Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

I didn't catch the game, but from the highlights it seemed like we created enough to win and then was suckerpunched by the free kick. It can happen, when you lack real quality up front. We even rotated pretty heavily.

I'll reserve my judgement for the EL semis. Whatever happens on the manager side, we desperately need signings in the summer otherwise we are looking at another season of this.
 
I would’ve thought fans of this club, of all clubs, would understand the importance of a good manager by now.
No one is disputing the importance of a manager, but I just think that if you have quality players the manager doesn't have to do as much to get the team to perform. Coaching can't always polish a turd.

Not sure it's hard to understand.
 
That I was wrong and that the squad are shite. I'm not always right.

Props for the digging though.
It was your first post in this thread. I didn’t have to dig far. People are defying all logic to defend these results and performances. We’re going to finish 17th. And people think this is as good as this squad can do? If they win Europa will Amorim get any credit or will it be the players responsible?
 
He will be judged on where we finish, just not this year. The reasons for which have been discussed earlier in this thread.
Yeah, he hopes. No chance we wait to see where we finish before we sack him if he continues with this shit show next season.

The guy has some how got himself an incredible free pass this season, where performances or results mean nothing, I'll give him that. Kind of makes me wonder what he is actually doing, because I have yet to see it.
 
The mistake you're making in the above is presuming football would make you happy this year. With rare exception (such as Thu night), this season was always going to be a very bad one. Even Amorim has repeatedly said as much over the past six months to lower fan expecations.

Quote from November 24th, 2024

"I know it is frustrating for the fans but we are changing so much in this moment with a lot of games," he said. "We are going to suffer for a long period. We will try to win games but this will take time.

"We have to risk it a little bit [now] and in the next year we will be better [otherwise] next year at the same stage we will be here with the same problems."

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Therefore if the manager is telling you its going to get far worse before it gets better, then there's no point complaining about this year. Next year is truly when the rubber will meet the road.
You don’t go from wining 6 out of 22 PL matches to wining 15 or 16 out of 22.
Ruben talks far too much, he also said you have to; “ Win Football Matches to win time!”

He’s losing half the matches he coaches, that means he losing half the fan base and he’s losing half the 2 and half year contract he was given, carry on with this ridiculous loss rate and his contract will be terminated!

There is absolutely nothing that I’ve seen from RA that suggests he will ever win a big trophy with any Elite Club, he’s far too nervous on the sideline, he can’t coach elite players and he’s so inflexible and stubborn, it took him 11 against 10 with 10 mins left in Extra time to go 442 against Lyon!

I genuinely think that he was the right guy, then he started to come out with the most bizarre comments about the team and the players.We had just beat Everton 4-0 in one of his earlier match and the fans were singing his name and after the game, he said he wasn’t happy the players were lucky, he didn’t deserve the fans serenading him, Jesus just button it!

His job is to get the best out of all the players in the squad, I don’t think he does that, he said Mason Mount was his favourite player while he was indifferent with players like Kobbie Mainoo?

Mason Mount has done nothing for this club and needs to be jettisoned in the summer, I’m sure some team in Europe will take him on loan with an. Obligation to buy him for £22m.
 
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No one is disputing the importance of a manager, but I just think that if you have quality players the manager doesn't have to do as much to get the team to perform. Coaching can't always polish a turd.

Not sure it's hard to understand.
It seems like you are.

People still supporting a manager churning out this shite will never not be hard to understand.
 
It was your first post in this thread. I didn’t have to dig far. People are defying all logic to defend these results:performances. We’re going to finish 17th. And people think this is as good as this squad can do? If they win Europa will Amorim get any credit or will it be the players responsible?
I'm not defending the results mate, I just think the squad is piss poor and that no manager would make this squad a top 4 team. We need investment all over the park.
 
That's the risk INEOS are taking and putting all their eggs in the Amorim basket. I have confidence in Amorim if he gets the players for his system, the worry for me is if those players are going to be quality or not. and not up and coming young players as he doesn't have time on his side.

One thing for me that I have faith in Amorim is that he has the balls to stick to what he wants and he will do everything for his vision. Unlike EtH who I got excited for seeing his Ajax style and then came to United and didn't want to play that style, a waste of a manager.

But Amorim can still fail, but then again, like any manager really. Everything is a risk. It's just too early to even see what Amorim can do
That is why, even if he does turn out to be a success, Amorim was a strange choice strategically, and in my opinion the wrong choice. Every manager is a risk but Amorim is a bigger risk because he’s married to a formation that we would never, ever have chosen as the club’s formation if not for him. If we had gotten another manager, it would have been much easier to buy players with a long-term view beyond the current manager and his specific needs.
 
