Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

Big Ben Foster said:
I expect him to have a say, sure, but signing players tailor-made for a specific manager's style of play has long been a recipe for disaster for us.
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Berada obviously knew that Amorim played a specific style and formation before he signed him, so it wouldn't make much sense for the club to change Amorim. The likelier scenario is they will support him by buying a list of players he has identified for various positions in need.
 
Raoul said:
Berada obviously knew that Amorim played a specific style and formation before he signed him, so it wouldn't make much sense for the club to change Amorim. The likelier scenario is they will support him by buying a list of players he has identified for various positions in need.
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Surely you agree this sounds scarily similar to ETH?
 
I didn’t quite realise how little wins we’ve had in the league under him.

I feel he has to win the Europa League. If he doesn’t, he hasn’t done anything really to give true encouragement that he’ll be a success any more than Ole or Erik did.

I’ll back him, and I didn’t expect to win today really, but it really is EL or bust. Our league from under him is diabolical. No excuses.
 
askabob said:
For all of you who are Amorim in-

Is there anything that would make you want him out? What if he had lost 20 league games this season instead of 11 (!!). Or do you think that any manager who comes in mid-season should get a free hit until they get a summer transfer window?

What have we seen of Amorim over 6 months that makes us think he is worth spending our limited budget on?

Even if we fluke our way to a EL win, he should go.
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I'd have wanted Amorim out of I believed I'd seen no improvement whatsoever on his first few months, where we were absolutely shite. I don't think that, though.

For all you lot go on about luck, I'd say Amorim has had far, far more bad luck in recent matches than the good. Against Forest, Wolves, and Bournemouth we were the better side and either lost or drew because our opponents were much more clinical. Even against Lyon, which we supposedly only won on a fluke, Onana might as well have thrown two goals into his own net and Garnacho missed a piss easy chance to put the tie to bed at Old Trafford when we were 2-0 up.
 
soapythecat said:
Lyon - Red cards. Changed the game and we advanced.
Athletic - whilst being one up, we were under the cosh. The red card changed the game and we failed to capitalise on that even. At 11v11 we were exposed all over the pitch.
It’s not supporting an agenda, just the way I see it.
We’ve ridden our luck in the EL and even some of our PL wins have been fortunate.
My only agenda is hoping United don’t make the same mistake we did with ETH because it’s plainly obvious where we are going under Amorim.
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Do you think that the red cards were given by the ref because he thought we needed the help? That we deserved some luck? Or did they happen as a result of United playing good football and the opposition being forced into a mistake? You’re talking like red cards just spawn every so often and that we happened to just come across a couple.

It just comes across as being completely unable to give any type of credit because you’re so entrenched in getting a new manager. It’s ok to have a slightly more balanced look. It’s not all doom and gloom.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
We don't have the players for it, it must be obvious by now.

Imagine being a United fan thinking we will reach top 5 next season with Dalot and Dorgu at WB.
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Don’t hire a manager half way through a season when you don’t have the budget or players for his system? Another mistake by highly paid decisions makers who keep getting it wrong.
 
Raoul said:
He was one of our better players today, and I think Amorim's comments were made in context that Mount has missed a lot of football over the past year and is finally back and regaining form. The goal obviously helped that perception as well as his confidence. Suspect he will be an important player midweek as well.
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I think he was not as bad as he was on Thursday but we were completely overwhelmed in that first half when he was one of our #10s. The worry is Amorim has constantly mentioned how much he likes Mount but I hope he has better talent spotting abilities than that.
 
hellhunter said:
Surely you agree this sounds scarily similar to ETH?
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It would be the case for most managers. You're signing someone with a specific philosophy that worked elsewhere in the hope and expectation that they can replicate that at your club. ETH had his chance and wound up recruiting players like Weghorst, Hojlund, and Zirkzee; which ultimately led to his unemployment. If Amorim buys similar players this summer, I would be concerned.
 
I think those of us that think the manager has improved a lot of things and want to see what he can do given a few players in the summer need to stop arguing with those who will still use every now meaningless defeat in the league to add to his list of crimes.

