It's painful.
When Ugarte got subbed off and left us with that weak and slow midfield, I knew something was gonna go wrong.
His decisions are directly inflicting us.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
It's painful.
When Ugarte got subbed off and left us with that weak and slow midfield, I knew something was gonna go wrong.
His decisions are directly inflicting us.
You do know he's scored two goals today
and we have Hojlund...Yeah that's fair. I don't want to pretend that it's all down to Amorim, it's clearly a combination of poor squad, underperforming manager and (so far) terrible ownership/structure. Which also means that there's likely no easy fix.
If we don't win the Europa League he can feck off. Honestly worse than Ten Hag at this point, been an embarrassment in the league.
Well hopefully a quarter of our squad is replaced. That would be the correct consequence.
Which would be fair. Two seasons inclusive of potential CL qualification, a proper summer window to add a top striker, and one or two others, should give SJR and Berada a better sense of where all of this is going. If we're in the top half near top four next year, it will be validation that we're on the right track and should continue. If we're bottom half then its time to pull the plug.
Yes. The lack of goalscorers is the managers fault. Even the free kick is his fault.
We were unfortunate to lose today.
They would start for the both of us mate, and comfortably score more goals for us.
Agreed
His record is appaling.
It all boils down to whether you think we use the limited money we have to ‘back him’ in the summer and if that leads to what really needs to be an enormous upturn. The likes of Garnacho may need to be sold to fund better suited players.
If it doesn't improve, he’ll have to be sacked by October, and we’ll be left behind a squad of players assembled for a niche system and no money for the new guy.
I think thats a balanced view of the situation - keeping him is betting the bank on a handful of signings turning this around.
It all boils down to whether you think we use the limited money we have to ‘back him’ in the summer and if that leads to what really needs to be an enormous upturn. The likes of Garnacho may need to be sold to fund better suited players.
If it doesn't improve, he’ll have to be sacked by October, and we’ll be left behind a squad of players assembled for a niche system and no money for the new guy.
I think thats a balanced view of the situation - keeping him is betting the bank on a handful of signings turning this around.
Agreed
Havertz is about 5 x the player of Hojlund FFS, and we mock him on here.
Nunez is also far better.
Team with players incapable of scoring goals doesn't score goals. I am shocked.
Looking forward to see how we look next season.
Looking forward to see how we look next season.
Very lucky for him that most feel finishing 17th doesn’t matter because Europa is everything.
I expect immediate improvement next year. But there's no quick fix like you say.
You cannot win games without goals, we have to improve our attack or we'll stay the same.
Easiest job in football. Nothing is the managers fault at this club according to some. Begs the question why we bother hiring one at all
People are daft mate.
Arteta never finished bottom half. Even when Arsenal were completely turgid to watch and he didn't have his players. So many people genuinely dont understand how bad this is and its hilarious.
That's the crux of it all yeah. Has he shown enough to blow our limited load on his vision or not?
The only reason why we still will be in EPL next season is precisely because he join us mid season.
Typical Amorim performance. Regardless of how shite Hojlund is, it just exposes his system that requires a perfect CF and world class WBs.
He is comfortably worse and one dimensional than any United manager for many in living memory. We aren’t winning the EL but there is a good chance we will be relegated next season under Amorim. He is useless at this level.
Wolves won’t get an easier game this season and they didn’t give a shit before hand.
How come so many are happy to see us beat over and over again without even putting up a battle before we all acknowledge how far in reverse he has taken the club and players?
Get him out today.
He is comfortably worse and one dimensional than any United manager for many in living memory. We aren’t winning the EL but there is a good chance we will be relegated next season under Amorim. He is useless at this level.
Wolves won’t get an easier game this season and they didn’t give a shit before hand.
How come so many are happy to see us beat over and over again without even putting up a battle before we all acknowledge how far in reverse he has taken the club and players?
Get him out today.
The answer is undoubtedly, no. Statistically anyway. We're seeing some improvement on the pitch in the past couple of weeks but is it enough, I'm not so sure.
It's not about backing him, it's about signing good players.
Players with a good technique, IQ and physicality are multi functional. Recruitment needn't be narrow, good players are adaptable.
Everything is about signing a proven striker who actually scores goals. The same problem that sunk Ten Hag - namely squandering £100 on Hojlund and Zirkzee - (I actually rate Zirkzee, but not as a reliable goal threat), continues to plague Amorim's United. Buy a proper goal scorer and a vast majority of our problems will quickly vanish.