Do you feel confident trusting his vision and letting him shape our squad in order to suit a formation his replacement is very unlikely to play? That’s the issue for me. I don’t want him sacked. Yet. But I think it would be insane to let him get rid of all our wingers while buying specialized players for a formation we could very well abandon by November.
If I may jump in on this, I think the idea of there being a risk to backing him with players that fit his system is overplayed. People will reference the wbs, but they're basically just hard working wingers. Maybe you have to buy one or two more 10s than you would normally have, one or two more center backs. Otherwise in theory where's the risk? Will the 'next' manager not need a good center forward, a good center back, a good midfielder? Meanwhile if we look beyond positional attributes, look at the general attributes he requires - physical, hardworking, technically astute, good characters. Again, are these not attributes any manager would admire in the pl? Maybe if you want to go back to small, technical passers all over the pitch sure - but I sure fecking hoping we don't.

But all of this belies the point, which is, regardless of what system we're buying for, it doesn't matter if we don't buy a whole lot better overall than we have been doing the past decade. Buying a wb under Murtough/Woodwood would be a travesty regardless, because they would have been poorly scouted, overpaid and under nurtured, so when it came to selling them we either can't shift them or we end up taking a massive hit and then have less to reinvest. You would hope (and I really mean hope), that we're going to start doing better under the new management team. Younger, lower wages, lower fee, and thus a lot easier to shift if we need to, thus lowering the risk overall of backing any manager.

So in brief, the level of risk of backing Amorim has nothing to do with Amorim, and everything to do with whether we can start buying better.
 
You don’t go from wining 6 out of 22 PL matches to wining 15 or 16 out of 22.
Ruben talks far too much, he also said you have to; “ Win Football Matches to win time!”

He’s losing half the matches he coaches, that means he losing half the fan base and he’s losing half the 2 and half year contract he was given, carry on with this ridiculous loss rate and his contract will be terminated!

There is absolutely nothing that I’ve seen from RA that suggests he will ever win a big trophy with any Elite Club, he’s far too nervous on the sideline, he can’t coach elite players and he’s so inflexible and stubborn, it took him 11 against 10 with 10 mins left in Extra time to go 442 against Lyon!

I genuinely think that he was the right guy, then he started to come out with the most bizarre comments about the team and the players.We had just beat Everton 4-0 in one of his earlier match and the fans were singing his name and after the game, he said he wasn’t happy the players were lucky, he didn’t deserve the fans serenading him, Jesus just button it!

His job is to get the best out of all the players in the squad, I don’t think he does that, he said Mason Mount was his favourite player while he was indifferent with players like Kobbie Mainoo?

Mason Mount has done nothing for this club and needs to be jettisoned in the summer, I’m sure some team in Europe will take him on loan with an. Obligation to buy him for £22m for him.

He's losing for the reasons that have already been discussed ad nauseum earlier in this and other threads. His #9 isn't scoring goals, which is subervting our attacks and preventing us from being effective in the final 3rd. He is stuck with Hojlund this year. If Hojlund isn't up for the job, then the entire team will suffer since Zirkzee isn't a goal scorer either.
 
We are creating chances, some games you don't get as many, but Hojlund is never in the right place. He does not anticipate what the likes of Garnacho are going to do. That is why top goalscorers are what they are. Instinct. So in the end he gets ignored, because players think they will do a better job of scoring.
Hojlund is never at the end of a cross or pass. We had some chances and did ok, but there is no way Ruben can play amazing football with that squad and injuries
 
You reckon we should sack him?

Who would you go for, do we need to invest in the squad, where do we need investment.
Yes. If Ancelotti were to become available I would try for him. We need an experienced manager to turn this around.

We need investment obviously but we also need to set up to get the best out of what we have to work with. A striker, keeper and midfielder would be a good start.
 
