Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach | Thread locked during matches

[Giggsy13]

1000 pages on our manager who has been here 6 months, bloody hell.

6 wins 6 draws and 12 losses in the league will do that.

 

[thisisnottaken1]

1000 pages on our manager who has been here 6 months, bloody hell.

Some people need to touch grass.

 

[askabob]

I don't think there's anything about his results this season that would have made me want him out, no, is the short answer.

Some extreme scenarios that I consider so unlikely it's not worth discussing but as I say, short answer...no

Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion- I don’t understand how any manager should be guaranteed their job despite terrible on the job performance for >6 months, even if they came mid season…Especially in a multi-billion dollar football club. No other top club, or non-football corporation for that matter, tolerates mediocrity like we do.

If he stays into next season there is >80% chance he is sacked before December, and it’ll be yet another season to write off.

 

[RuudTom83]

If United start next season with the same form as they are finishing this season…he will be under so much pressure after a month.

He is only getting away with it now because of the EL run.

But I’m not sure how much the players can improve on over the summer holidays. Losing has become a bad habit.

 

[Vidooq]

I heard it was United's youngest ever starting XI in the Premier League today (third overall).

You can tell that Brentford was targeting Amass and Fredrickson, and they scored 3 goals from the positions them two were supposed to cover. Amass lost the header for the Shaw own goal, I know Fredrickson lost the ball for Shade's goal, and there were couple of other occasions where he looked out of place. Context goes a long way in some instances, as they were bullied due to their age and inexperience.

Same with the coach. Give these players to Pep, and he will cut his head off, not just scratch it.

 

[croadyman]

And that’s Amorims fault how? He didn’t want to come mid season. So he can use that as an excuse. He wanted to start this upcoming season.

Many on here don't want to hear that even though surely it's a valid reason for his diabolical league form

 

[RedSky]

Losing has become a bad habit.

It's been that way since we hired ETH unfortunately. He got the squad and fans used to losing and its carried on with Amorim.

But I think it's pretty clear that INEOS are onboard with Amorim and the management and owners all seem to agree that the squad is really not good enough. It's inevitable big changes will happen in the Summer, I think more than most are expecting. The loaning of Sancho, Antony and Rashford makes it pretty clear they realise our forward line in particular is dross. If we continue to have the same bad form going into October then he'll be gone. But I think it's very clear that he'll be the United boss into 25/26. No doubt in my mind we'll stick with him and back him.

 

[silvercre]

Should have hired Ranieri...

 

[El Jefe]

Whatever happened to coaching what you have? Every conversation in here for the last four years has been about managers needing a window or two and getting their players.

Ole came in and got the same set of players working well and then added his own in AWB, Bruno and Maguire but for the most part the core of his team was players already at the club.

You coach and improve what you have then you get given money to improve priority positions. You don't just do a shitty job coaching what you have and get the players labelled as shite and demand an overhaul.

The same with Emery and Iraola. Sure they've spent money but they coached and improved what they have first. Amorim has barely improved anything in the team and the only players you can say have improved are Bruno and Amad but they are our best players anyway.

 

[DJ_21]

Err well he is the manager, picks the team and decides the tactics. It really is on him. His tactical stubbornness is killing us imho.

The same tactics that’s got him to a European final? As for picking the team. It’s the team he got left with…

 

[croadyman]

If United start next season with the same form as they are finishing this season…he will be under so much pressure after a month.

He is only getting away with it now because of the EL run.

But I’m not sure how much the players can improve on over the summer holidays. Losing has become a bad habit.

Yeah even as one of his staunchest defenders on here I will admit he is gonna be skating on very thin ice

Whatever happened to coaching what you have? Every conversation in here for the last four years has been about managers needing a window or two and getting their players.

Ole came in and got the same set of players working well and then added his own in AWB, Bruno and Maguire but for the most part the core of his team was players already at the club.

You coach and improve what you have then you get given money to improve priority positions. You don't just do a shitty job coaching what you have and get the players labelled as shite and demand an overhaul.

The same with Emery and Iraola. Sure they've spent money but they coached and improved what they have first. Amorim has barely improved anything in the team and the only players you can say have improved are Bruno and Amad but they are our best players anyway.

So you want him out of the door in the summer?

 

[Vidooq]

Whatever happened to coaching what you have? Every conversation in here for the last four years has been about managers needing a window or two and getting their players.

Ole came in and got the same set of players working well and then added his own in AWB, Bruno and Maguire but for the most part the core of his team was players already at the club.

You coach and improve what you have then you get given money to improve priority positions. You don't just do a shitty job coaching what you have and get the players labelled as shite and demand an overhaul.

