I don't understand what people are asking for, we sack him?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches
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Still a completely different kettle of fish. Man Utd is one of the biggest clubs in the world, not just our league. There fans would have had zero expectations when he arrived either.
You can't excuse Amorim from your comment just because you don't want him to fail.
Its just the usual reaction following a loss.
Then you sell them. It should be that simple. You buy a player, doesn't work out, you sell them. You might lose a bit of money - you might even make a bit of money. Its all in how you buy. Someone will need a center back, someone will need a 10. The question is whether you've minimized the potential loss by buying and contracting at the right valuation in the first place.
So back the guy, and give him the best chance of success. But do so with a competency that means you are limiting your exposure.
Last post the day.
In the first half we created nothing and our best chances were set pieces, the second half once Bruno came on we looked better going forward but it was still the same with zero width and never forcing the Wolves keeper into a save which at Old Trafford is simply unforgivable yet this has happened on multiple occasions.
This is exactly my point as the bare minimum would be to improve what we do have as the Wolves manager has and as Moyes has but Amorim hasn’t even done that then everyone puts it down to not having the type of players he wants, nor does Moyes or the Wolves manager yet they’ve at least improved what they have.
Which is exactly what’s needed, to get the best out of the good players we have and to stabilise the club whilst building a strong foundation for us to build upon. I really like Amorim and I’d love for him to succeed BUT he’s not improving the players we have and is continually losing matches even when playing at times a back 7, if he doesn’t win Europa then I think he’s gone by Christmas as this can’t keep continuing.
Yeah, I know, it’s bizarre to see people questioning the worst-performing manager in the history of the club.
We've already been beaten to Quenda by Chelsea. If Arsenal come in for Gyokeres do you think Amorim's connection is enough? I don't.
Did you think Mourinho should've stayed at Porto in 2005 as well ?
He’s doing worse than Hodgson did at Liverpool, worse than Bruce at Newcastle (examples don’t get much worse than that).
We aren’t winning the EL because we aren’t set up to score goals. The only time we win is because the players start freestyling and going gung-ho.
He needs sacking today, not when we aren’t set knocked out of the EL.
Then he has to go. But who has suggested keeping him if we get recruitment right and we're still this bad?
That's not really what happened. Amorim had an agreement with Sporting that he wouldn't poach any of his old players this season. Therefore, even if he wanted Quenda, the deal Chelsea made was to allow the player to remain at Sporting for another season before going to England in 2026.
True. Though I'd say it is rather unlikely that ETHs and Amorims careers are going to be over sometime soon. No matter how their United times have been.
From what I know, ETH was being looked at by Liverpool and Bayern while Ruben was on the shortlist for Atletico, City and Liverpool. The last one was quite far advanced but ended abruptly due to a feckup by the consultant who scheduled a meeting with another team (Spurs I think) which has been seen as some sort of affront by Liverpool. So I can see your point but hindsight is always 20/20 and remember the reactions on here when we were brought in contact with Tuchel or Emery. They certainly didn't have the greatest standing, in Emerys case that changed a bit with Villa but before...
Makes sense but you make it look as if the manager would have been the only moving piece. You can use "bad recruitment" and "having no overarching systematic approach and plan" as a replacement for "calibre of manager" and it would work just fine.
Fair point and in conclusion, we'd be not far apart standpoint wise. As said before, I personally don't see myself as an Amorim supporter, I am just against ripping all up once again in the blind hope of finally landing the jackpot. While wasting more and more money on paying off former coaches. I am happy that Amorim seems to agree with some of the issues I consider issues (verticality, athleticism, workrate, organisation, discipline) and therefor, I think he isn't going to do more damage for now than there already is. But apart from that, I guess nobody know whether he the right one for the job. Maybe there is no "right one for the job". Maybe the path has to be throughout a minefield hoping not to lose a leg or an arm.
Hows that relevant. I didn't think Amorim should have stayed at Sporting all his career. Thats not what we are talking about?
Did you want to compare records of Jose vs Amorim for their first 22 games?
Difference is Jose stepped up when he left Porto. Didn't come up with constant excuses to buy time.
Remember the season when Guardiola won the league without a recognized striker up front before they signed Haaland? And tweaked his system to accommodate Haaland and won the league again? Good managers apparently adapt to the players they have and don't rigidly stick to a single system. Who knew.