The killer question now is do we trust his vision enough to blow multi millions on players that could be surplus if we sack him next season. It's a huge decision for the club.
This point is brought up so often and while I understand the insecurity about it, I think it is crazy overblown because it is so easy to prevent it. The only "special positions" are the wingbacks. Strikers, midfielders, 10ish players will be able to be used in different systems as well. And even the wingbacks will remain useful - heck we are talking about the club that formed the term defensive winger for Valencia (and later Young). Un-reusability can be limited by proper scouting, which needs to be done anyways, completely independent on who the manager is.
It’s utterly bizarre to suggest we’re creating anywhere near enough.
I agree with that. But thats also not just down to the coach or some whacky number of "defensive players" in the team. There is no doubt, that we have to improve on that and I absolute dread the notion around here that a good striker will solve so many issues but both issues are real, must be adressed. Irrespectable of who the manager is because creating good chances has been an issue since 10 years.
If we had a tactic that allowed us to have more attackers on the pitch instead of one that requires us to play with 7 defensive players (a back 5 and 2 DMs) and only 3 attackers we would create alot more chances and would score more goals.
Thats just wrong. Have you forgotten how we played under ETH? It was exactly the same stuff. One of your so called "DMs" is often Bruno. The other often Mainoo. Thats not defensive first. Fact is that chance creation has been a big problem for ages. I'd say it goes back to the last years of Fergie with a few periods in between where it wasn't at the forefront of our issues.
 
If I may jump in on this, I think the idea of there being a risk to backing him with players that fit his system is overplayed. People will reference the wbs, but they're basically just hard working wingers. Maybe you have to buy one or two more 10s than you would normally have, one or two more center backs. Otherwise in theory where's the risk? Will the 'next' manager not need a good center forward, a good center back, a good midfielder? Meanwhile if we look beyond positional attributes, look at the general attributes he requires - physical, hardworking, technically astute, good characters. Again, are these not attributes any manager would admire in the pl? Maybe if you want to go back to small, technical passers all over the pitch sure - but I sure fecking hoping we don't.

But all of this belies the point, which is, regardless of what system we're buying for, it doesn't matter if we don't buy a whole lot better overall than we have been doing the past decade. Buying a wb under Murtough/Woodwood would be a travesty regardless, because they would have been poorly scouted, overpaid and under nurtured, so when it came to selling them we either can't shift them or we end up taking a massive hit and then have less to reinvest. You would hope (and I really mean hope), that we're going to start doing better under the new management team. Younger, lower wages, lower fee, and thus a lot easier to shift if we need to, thus lowering the risk overall of backing any manager.

So in brief, the level of risk of backing Amorim has nothing to do with Amorim, and everything to do with whether we can start buying better.
Long story short, you highlighted the risk yourself.

Signing more number 10s, more centre backs and wbs that if it were not for Amorim we wouldn't need, and our limited funds could be spent elsewhere.
 
I'm confident that buying him 3 (maybe 4) high quality players will yield much better results next year. My expectation is to be in top 4 contention next year.
Does winning or losing the Europa League influence your opinion on keeping Amorim?

I feel this test (winning it) is as good as any other in determining if he’s the right man for the job. Tanking the league and finishing 17th is one thing, but if we don’t have a shiny new addition to the cabinet at the end of this campaign, I’d say he’s failed the audition. Every manager has crises and bad luck and not their ideal squad. I think he’s got enough to win it, and his skills as boss should be enough to get us over the line. If not, I’d rather spend the hundreds of millions on players for a different manager with a system more in line with traditional United play.
 
If we had a tactic that allowed us to have more attackers on the pitch instead of one that requires us to play with 7 defensive players (a back 5 and 2 DMs) and only 3 attackers we would create alot more chances and would score more goals.
Exactly, this is a system that a bottom 6 team in the EPL uses to try and draw and nick as many games as it can, 1-0 to survive in the Premier League, not a system that looks to attack the league and finish in the first 4/5 positions.

Even if we buy A new GK, a new CM, New RWB, New CF and new 10, there’s absolutely no guarantee that this would be significantly better, we might improve 20% so we have 27/28 pints from 22 games, that’s simply unacceptable as a Man United Coach and Omar Berrada should also lose his job with him, if we don’t see a vast improve next season, all it will take is two or three defeats in the first six or seven matches and the pressure to fire him will be too much for the board to ignore.
 
Yeah, he hopes. No chance we wait to see where we finish before we sack him if he continues with this shit show next season.

The guy has some how got himself an incredible free pass this season, where performances or results mean nothing, I'll give him that. Kind of makes me wonder what he is actually doing, because I have yet to see it.

The difference between this season and next is this season Berada and SJR have already factored in that we would struggle. That will not be in the calculus next year after a full summer window and subsequent summer training to get everyone prepared for 25/26. The free pass of this year won't be there fore him next year and the expectation is we will improve or else there will be consequences.
 
Wolves manager joined them a month after Amorim joined us, has a similar set-up and has collected more points than Amorim. In fact, Wolves are now on 5 league wins in a row. Amorim is yet to win back-to-back prem games

it's been very bad. If we don't win the EL, then we have to start considering things
 
Does winning or losing the Europa League influence your opinion on keeping Amorim?