The same with Emery and Iraola. Sure they've spent money but they coached and improved what they have first. Amorim has barely improved anything in the team and the only players you can say have improved are Bruno and Amad but they are our best players anyway.

Ole's counterattacking football was not sustainable. This is why he did not win anything. Every time he got a well drilled team that sat deep, he looked like out of his depth, maybe partly because of the profile of players he had.

Amorim is looking to assemble a team that can dominate the opponents. This is not something that this group of players have done in 3 consecutive matches in the past 5 years even once.

It not easy to coach players that are on the way out or are limited, tactically or physically. Lindelof, Eriksen, Heaton, Evans are about to check out. Add to that the unavailability through injuries to Mount, Shaw, Martinez and the physical limitations to certain players. You can't make Maguire faster, Hojlund better striker or Onana a better keeper. Rashford did not want to accept to train the way he was asked to.

I don't want to be making excuses, he needs coachable players with some quality that he can work with, i.e Zirkzee.

 

[El Jefe]

Yeah even as one of his staunchest defenders on here I will admit he is gonna be skating on very thin ice

So you want him out of the door in the summer?

No not in the summer but he should have a very short leash next season. Keeping ETH longer only did more damage to us and the same would be true with Amorim.

His favourite excuse in his early weeks was "no trainings". If he gets a full preseason with all the time for training and there's no improvement in his 3 at the back within the first six weeks and he refuses to change the system he should be booted out immediately.

 

[Garethw]

He was handpicked by the CEO. Not a chance he goes.

The CEO is not Ratcliffe though. We’ve seen how ruthless he is.

 

[Garethw]

Because their own credibility is vested in Amorim's success, especially after botching the final months of ETH's tenure. Therefore if Amorim wins a major trophy and gets us into the CL, there's virtually zero chance they don't double down on Amorim this summer. If things work out then great. If they don't, they will at least have the leverage to say he was given the benefit of a proper summer window and full season to showcase what he's capable of.

I totally agree that there is zero chance he’ll be sacked if we win the EL. But I don’t think he’s safe if we don’t.

 

[MF1138]

It should be pointed out that Amorim is the Ineos management group's first managerial appointment. He is the first real attempt of them asserting their style. If the do sack him in a month or a year or whenever there is nothing to say that they won't just be looking for a better version of a similar concept. What came before wasn't by their design.

 

[Judas]

It's funny, because I know what he means saying we're not ready to compete in the CL. But I'd say we're closer to CL success than we are PL success. Our squad is so shockingly wrong for the physicality of English football, it's unforgivable how its been allowed to happen.

 

[Redstain]

I totally agree that there is zero chance he’ll be sacked if we win the EL. But I don’t think he’s safe if we don’t.

Amorim has absolutely no credibility with being knocked out of the Europa league. I don't believe the notion of INEOS success being vested into this managerial appointment. It takes clubs a period of time before embarking on the right manager. I remember the perception of that Barcelona team barely two years ago and the drastic uplift in Flick's appointment has revolutionised their standings.

To think INEOS will come in and within 2 seasons land on a goldmine is unrealistic. I reckon they'll go through 4-5 managers before the team is capable of challenging. Irrespective everything comes down to the managers accountability.

Amorim has been abysmal this season, the conditions he was given to work within certainly is on Berrada but fans need to ask themselves, who is more expendable between a young promising manager and a senior level member in the hierarchy.

 

[Raoul]

The CEO is not Ratcliffe though. We’ve seen how ruthless he is.

Ratcliffe has previously said sacking the manager isn't his call.

​

Ten Hag's Man United future not my call, Ratcliffe says​

https://www.reuters.com/sports/socc...future-not-my-call-ratcliffe-says-2024-10-04/


Therefore Berada would be the one who would have to make such a move, and since Amorim is Berada's guy, there's little chance he will be sacked unless he gets through at least a full year in charge (as in from last Oct to this coming Christmas) before such a move would be considered imo.

 

[Garethw]

Because it’s blatantly obvious perhaps? He’s not getting sacked even if he loses the EL, let alone winning it.

what’s blatantly obvious? The fact that our PL form is relegation level under Amorim?

I’m sorry but this unwavering support is getting ridiculous now. He has absolutely no money in the bank at all to justify fans believing that he can turn this around next season.

What will the excuse be next year when we are being beaten week after week in the PL?

 

[Judas]

I just don't see him going anywhere. If you sack him you look impressively thick due to bringing him in mid season and asking him to shift everything to his way of playing. INEOS won't want to look inept and clueless for a second summer running. They'll back him. I'm surprised its a debate.

 

[Garethw]

Ratcliffe has previously said sacking the manager isn't his call.