Now we have posters absolving the manager of every blame for having us near relegation zone and putting it all on a single striker. Sure the squad isn't good enough to be top 6 or top 8 but its easily good enough to be atleast midtable. Amorim has been horribly underperforming since he's come in yet has every excuse under the sun made for him for some unknown reasons.
Now we have posters absolving the manager of every blame for having us near relegation zone and putting it all on a single striker. Sure the squad isn't good enough to be top 6 or top 8 but its easily good enough to be atleast midtable. Amorim has been horribly underperforming since he's come in yet has every excuse under the sun made for him for some unknown reasons.
Not yet. We don't win the Europa then the question 100% should be asked. He's very lucky we're able to back door are way into the champions league via the 2nd rate competition we're in. Whatever manager doesn't get the result should be shown the door (assuming it's us vs Spurs)
This is the worse squad we have had in the Premier League era, the few attacking players we have are nowhere near the required quality.
Clearly we should still be doing better then this and manager hasn’t and maybe never will work, but the biggest issue is the lack of quality we can put on the pitch, especially in attack.
Clearly we should still be doing better then this and manager hasn’t and maybe never will work, but the biggest issue is the lack of quality we can put on the pitch, especially in attack.
If you followed Jose's arrival at Chelsea, it was in the middle of a massive infusion of sugardaddy oligarch transfer fund cash from Roman at the time, which allowed him to hit the ground running and achieve immediate success. Amorim's arrival at Untied is light years apart from Jose going to Chelsea.
Remember as well when some fans used to call Pep a chequebook manager? And now thats exactly what people are advocating for with Amorim
How incredibly disingenuous. You do but won't address it because it invalidates your opinion.
Klopp, Arteta, Pep, even Sir Alex's early results all say hello.
So why did you bring him up then?
Respectfully if you can't keep relevant to what we were talking about then lets just leave it here.
It annoyed me when Dorgu whipped in a lovely cross and nobody got near it. But then a few minutes later he did the same thing and yet again, nobody made a run. It was so obvious what he was going to do, and I'm just a fat guy eating crisps on my sofa.
You do realise that teams that win 5-0 don't have an xg of 5 right?
Most non penalty goals come from situations that have an xg less than 0.5 and often even smaller than that.
Learn something new everyday. Fair enough. Still think Gyokeres would choose champions league football over Amorim, especially if we aren't offering the huge wages that have been the draw for the big players we have got over the last few years.
For obvious reasons. Because he came from the same league with no prior experience coaching a big premier league club. The difference between them is Jose had massive backing of funds and bought Drogba, Ricardo Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira, Robben, Alex (CB), Kezman, Tiago Mendes and others in window #1, and Essien, Diarra, and Crespo in window #2. Amorim has yet to have even his first window to strengthen accordingly.
Is it not a possibility that he's also losing because he's not good enough? Or are we back to the binary decision of blaming either the manager or the players
Disagree. I learned how important the manager is after we lost Fergie.
you acknowledged the team isn't good and should be at least midtable which is 10th, but their 14th currently. So the difference is 4 spots currently, what are you are suggesting he isn't good enough and should be gone?
Also, that city side still had goal scorers, we don't. Striker is still issue but most importantly, our whole attack is the issue. Bruno has carried us a lot
Yeah to blame it on a single striker isn't the way. It's a poor squad and a lack of adaptation to the squad from Amorim.
No doubt goals buy you wins which buy you time and we don't have any goalscorers in our team though.
Do we have a weaker squad in terms of attacking threat last year? No Rashford, Sancho, Antony or Mctominay. It's an uninspiring list, however this is a team which had -1 goal difference last year.
I don't think that's the case, in fact, every manager would struggle to win games if they were dropped into a team mid season and with a striker who has 3 league goals all year. If you want to make the case that Amorim isn't good enough, then you have to also make the case that he has all the resources he needs to be successful. No one thinks the latter bit to be true.
The manager is very important but the quality of players is still the most important thing. Fergie had some amazing players under him, just like Guardiola, just like Ancelotti.
We've had good managers here since he's left, but the club has been run very poorly since Fergie left, and that's because it seems like he ran the entire club whilst everyone else was modernising their structure for success.