I feel this test (winning it) is as good as any other in determining if he’s the right man for the job. Tanking the league and finishing 17th is one thing, but if we don’t have a shiny new addition to the cabinet at the end of this campaign, I’d say he’s failed the audition. Every manager has crises and bad luck and not their ideal squad. I think he’s got enough to win it, and his skills as boss should be enough to get us over the line. If not, I’d rather spend the hundreds of millions on players for a different manager with a system more in line with traditional United play.

It doesn't influence it. I would of course be disappointed, but it wouldn't change the long term project of getting us back to top four contention next year. The loss of CL funds by not qualifying would of course influence our chances in the league next year.
 
Yes. If Ancelotti were to become available I would try for him. We need an experienced manager to turn this around.

We need investment obviously but we also need to set up to get the best out of what we have to work with. A striker, keeper and midfielder would be a good start.
Carlo is known for being able to push good sides to become title winning sides. He gets the best out of good players but he isnt a magician
 
The difference between this season and next is this season Berada and SJR have already factored in that we would struggle. That will not be in the calculus next year after a full summer window and subsequent summer training to get everyone prepared for 25/26. The free pass of this year won't be there fore him next year and the expectation is we will improve or else there will be consequences.
Do you think they factored in it would be this bad? I don't think so. Not at all.
 
Yes. If Ancelotti were to become available I would try for him. We need an experienced manager to turn this around.

We need investment obviously but we also need to set up to get the best out of what we have to work with. A striker, keeper and midfielder would be a good start.
Ancelotti ain't coming and is most likely going to retire after Madrid, he has said as much himself. Even then, he's not going to turn Hojlund into a prolific striker.

The most likely alternative is going to be another project manager and there is no guarantee that would work either.

Its more important to get recruitment right imo because even we do end up sacking Amorim at least the squad will be in a better position to be competitive.

I agree we need a new spine but I'd also go as far as saying we need an entire new front line.
 
Wolves manager joined them a month after Amorim joined us, has a similar set-up and has collected more points than Amorim. In fact, Wolves are now on 5 league wins in a row. Amorim is yet to win back-to-back prem games

it's been very bad.

Wolves are a minnowish club with a tiny fraction of the pressure involved at United. That applies to managers and players. Just look at Antony in Spain v Antony at United. Its a completely different kettle of fish playing for a small club and fans with low expectations.
 
If I may jump in on this, I think the idea of there being a risk to backing him with players that fit his system is overplayed. People will reference the wbs, but they're basically just hard working wingers. Maybe you have to buy one or two more 10s than you would normally have, one or two more center backs. Otherwise in theory where's the risk? Will the 'next' manager not need a good center forward, a good center back, a good midfielder? Meanwhile if we look beyond positional attributes, look at the general attributes he requires - physical, hardworking, technically astute, good characters. Again, are these not attributes any manager would admire in the pl? Maybe if you want to go back to small, technical passers all over the pitch sure - but I sure fecking hoping we don't.

But all of this belies the point, which is, regardless of what system we're buying for, it doesn't matter if we don't buy a whole lot better overall than we have been doing the past decade. Buying a wb under Murtough/Woodwood would be a travesty regardless, because they would have been poorly scouted, overpaid and under nurtured, so when it came to selling them we either can't shift them or we end up taking a massive hit and then have less to reinvest. You would hope (and I really mean hope), that we're going to start doing better under the new management team. Younger, lower wages, lower fee, and thus a lot easier to shift if we need to, thus lowering the risk overall of backing any manager.

So in brief, the level of risk of backing Amorim has nothing to do with Amorim, and everything to do with whether we can start buying better.
I think it’s a bigger issue than you’re making it out to be. The problem isn’t the individual players but that the squad, after enough transfer windows, will start to become lopsided. Too many centre-backs, few if any traditional wingers, and some wingbacks who may be useful as wingers but not as useful as actual wingers. It would be expensive to reverse that and would mean that, for some time, transfers would, as they are now, again focus on adapting the squad rather than necessarily improving it.
 
I'm confident that buying him 3 (maybe 4) high quality players will yield much better results next year. My expectation is to be in top 4 contention next year.

The problem with that is we wont be able to attract 3 or 4 high quality players when we are in the bottom half of our domestic league and cant offer European Football and even if we could we dont have the funds to get them if our budget is only 200m as has been reported
 
Wolves are a minnowish club with a tiny fraction of the pressure involved at United. That applies to managers and players. Just look at Antony in Spain v Antony at United. Its a completely different kettle of fish playing for a small club and fans with low expectations.
We can apply this to Amorim then - Sporting vs Utd.
 