For me, the way we're generally playing in terms of structure and buildup is miles better than anything I saw under Ten Hag's united after the league cup final win.
 
Him buying Dorgu is a major concern for me. Maybe the player will improve immensely in a couple of years but i have seen nothing yet so far for that to happen. Does he have the final say in transfers or does that come from the recruitment team?
 
Swedish_Plumber said:
Do you think that the red cards were given by the ref because he thought we needed the help? That we deserved some luck? Or did they happen as a result of United playing good football and the opposition being forced into a mistake? You’re talking like red cards just spawn every so often and that we happened to just come across a couple.

It just comes across as being completely unable to give any type of credit because you’re so entrenched in getting a new manager. It’s ok to have a slightly more balanced look. It’s not all doom and gloom.
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This is on the money. The Bilbao red card, for example, came about because we created what would have been a golden opportunity for Hojlund had they not committed the foul.

I'd have been slightly more open to it being "lucky" if these red cards were just opponents going into two-footed for no real reason, as Bournemouth did, but that wasn't the case against Bilbao or Lyon at all.
 
edgecutter said:
Eth got 600 million. If amorim can't get his system going with 200 million signings then he needs the boot.
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$200 mil will likely get us 4 players. You think Amorim will be able to turn it around if he got 4 new players? Let alone title winning, you think we can get top 4 playing his current style with just our summer recruitment?
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Think Ragnick ran at 1.5, Amorim is at 1
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Well we're definitely at the point where anyone who thinks Amorim deserves a second season needs to explain why Rangnick didn't deserve the same, since Rangnick objectively performed much better.
 
NK86 said:
I think he was not as bad as he was on Thursday but we were completely overwhelmed in that first half when he was one of our #10s. The worry is Amorim has constantly mentioned how much he likes Mount but I hope he has better talent spotting abilities than that.
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I like Mount as well and feel his very underrated - partly because of injury and partly because he's an easy target for scapegoating in a team who are underperforming as a whole.
 
NK86 said:
$200 mil will likely get us 4 players. You think Amorim will be able to turn it around if he got 4 new players? Let alone title winning, you think we can get top 4 playing his current style with just our summer recruitment?
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I think he can turn it around with one player.
 
Josep Dowling said:
So when it’s a disaster the club has spent £200m and the season is a write off again? Sounds like dejavu.
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Yes, unfortunately that's the situation we are in. If it does not work out, it will feel like deja-vu. Hopefully the players bought in the summer would be screened wisely, so the are not slave to a specific system or manager, in case it does not work out. I'm hoping it does not reach that point & we play much better in the league. For now, lets root behind the team for 2 games in Europe. Getting the CL participation, will make a massive difference for us next season.
 
Jev said:
The Amorim apologists want us to repeat the exact same mistakes as we’ve done in the last 10 years, there’s no point trying to reason with them.
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That would kinda defeat the purpose of this forum though. Compared to other days, today feels pretty civilised in here
 
Jev said:
The Amorim apologists want us to repeat the exact same mistakes as we’ve done in the last 10 years, there’s no point trying to reason with them.
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Stop with posts like this. Either debate sensibly or don't post in this thread.
 
I'm really torn, I'm tired of the cycle of "needs time to build the team" and endless hashing of deadwood. But at the same time when I look at the team sheet it really does make me wonder what I could have expected today. I know people don't like Frank, but he's a manager who has his team drilled and they are sharp enough to exploit a team that is comprised in large part a mixture of inexperience and rust.

I don't particularly like selling out for one competition, but I also don't like Bruno and our other better players (or even just players we need for Thursday on a squad basis, like Hojlund) being run into the ground.

Regardless of what happens I think he'll get a chunk of next season to try and show some improvement. So we'll see what happens in the summer and how they try to improve the squad.
 
witchtrials said:
Well we're definitely at the point where anyone who thinks Amorim deserves a second season needs to explain why Rangnick didn't deserve the same, since Rangnick objectively performed much better.
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Rangnick was never going to be the full time manager - the idea was that he would stay on as consultant, but ETH nixed that idea if you believe the press.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
If Forest, Fulham, Palace, Wolves, Everton or Brentford have better squads than we do, I should just watch another sport.
Amorim is massively underachieving in the league.
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They do physically which is one of the biggest ingredients you need to be successful in this league. Our individual players are better if you look at them on paper but collectively they get bullied by these teams week in week out.
 
