Dunno why this tickled meRuben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Dunno why this tickled mePeople who expect wins against sides like Brentford with lineups like today are completely detached from reality.
1000 pages.
Does anyone also believes the part about when Amorim said about not being able to compete next season in Premier League and Champions League is lowering expectations and preparing us for more rollercoaster results?
Does anyone also believes the part about when Amorim said about not being able to compete next season in Premier League and Champions League is lowering expectations and preparing us for more rollercoaster results?
1000 pages on our manager who has been here 6 months, bloody hell.
He hasn’t been a complete disaster though, whether you want to admit that or not.
A complete disaster would have been doing this badly in the league and getting dumped out of Europe without any chance of silverware or CL qualification.
But that hasn’t happened, has it? Sure, our league performances and results have been disastrous, that’s only one part of the story. It’s still a big if, but if we win Europa, it’ll be seen as a a very important success, especially given how poorly we were doing in Europe under Ten Hag.
My feeling is that he'll be sacked regardless of the Europa League result. INEOS have already been burned once by allowing a cup victory to overshadow poor league form.
It has though, if you re-calculate the league table without including Ipswich, Leicester, Southampton, and their results we would be bottom
Just because you say that things are not gonna go smoothly early in the season, does not mean that you are allowed to finish 17th. The truth is somewhere in the middle. I do understand that there are mitigating factors for him not finishing in the top 4, as I also understand that it is super hard to build something where there are players that make individual errors or are simply not good enough to build a team around them, but I don't think that we should be behind Everton, or 2 points off West Ham.
Again, give him the players he wants, and let's see how he will fare next season.
Because, if what you say is true that the board does not consider this season a write-off, and he does not win EL, then he is gone in the summer. I'm quite positive that it won't happen and he will be here next season, even if he does not win the EL. We don't have a fully assembled team like Real Madrid, so we can chop and change managers until one wins PL or CL.
Why did you choose to omit the rest of my post?
Has our season been a complete disaster with regards to trying to qualify for the CL via Europe?
INEOS won't just not sack him after winning the Europa League and qualifying for next year's Champions League, they are more likely to double down by breaking the bank for him this summer.
They will look like incompetent fools if they back an underperforming manager only to sack him 8 weeks into the new season two years running.
Why are you so sure on this?
Our whole season has been a complete disaster, appointing Amorim in November was a horrendous decision
History seems to repeat itself
Makes sense when you consider he's had the worst start to a managerial career at the club in decades.
They already look like that TBF
They’ll also look like incompetent fools if Amorim wins the Europa league, they still sack him and bring someone else in, and then that new manager also struggles next season.
Overall, there are more numerous, and more likely, scenarios in which they look like fools than there are scenarios in which they look like geniuses. Such is the predicament our club is in.
Because it’s blatantly obvious perhaps? He’s not getting sacked even if he loses the EL, let alone winning it.
Because their own credibility is vested in Amorim's success, especially after botching the final months of ETH's tenure. Therefore if Amorim wins a major trophy and gets us into the CL, there's virtually zero chance they don't double down on Amorim this summer. If things work out then great. If they don't, they will at least have the leverage to say he was given the benefit of a proper summer window and full season to showcase what he's capable of.
He was handpicked by the CEO. Not a chance he goes.
Its not obvious at all, none of us know what INEOS are planning
Incorrect. Our European campaign, which is an important part of our season, has not been a complete disaster. Getting dumped out of Europa already would have been a complete disaster. As it is, we still have a chance of winning it and qualifying for the CL.
Do you think winning a cup and qualifying for the CL could be considered a partial success?
If we win the EL and Amorim gets sacked as a result, I’ll give you £1k.
I wish he had waited for Kerkez/Ait-Nouri at LWB
He would never be sacked as a result of winning EL, he could be in spite of winning though.
There's multiple reasons Amorim wouldn't get sacked if we win Europa and why it's different from Ten Hag last summer.
1. If the minimum target of the Manchester United manager is achieving CL football for the following season, we'll have qualified for CL next season. We ain't sacking a manager who's met their target. Winning the FA cup or league cup doesn't get you CL football so are less important trophies than Europa.
2. Ten Hag wasn't selected by the current regime so they had less loyalty to him, whereas the current regime's reputation rests on Amorim's long term success.
3. Ten Hag had 3 pre-seasons and 3 summer transfer windows to improve this team and made them worse, which is why he got sacked. Amorim hasn't had that.
4. Appointing a manager mid-season and then sacking him 6 months later would make the club look even more clueless than sticking with him as they'd have to admit their mistake, so there's a sunk cost fallacy at play here.
Frankly I think the current regime would stick by him even if we lost Europa final, but that's more debatable.
Sacking him after qualifying for CL would be complete madness.
Yeah I will admit that was a bit worrying to hear, however like others have said he did try to tell them he would rather wait until the summer. So the INEOS clowns thought I know let's give him an ultimatum.
He’d have no complaints but win or lose the Europa he will be our manager next season. It might not be for very long but there’s no chance he goes before.
I really dont think he’s good enough.
He’s been awful since taking over.
He’s been awful since taking over.
Couldn't have put it better myself.
If we don’t win the EL, and we finish 17th, how can we justify keeping him.
I can’t see us winning the EL if Spurs get to the final. We seem to be able to physically bully non EPL sides, but the opposite happens in the league. Spurs would beat us comfortably imo.
I can’t see us winning the EL if Spurs get to the final. We seem to be able to physically bully non EPL sides, but the opposite happens in the league. Spurs would beat us comfortably imo.
True, but Liverpool wanted continuity and they have footballing people running the club who realize the huge gamble that is changing playing system, hence limited interest in Amorim.
I'm losing patience now, he's been utterly abysmal. A Europa win will not paper over the cracks of an awful season. Simply dreadful for a team that claims to be one of the biggest clubs in the world.
And that’s Amorims fault how? He didn’t want to come mid season. So he can use that as an excuse. He wanted to start this upcoming season.
Spurs have a far longer history of massively choking anytime they get near winning a cup than we have of being beaten by Spurs. So much so it wouldn’t surprise me if they choked away against Bodo GIimt.
It’s the bad football version of the irresistible force v the unmovable object.
The guy isn’t getting sacked - whether we win the Europa or not. I think everyone’s been pretty clear on that, even SJR.
Amorim will get backed by the club in the transfer window, come hell or high water. This team desperately needs a good striker and if we had one our league position would be way different to what it is right now.
We have a bunch of deadwood in the squad that need to be sold off as well.
Give him the tools in the summer and we'll get the results come next season.
He's going nowhere and I want him to continue because I can see there's going to be success in future if we invest wisely. This is a bigger rebuild than what has gone before so patience is needed but I also understand this is in short supply when it comes to this fanbase.
We have a bunch of deadwood in the squad that need to be sold off as well.
Give him the tools in the summer and we'll get the results come next season.
He's going nowhere and I want him to continue because I can see there's going to be success in future if we invest wisely. This is a bigger rebuild than what has gone before so patience is needed but I also understand this is in short supply when it comes to this fanbase.
Err well he is the manager, picks the team and decides the tactics. It really is on him. His tactical stubbornness is killing us imho.
Eh? “Papering over the cracks” seems like the most apt description possible, given the fact that winning the Europe League is a positive that won’t magically fix the underlying issues with our team and squad.
I heard it was United's youngest ever starting XI in the Premier League today (third overall).