Ancelotti ain't coming and is most likely going to retire after Madrid, he has said as much himself. Even then, he's not going to turn Hojlund into a prolific striker.

The most likely alternative is going to be another project manager and there is no guarantee that would work either.

Its more important to get recruitment right imo because even we do end up sacking Amorim at least the squad will be in a better position to be competitive.

I agree we need a new spine but I'd also go as far as saying we need an entire new front line.
I reckon he would if he was leaving Real. It’s a hypothetical we’ll not likely get an answer to but that would be my first choice.

If recruitment is the most important then any run of the mill manager would suffice it seems.
 
I reckon he would if he was leaving Real. It’s a hypothetical we’ll not likely get an answer to but that would be my first choice.

If recruitment is the most important then any run of the mill manager would suffice it seems.
It's not black and white but it definitely helps. Footballs played on grass mate.

Ole isn't a particularly special manager, but he did pretty well with the tools at his disposal. He had some feckin great tools.
 
Do you think they factored in it would be this bad? I don't think so. Not at all.

I don't think SJR, Berada, and Wilcox thought we would be in the bottom half, but they also knew it would be risky to hijack a manager from a different club and different league and parachute him into the pressure cooker of the biggest club in the world - mid season - and expect some sort of positive outcome this season. No one expected us to win any trophies this year, and irrespective of the league, I think most fans would've welcomed a chance to make the CL (by winning a trophy along the way).
 
He just needs to be competent.
No doubt but I think, people are very harsh to take that tag away from Amorim already. It is disappointing, no doubt, but we as fans are complaining about mismanagement for ages, bad recruitment, having no plan, having no direction. Eventually this was always going to snap at some point. I think, it would have literally not make any difference at all who the manager would have been. Maybe a Moyes-kind competent coach would have been able to re-do an Ole approach, setting us up deep, go for counters. But we already know that this approach isn't going to get us where we ultimately want to go.
 
Wolves are a minnowish club with a tiny fraction of the pressure involved at United. That applies to managers and players. Just look at Antony in Spain v Antony at United. Its a completely different kettle of fish playing for a small club and fans with low expectations.

there's only so far "less pressure" serves as justification/explanation as to why he's been so poor comparetively.

whatever disparity in "pressure"/"expectations" - Manchester United hasn't won back to back league games - and has won less than a third of our league games - under the current manager, which opens him up to criticism, and scrutiny over the viability of his long-term employment

The EL, in my eyes, is a must for him
 
No doubt but I think, people are very harsh to take that tag away from Amorim already. It is disappointing, no doubt, but we as fans are complaining about mismanagement for ages, bad recruitment, having no plan, having no direction. Eventually this was always going to snap at some point. I think, it would have literally not make any difference at all who the manager would have been. Maybe a Moyes-kind competent coach would have been able to re-do an Ole approach, setting us up deep, go for counters. But we already know that this approach isn't going to get us where we ultimately want to go.
Yep, I don't think there is any other way we could play other than pragmatic, counter attacking football but we don't even have pace like that anymore.
 
The problem with that is we wont be able to attract 3 or 4 high quality players when we are in the bottom half of our domestic league and cant offer European Football and even if we could we dont have the funds to get them if our budget is only 200m as has been reported

I disagree with this. I think we will be in the mix with all the players we're actually interested in buying. The league position won't be more important than the stature and history of the club, or in the case of someone like Gyokeres, the existing relationship he has with the manager.
 
He's losing for the reasons that have already been discussed ad nauseum earlier in this and other threads. His #9 isn't scoring goals, which is subervting our attacks and preventing us from being effective in the final 3rd. He is stuck with Hojlund this year. If Hojlund isn't up for the job, then the entire team will suffer since Zirkzee isn't a goal scorer either.
And if we buy an Osimhen or Gykores next year and the team still averages 1 point per PL match played then what?
 
there's only so far "less pressure" serves as justification/explanation as to why he's been so poor comparetively.

whatever disparity in "pressure"/"expectations" - Manchester United hasn't won back to back league games - and has won less than a third of our league games - under the current manager, which opens him up to criticism, and scrutiny over the viability of his long-term employment

The EL, in my eyes, is a must for him

The problem at striker is by far the biggest reason for our underachievement. No other manager to include Klopp, Pep, Ancelloti or the rest, could've been dropped into United midseason and suddenly made Hojlund into Isak. If the player you're most reliant on to score goals isn't good enough, it has a knock on effect to every other aspect of the club.