​

Ten Hag's Man United future not my call, Ratcliffe says​

https://www.reuters.com/sports/socc...future-not-my-call-ratcliffe-says-2024-10-04/


Therefore Berada would be the one who would have to make such a move, and since Amorim is Berada's guy, there's little chance he will be sacked unless he gets through at least a full year in charge (as in from last Oct to this coming Christmas) before such a move would be considered imo.

You don’t think Ratcliffe will sack Berada? I’d bet good money he’ll be toast if we don’t win the EL.

 

[Raoul]

I just don't see him going anywhere. If you sack him you look impressively thick due to bringing him in mid season and asking him to shift everything to his way of playing. INEOS won't want to look inept and clueless for a second summer running. They'll back him. I'm surprised its a debate.

Its only a debate following a loss, but rarely after a win, which suggests its simply a coping mechanism to discuss sacking the manager.

 

[Garethw]

I just don't see him going anywhere. If you sack him you look impressively thick due to bringing him in mid season and asking him to shift everything to his way of playing. INEOS won't want to look inept and clueless for a second summer running. They'll back him. I'm surprised it’s a debate.

Backing the underperforming manager in the summer and then sacking him a couple of months into the new season two years running will look far far more inept.

 

[Raoul]

You don’t think Ratcliffe will sack Berada? I’d bet good money he’ll be toast if we don’t win the EL.

I don't think he would sack Berada unless he sensed there was a legitimate structural problem with his approach. What we are instead seeing are early growing pains of a long term trajectory of success. If we make the CL and load up on top players this summer, we could easily be back in the top 4 mix next year alongside a deep run into the CL.

 

[Garethw]

It’s only a debate following a loss, but rarely after a win, which suggests it’s simply a coping mechanism to discuss sacking the manager.

Dude, come on. We all want the manager to succeed. If he succeeds the team is succeeding ffs. But look at this logically from the other side. Our form and results in the PL are completely unacceptable. Six wins since November for Gods sake.

 

[Judas]

Backing the underperforming manager in the summer and then sacking him a couple of months into the new season two years running will look far far more inept.

Sticking with Ten Hag was in a league of its own of ineptness. It was right there for him to be sacked, he'd stunk up the place and they could easily say they want to bring their own man in to oversea this new chapter, with a new style and ideas. I'm still baffled they stuck with him.

Sticking with Amorim into next season is totally different to me.

 

[Garethw]

I don't think he would sack Berada unless he sensed there was a legitimate structural problem with his approach. What we are instead seeing are early growing pains of a long term trajectory of success. If we make the CL and load up on top players this summer, we could easily be back in the top 4 mix next year alongside a deep run into the CL.

I hope you are right mate.

 

[MF1138]

Ratcliffe has previously said sacking the manager isn't his call.

​

Ten Hag's Man United future not my call, Ratcliffe says​

https://www.reuters.com/sports/socc...future-not-my-call-ratcliffe-says-2024-10-04/


Therefore Berada would be the one who would have to make such a move, and since Amorim is Berada's guy, there's little chance he will be sacked unless he gets through at least a full year in charge (as in from last Oct to this coming Christmas) before such a move would be considered imo.

Says a lot of things. I wouldn' be taking any of them to the bank...Also it doesn't mean he can't assert pressure on Berada if he's unhappy. We really don't know. Hopefully we win the Europa and never have to find out.

 

[Raoul]

Dude, come on. We all want the manager to succeed. If he succeeds the team is succeeding ffs. But look at this logically from the other side. Our form and results in the PL are completely unacceptable. Six wins since November for Gods sake.

Its completely accurate. If you look at this thread following a win, its tumbleweed city in terms of negativity. If you come here following a loss, the pitch forks immediately come out. These are predictable emotional reactions for any club in transition.

 

[croadyman]

I don't think he would sack Berada unless he sensed there was a legitimate structural problem with his approach. What we are instead seeing are early growing pains of a long term trajectory of success. If we make the CL and load up on top players this summer, we could easily be back in the top 4 mix next year alongside a deep run into the CL.

Yeah that inability to load up on top players is what I fear could well be his downfall next season

 

[Raoul]

Says a lot of things. I wouldn' be taking any of them to the bank...Also it doesn't mean he can't assert pressure on Berada if he's unhappy. We really don't know. Hopefully we win the Europa and never have to find out.

Agreed. My suspicion is Amorim will steady the ship next year after injecting the squad with a few new players. Cunha in particular, could be a game changer next year.

 

[croadyman]

No not in the summer but he should have a very short leash next season. Keeping ETH longer only did more damage to us and the same would be true with Amorim.

His favourite excuse in his early weeks was "no trainings". If he gets a full preseason with all the time for training and there's no improvement in his 3 at the back within the first six weeks and he refuses to change the system he should be booted out immediately.