I'd love him to succeed, he's immensely likeable. So ever since he joined, I'm spending all match hoping to see that positive trend, that improvement that would convince me we're going the right direction and should back him. Not so sure, like you say.
Nope. Nor am I remotely convinced that our limited load will be him enough to get the exact players he needs to make this system work.
I’m leaning towards binning it now, before we end up in another EtH situation, overspending on half the Sporting team.
Does everyone have small time memories? When EtH left everyone was harping on about how bad the players and squad was. I don't care about any Arsenal comparisons because there's context on the squad he's inherited vs what Amorim has inherited.
i.e. He inherited a squad that scored goals because they had GOAL SCORERS
Comparisons with Arteta is only fair after giving Amorim time not after few months, it's annoying
I thought he did everything as well as he could today. Hojlund played hide and seek with the rest of our attack and we created enough opportunities for us to score at least 1 goal. On the whole, we played better than the other team and really should have won comfortably against an annoying and difficult opponent. Poor to concede the free kick which led to the goal, but that can happen. The game should have been out of sight by then.
Our options for attack are really poor, however. The team just can't seem to score goals. I thought our overall control of the game was good, but we can't do that last bit.
Our options for attack are really poor, however. The team just can't seem to score goals. I thought our overall control of the game was good, but we can't do that last bit.
Can you explain in a little more depth how their goal was a result of leaving Eriksen on? The foul he committed was after Mazraoui essentially passed the ball to Cunha in the middle of the pitch when we weren’t in our shape.
No matter how often we sing it, he's probably not going to turn the club arooooouuunnd.
Not they don’t. Is his system so weak that only the CF can score the goals?
Ah yes, the only two levels of centre forward play: perfection and Hojlund.
It’s beyond parody now. Logic went out of the window a long time ago.
Hojlund has scored 1 in 27. You don't need a perfect striker, just an average one and this team would win more games.
There is no manager in world football who would have us scoring more goals.
The worst thing is that we have an instilled losing mentality from all these losses. It is now such a regular occurence the mentality of the entire club will have shifted to this being the norm. Amorim has not improved the side one bit in regards to results. It is now looking like another blunder from Berrada and INEOS.
Not particularly attached to Amorim, and will have no issue if he departs next season if things haven't obviously and quickly improved.
But in general I think people massively overrate the importance of managers, and that's captured in the extremely manager-centred discussions on this forum.
Maybe something like 70% of a team's success is simply down to the players on the pitch alone, and by extension recuitment. And with recruitment having been our primary failing over the last decade, I don't see much point in over-focusing on the manager's performance until the improvements that need to happen there have time to take hold.
Equally, if we do improve after a summer of recruitment there's no reason to assume Amorim is suddenly the messiah. We have such obvious problems with our playing personnel and are currently so bad that it would be weird if we didn't get better.
As is today felt like a pre-season game with nothing to play for, and I guess that'll increasingly be the case for the rest of our league games too.
But in general I think people massively overrate the importance of managers, and that's captured in the extremely manager-centred discussions on this forum.
Maybe something like 70% of a team's success is simply down to the players on the pitch alone, and by extension recuitment. And with recruitment having been our primary failing over the last decade, I don't see much point in over-focusing on the manager's performance until the improvements that need to happen there have time to take hold.
Equally, if we do improve after a summer of recruitment there's no reason to assume Amorim is suddenly the messiah. We have such obvious problems with our playing personnel and are currently so bad that it would be weird if we didn't get better.
As is today felt like a pre-season game with nothing to play for, and I guess that'll increasingly be the case for the rest of our league games too.
So you can't spot a trend?
11 losses in 22 PL games.
Losing twice to Wolves wo scoring.
Worst start to a United manager career in 100 years.
And so on.
Amorim is a huge disappointment but everything is of course not his fault. He didn't overspend on all these mediocre players. It is not his players but I doubt many top managers would use Amorim's tactics on this squad.
If you leave out emotion and try to judge this rationally, sacking him and starting over seems the higher percentage play for me. He might turn it around, but it looks more likely for me he doesn't, so we'd just be wasting time and money we don't have.
I’m really finding this hard to believe…
We aren’t exactly blowing teams away every week while Hojlund misses hatfuls of chances.
Yes, we could definitely have been more clinical today and there have been other times it has cost us. But I think it’s a gigantic oversimplification of what’s going wrong.