But City just spent more money in January than all of the other teams in the league combined, just so they could crawl up to the CL spots? I'm not sure that wanting the manager to get some decent players, to replace the lackluster ones we have, is the same thing as Pep joining top teams and still splashing the cash every year.Remember as well when some fans used to call Pep a chequebook manager? And now thats exactly what people are advocating for with Amorim
People saying we are not set up to score goals. Even if you are, there has to be a spearhead at the top end to put it in the net. The fact they bought him for that sort of money, but then added to our issues getting Zirkzee, who I actually like, but is not a striker, has made our issues worse. If they sign another project in the summer for up front we will not improve. I actually think, barring the goalie, he has got the defence playing pretty well. That is a difficult job when we cannot keep the same personel in there for a big number of games. Prefer Bruno deeper so he can create from there. Being a striker for United can be very hit and miss, everybody brings up the great strikers of SAF's era, but we also signed so called prolific strikers in the distant pass who wilted under the pressure.
A loss?
This is a man who since December has won one game against a team which isn’t Ipswich, Leicester, Southampton In the league
Question marks have to be asked
What you have done is throw in a comparison by bringing Jose into it, to excuse Amorim. Then excuse any comparisons between the two, because rightly the the situations are night and day.
Which makes the whole reason of bringing Jose into it totally irrelevant.
A diversion tactic to avoid agreeing, that yes your big vs small club comment can apply to Amorim too.
I have no problem with spending big money rejuvenating a below par, unbalanced squad. Do you?Remember as well when some fans used to call Pep a chequebook manager? And now thats exactly what people are advocating for with Amorim
Do you think any other manager wouldn't require us to do this in order for us to improve?
The excuse was Pep has to sign players to fit his system. Thats exactly what Amorim has to do.
Pep inherited a squad that was capable of challenging and won the title the penultimate season before, if I remember correctly.Remember as well when some fans used to call Pep a chequebook manager? And now thats exactly what people are advocating for with Amorim
He also sounded £50m a pop on defenders like it was candy, which at the time was wild.
Plenty are defending the manager.? When the Wolves manager took over they were the worst team in the league with Southampton. He has now built a team who has won 5 in a row while we haven't won two games in a row. I am all for giving managers time but Amorim has shown no adapting skills what so ever. Starting to doubt this project will he be given 250m this summer to buy his players only to be sacked in November and next manager complaining about the lack of balance in the squad. Don't get me wrong I like Amorim and I want him to do well but the results under him are appalling.
But we didn't have exotic managers before and look where squad composition led us until right now! Wingers who aren't facilitating for others, nor score, nor working for the team (Rash, Sancho). With fullbacks that do nothing in attack, one ballwinner who isn't considered immobile, no striker who scores and two weak AMs having to play in midfield. The mess is here right now. It seems like you are worried about the mess it could be at the end of some process that hasnt even started. Once again - lets not act as if Amorims systems requires the most exotic players possible out there. It doesn't. This is just no valid point in my eyes apart from the wingbacks who, as another poster said, can be "recycled" as wingers or fullbacks or/and be sold.
It isn't in my eyes. We are years behind most of our rivals when it comes to collective principles. We have to force this evolution as soon as possible to get further away from the pack as it is. There are next to no players in this squad who are irreplacable, nothing in the way we play is worth conserving because it works so well. People are always asking whether we need another rebuild, another batch of new player - the issue is that never really finish one but always leave to much of the old guard around to make it opportune to fall back into old habits. I see your point and of course, if a manager comes in who can improve player we already have, even better but at some point we have to stop acting as if most of them are "very good we only have to unlock them". No. They aren't.
Yeah had surely nothing to do with the City squad being designed for years and a well oiled machine longe before that. Its all about adaptabilty. You'd have a point with the analogy when United had something to build up on. But there wasn't. We sucked under ETH. We sucked under Ole. We weren't creating good chances, we weren't controlling the ball, we weren't controlling opposition chances.
So have the players. And now what? Rolling the dice another time? I haven't seen people around who propagate Amorim doing a stellar job. He deserves criticism for some decisions, fair play. But what to do now. If there is no plan in place, there is simply no point in throwing the towel.
No. But its the same. Pep has to sign players to fit his system, so does Amorim.