I would say he has a leash to second international break, just remember if we get a tough run of fixtures are you going to pull the plug within a few games

 

[MF1138]

Agreed. My suspicion is Amorim will steady the ship next year after injecting the squad with a few new players. Cunha in particular, could be a game changer next year.

I hope so. I worry about the striker. I think the system is too reliant on having a top goal scorer (particularly an assertive one who will demand service) to try and rely on another project player. If we can sort that out and he goes with at least one properly attacking wingback, I have much higher hopes.

 

[MF1138]

I would say he has a leash to second international break, just remember if we get a tough run of fixtures are you going to pull the plug within a few games

I think their biggest nightmare would be sacking him around October. That will really make them look stupid, making what looks like the exact same bad decisions two years in a row. I think they'll do everything they can not to have that happen.

 

[DSG]

Lyon - Red cards. Changed the game and we advanced.
Athletic - whilst being one up, we were under the cosh. The red card changed the game and we failed to capitalise on that even. At 11v11 we were exposed all over the pitch.
It’s not supporting an agenda, just the way I see it.
We’ve ridden our luck in the EL and even some of our PL wins have been fortunate.
My only agenda is hoping United don’t make the same mistake we did with ETH because it’s plainly obvious where we are going under Amorim.

You’ve been banging this drum for days now.

I agree, the results in the PL have been unacceptable and Amorim deserves to be criticized accordingly. But you should be able to see the nuance here.

The focus of ire for those who want Amorim sacked is the formation, but our biggest problem by far is a lack of talent, technical ability and athleticism. Combine that with some tactically challenged footballers (Hojlund, Garnacho) and we are in 15th…

The experienced 24 to 28 year olds have been lost (Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Mctominay).

For me, the blame of this season is partially on Amorim because he has chosen to stick to a system rather than grind out results in a compact 4-2-3-1 and landing somewhere around 10th.

But this is the worst squad, talent wise, we’ve had in living memory. We have one great player (Bruno), that’s it. The rest are barely internationals. I believe Mainoo, Amad and maybe Yoro could develop into good squad players, but the rest are either too old (Casemiro, Maguire) or have serious warts (Ugarte, Maguire, DeLigt, Onana, Lindelof, Dalot, Hojlund, Licha). This is at least 50% of the problem. And is that on Amorim?

I’d like to see a really good window with 5 to 7 good players and see what Amorim can do. He should have a short leash, say 12 PL games. If we are in 6th, continue with the project, if not, he should be sacked.

The Glazers, INEOS and Ten Hag completely fecked up the last 4-5 years of recruitment.

 

[Raoul]

Should have hired Ranieri...

He's 73 and has managed 13 clubs in the past 20 years.

 

[Raoul]

You’ve been banging this drum for days now.

I agree, the results in the PL have been unacceptable and Amorim deserves to be criticized accordingly. But you should be able to see the nuance here.

The focus of ire for those who want Amorim sacked is the formation, but our biggest problem by far is a lack of talent, technical ability and athleticism. Combine that with some tactically challenged footballers (Hojlund, Garnacho) and we are in 15th…

The experienced 24 to 28 year olds have been lost (Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Mctominay).

For me, the blame of this season is partially on Amorim because he has chosen to stick to a system rather than grind out results in a compact 4-2-3-1 and landing somewhere around 10th.

But this is the worst squad, talent wise, we’ve had in living memory. We have one great player (Bruno), that’s it. The rest are barely internationals. I believe Mainoo, Amad and maybe Yoro could develop into good squad players, but the rest are either too old (Casemiro, Maguire) or have serious warts (Ugarte, Maguire, DeLigt, Onana, Lindelof, Dalot, Hojlund, Licha). This is at least 50% of the problem. And is that on Amorim?

I’d like to see a really good window with 5 to 7 good players and see what Amorim can do. He should have a short leash, say 12 PL games. If we are in 6th, continue with the project, if not, he should be sacked.

The Glazers, INEOS and Ten Hag completely fecked up the last 4-5 years of recruitment.

Ten Hag was definitely running the show in terms of transfers when he was here, which is why we wound up with such a glut of Dutch or former Dutch league type players. Predating SJR's ownership, Martinez, Antony, Onana, Malacia, Weghorst, Armrabat, and later Mazraoui, Zirkzee et al.

Corroborated by Ratcliffe at the very end here.

 

[croadyman]

Agreed. My suspicion is Amorim will steady the ship next year after injecting the squad with a few new players. Cunha in particular, could be a game changer next year.

How many players do you think he will get IF

We win Europa

Don't win Europa

 

[roseguy64]

And that’s Amorims fault how? He didn’t want to come mid season. So he can use that as an excuse. He wanted to start this upcoming season.

No he can't. No one forced him to do anything. He could have said no. He accepted the job so that is no longer valid.