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hellhunter said:
That would kinda defeat the purpose of this forum though. Compared to other days, today feels pretty civilised in here
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My point is simply that if at this point you’re not even a little worried, not even a little bit in doubt, then you are deluded.
 
Raoul said:
I like Mount as well and feel his very underrated - partly because of injury and partly because he's an easy target for scapegoating in a team who are underperforming as a whole.
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I think he can be a useful squad player in a team which is firing on all cylinders with a settled first 11. The current state of our squad and his wages mean that he is just a very poor use of our resources.

If there was anyone silly enough to offer us money for him, we should take it blindly and run.
 
Jev said:
My point is simply that if at this point you’re not even a little worried, not even a little bit in doubt, then you are deluded.
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I can't imagine even the most staunch Amorim in poster doesn't have a little worry by now, that would indeed be deluded. For me this worry far outweighs the hope, but other apparently disagree
 
Just look at the nature of the goals conceded today. It absolutely nothing to do with ‘system’ or whatever jargon you want to use.
 
We haven't beaten a premier league team that isn't in the bottom 3 since January
 
DavelinaJolie said:
I'm really torn, I'm tired of the cycle of "needs time to build the team" and endless hashing of deadwood.
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I mean surely it holds some merit here?

Amorim was handed a squad that was recognised by essentially everyone to be in dire straits, and has thus far had one senior player added to it.
 
Raoul said:
It could be Cunha or Gyokeres. Check the transfer forum threads for debates there.
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I meant that there is no silver bullet to our current predicament. I think the squad definitely needs a rebuild but our on field issues are not just personnel issues but rather tactical ones too. If Amorim staunchly follows this current style, I feel he will not last next season.
 
Jev said:
The Amorim apologists want us to repeat the exact same mistakes as we’ve done in the last 10 years, there’s no point trying to reason with them.
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EtH's first season everyone was okay with because we ended well and was winning, what was his downfall? Recruitment making his seasons after dreadful, not better. EtH went with players he knew of and weren't good enough for the PL or a top club

If INEOS are going to make mistakes, it's not going to be managers that make a big difference trust me, it'll be recruitment starting this summer. I solely believe if we don't buy well this summer Amorim's being sacked and no matter what manager we're bringing in will struggling

no matter what style, formation etc
 
SirAF said:
Rangnick was never going to be the full time manager - the idea was that he would stay on as consultant, but ETH nixed that idea if you believe the press.
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That's my understanding. ETH didn't even want to meet him and I wonder why? Maybe he was worried that Ralfie would see something he didn't like.
 
NK86 said:
I meant that there is no silver bullet to our current predicament. I think the squad definitely needs a rebuild but our on field issues are not just personnel issues but rather tactical ones too. If Amorim staunchly follows this current style, I feel he will not last next season.
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It will be interesting to see what the club does this summer. I suspect they will buy a few quality players and get all our injured ones (except Martinez) back for next season. Having a full, rested squad alongside Cunha, and a Gyokeres/Sesko/Delap type striker, and maybe a CM like Ederson will completely change the calculus going into next year imo. The main priority is scoring a lot of goals, which Cunha and a new striker will help with immensely.
 
Raoul said:
Berada obviously knew that Amorim played a specific style and formation before he signed him, so it wouldn't make much sense for the club to change Amorim. The likelier scenario is they will support him by buying a list of players he has identified for various positions in need.
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Why would he be identifying them though? He's not a scout.

It's just not an effective way to run recruitment nowadays, as we've learned the hard way many times.

And yes, broadly speaking, I do agree that a quality striker would make a huge difference to our squad. But I don't want the manager to necessarily be the one tasked with identifying that striker.
 
SirAF said:
Rangnick was never going to be the full time manager - the idea was that he would stay on as consultant, but ETH nixed that idea if you believe the press.
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He massively performed Amorim though, so if Amorim deserves a second season then it was a great disservice to Rangnick not to offer him the job full time.
 
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