a good comeback, without it money wise, we will be like this for the next season.
Define miracle?
Amorim is learning. But, he has an average squad.
We have little or no goal threat. Ever, it seems.
We have little or no goal threat. Ever, it seems.
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Eh, I prefer specialists rather than “have experience playing xyz”. Take Dorgu, your example, I think he’d be a pretty ineffective left winger - and though very physical his defensive qualities for LB are yet to be ascertained to a level that I feel he’d be good there.
Wingbacks was also a simple example. Amorim’s set-up seemingly needs a few “AMs” and I’d imagine he’d want a least one addition there. If the next manager uses a more traditional 3 CM set-up or double pivot. Whatever additions we may make for Amorim might be surplus (the same goes for potentially selling players that he can’t find a spot for, but the next manager could use)
So, answer me correctly a simple question.
What was Amorim employed to do?
Just answer that one sentence question,
Top of top half finish with this squad that had 95% who have never played back 3 football before. Whk were also struggling already in Tue traditional formations they were bought for.
That's correct, and Liverpool saw a substantial improvement from year one to the subsequent years he managed them. Same can be said about Arteta. Neither of these guys were parachuted in mid season either. So its fair to say, most of the best case examples of successful managers are all given time to build their squads before they see progress. For us, it doesn't even have to take several years. Nuno's Forest going from 17th last season to 3rd this year is a prime example.
You'll have to ask SJR and Berada for that. Apparently they felt so strongly, that they moved for Amorim mid season.
To eventually get us challenging in a few years time with INEOS behind him stragetically getting us there with hopefully an important window to come being that first step
I'm not INEOS' biggest fan - but I'm glad their sticking with Amorim with what Sir Jim has said, and not wetting the bed and calling for a sack so early on like many on here.
Agreed.
You coveniently overlook the hugest factor of all. They next to NEVER hire managers of diametrically opposed footballing philosophies. We in comparison have changed footballing directions since Fergie 5 times.
Realistically how much do you see him getting with a EL win? And further more how much do you reckon he'll need to spend to make this team resemble that of a team?
The transfer window is going to have to be near perfect for next year to be any better than what we're seeing week in, week out.
So apparently, you know Amorim doesn't have world class no 9, you know Hojlund and Zirkzee are gash but you dont know why Amorim was appointed?
You see how contradictory you are.
Not that my opinion is really worth anything but I've felt the the last couple of results/performances have been more down to the players then the formation. Haven't always felt that way.
To manage us successfully.
The two aren't contradictory in the least. One can see Hojlund and Zirkzee's performances, but not know what SJR and Berada's thought processes when they hired Amorim. The former can be observed but only a mind reader would know the latter.
We've done this with literally every manager though. I'd say Moyes was the only one to be sacked quickly, all the others had way too much time, whilst we got progressively worse and suffered more embarrassing results. I don't want Ruben sacked, but I'd say a lot of clubs would have parted ways with him by now.
As regards Amorim. Our fans have simply refused to acknowledge the steel learning curve our entire squad has had to under go to learn how to play his system. Let alone style of play. This side is literally learning back 3 ball from scratch. Whilst also having to master pressing and football of moving the ball threw all the thirds. Its literally unsurpsing they have struggled. But they will be better for it long term. Those that stay on.
Even I think we hold onto managers a lot longer, Ole I wanted out earlier, Mourinho I wanted out earlier, EtH I wanted out earlier
But Amorim, come on this guy hasn't even had a single window yet, it's absurb to even call for a sack not knowing what he COULD do with some of his players in - we don't know- it could work, or won't, then I'll start calling him out.
The window will be the first actual step to his management here where judgement should be made after, it's more on INEOS that they sacked EtH too late and brought him in mid way - I just find it so silly why people are already calling for a sack
Hasn't he been given a 2 + 1 year contract? Don't know the first thing about manager contracts so that could be standard practise but surely we're going to have to see something pretty soon. He's going to need a minimum 4 starters, probably more and do Ineos have the facilities to fund that?
I'm not sure about that given that the circumstances of when he was hired (mid season) are quite different than anything most other clubs would have to consider. And even managers in their 2nd years who are below United - and who got an entire window to build their squads - (such as Ange), are still with their club.
It'll be on recruitment if anything - if they get it right, he may get us a top 4 in that time of his contract leading to extension. If they get recruitment wrong he'll fail and get the sacked
honestly, recruitment is everything, in some way to me even more important than any other manager.
I would like to believe you but where’s the evidence that we will be better for it long term? There’s no progress to see anywhere on the field five months in to his tenure here. Could it be that his system only worked under a very specific set of circumstances in Portugal while not being tenable here?
Can't get my head around the amount of huge mistakes this team makes and ones your average player would never make. Every. Single. Game.
Yes I do.So you know i am deluded and also you know you're not deluded, Mr?
in our culture we usually say a Monkey doesn't see its red ass, it usually laughs at the next monkey red ass.
The fact is AMORIM has the worst record of Modern United coach. He has double loss rate than his win rate but magically it's someone else mistakes.
If AMORIM was winning, would people accept to apportion HIS success rave to ETH? Or we only apportion blame to others?
I accept that it could get better do you accept that it might not also
The Man Utd fan obsession with protecting managers. Why are people defending his abysmal record? We were 14th when he came in and we sit 14th still. I see no improvement and we are playing formation that doesn’t play to our best players strength. It’s complete and utter madness and only Man United would get themselves into this situation. The board seems to look at who’s flavour of the month rather than identifying whether they suit the club. A manager whose system is 3-4-3 will never work at this club, especially when the squad was never built to play it. We are skint and the board decided to try a new direction where we need to spend money on wingbacks and 10s just to build a squad for the system, when we already needed strikers, midfielders and GK. Amorim was always going to fail because the management above him have no clue how to run a successful football club.
And what about the steel learning curve our manager has to go under to learn how to manage in this league? Could it not just be he and his tactics are not fit for purpose?
The progress is there. If you dare to beyond the losses. We have become more compact with our strongest XI. We defend better. We move the ball into midfield better. We press better. As compared to when just took over. He told everyone it would get dire resuots wise.before it got better. Up to now fans have refused to believe him and a treating things like we are under the normal circumstance that the like of Ole, Mourinho ir ETH took over.
He’s almost certainly not getting 6 new starting players. We’re not Man City.
Realistically he’ll get about 3 - maybe 4 - first team signings. Maybe one or two highly rated children from academies on top of that being dubbed “Vivell or Wilcocks masterclasses”.
If that’s not enough for him to start operating close to the level we need… boy.
There's always a convenient excuse.
I don't think people are lining up in their droves to lap up this bullshit anymore, not after falling for it with Ten Hag.
Lies. "Challenging in few years.."
Amorim was given the shortest managerial contract in OT.
The powers that be gave him 2 and half years contract.
Already, 6 months of the 30 months contract is over. So AMORIM has 24 months to deliver. In short he has 2 seasons to deliver, nothing like few years time.
So with this in mind, and how the results have turned out, you believe INEOS employed him, gave him 30 months contract, use the first 6 months to take the club further down in results and miraculously use the remaining 24 months to take us to challenging positions?
Do you know how hard it is to get back to where we were, just finishing 2nd or 3rd. Not even winning the league.
So we wouldn't win it, when we had managers who had us in position 2 or 3, but somehow we will achieve success with a manager who had us position 14?
Listen I'm all for backing the manager as frankly I'm sick of the players but is it really wise to back someone who's showed very little/zero improvement on any player? He's going to need very specific players (outside of the No.9) for his formation that not many managers use. Genuinely don't think Ineos are going to have the funds to back the manager.