Yeah that's very true
Matheus Cunha | Deal close with United (Sky Sports)
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Naa, this is probably agent-led.
He’s not the player Arsenal need. They need a striker. I think he would be a good player for them, but not the huge potential improvement they would get by buying a proper striker.
I don’t think they would see him as a priority signing, and if the player wants things done quickly, I think United is a far more likely destination.
Apparently we want it done before Wolves last game so he can get the farewell from their fans
i want all teh deals done by mid june so everything is in place and the only concern left would be maybe a late purchase if we sell someone and have space to add a player
He’ll get a huge farewell anyway, we know he’s leaving, he’s been colossus for us this season, practically saved us on his own at times, even with his silly behaviour at times.
Unfortunately I’ll miss his last game as I’m on holiday
He was awful today for your info, one of his walking around the pitch waiting for something to happen days, oh and he gave away a penalty.
it's done, he smiled
Man who is well known for smiling smiled. It's on!
I’m going to choose to ignore today’s performance, thank you.
Clearly his mind is in Manchester
Let’s call it 55m then?
Still not sure about this guy.
Same.
Sounds perfect for utd then.
That's more what we expect from a post Fergie United signing
I actually said his head is probably somewhere else now, we are safe and it’s job done for him, onto the next chapter
Hasnt signed for us yet but already showing the traits
Just wanted United to finish above Wolves to get more money next season.
Must be a Masochist.
it's done, he smiled
Imagine having to be friendly to dickheads like this.
What is it you need convincing on?
He's not the only player in the league with nothing to play for who isn't exactly looking their best now, happens every year around this time.
Yeah I am taking no notice of today's game
Consistency. £62m is a massive amount of money to spend. You really need a special player who will deliver effectively and frequently for that kind of outlay.
The way he plays, in the realm of the middle shooters, (such as: Lampard, Gerrard, De Bruyne, Coutinho, Scholes etc. etc. ) it needs to be an actual skill you can bet the house on, rather than a fortuitous period of time/form. Basically a run-on of outperforming xG by miles like bona fide middle shooters do - the players mentioned above were absolutely lethal from anywhere inside that middle shooting range and it was intrinsic to their respective game that they could get the opposition scrambling to close them down because their threat of shooting from distance was infamous.
Is Cunha the same, or is it something that might dip with him? I don't know the answer to that, but that's probably because I haven't watched him enough to make up my mind either way. I just know that at £62m, we cannot afford to feck up again.
The other thing is his character. My feeling is he either comes here and turns into a superstar or a petulant nightmare, but "character" and Manchester United is a quirky thing as we're renowned for having oddball characters who came here and turned into legendary players, so I'm not as worried about that as I am on whether he's the real deal or not with his threat.
I don't know if I've just become immune to the shock of large transfer fees - given how much we spent on Antony, Sancho, Hojlund, Maguire - even Mount, AWB, Fred etc. - £62m doesn't even feel like that big a fee any more, which is probably just a reflection of our poor transfer record than it is a reflection of reality.
But I do think this is one of the "safest" big signings we've made in a while. He's scored double figures for league goals, in the premier league, two seasons in a row, for a bottom half side. Two seasons in a row is very unlikely to be a fluke or "fortuitous", and the output we've seen at Wolves should be the minimum return we expect to get out of him, which is a big improvement on our attacking players at the moment. We know he's a good ball carrier who has skills and wins free kicks, don't see why that would change here. We know he can compete physically in this league, no reason for that to change here.
My gut feeling is he's one of those players who can establish themselves as one of the best attackers in the league if given the chance to play for a top team, maybe Mane at Southampton is a comparison although I do accept we'd do very well if he became as good as Mane. Also have to concede we're not a top team either to be fair.
I often read this thread without saying anything because I guess if you really want to get a feel for the player, you'll make the effort to watch him and his games until your curiosity is at least satisfied and I've not done that.
Suffice it to say middle shooting is one of those extremely rare attributes that a player becomes something to take notice of if they can nonchalantly bang them in consistently from 20+ yards out. Coutinho got one of the biggest transfers of all time off the back of it, for example; it made players like Bale and C.Ronaldo absolutely frightening miles away from goal and enhances the repertoire of the aforementioned in the previous post and made them so much more expansive. An example of a player that had it in spades and has seemingly lost it since would be our Bruno, who, for the first two seasons (ties into your point with Cunha) here he could absolutely be bracketed as one of the foremost middle shooters in the game, as everything he lined up back then was either going into the net or working the keeper enough that the forwards knew to follow in on his shots for potential tap-ins.
I'm honing in on the middle shooting because I think it's an attribute that is worth a fortune and if he has it, it means his threat and lethality remains extremely high even if he's strolling around the pitch not looking particularly interested or threatening. The rest of his game looks tidy - another reason I haven't posted in here is I can see why he has the price tag he does - you've listed the positive attributes he has; he's not just a solid middle shooter, so it is pretty reasoned logic to think the rest of his game is transferable and that he has it in him to be a potential star.
Mane at Southampton to what he went on to become is a huge call... at the same time, if he's as true technically as he has looked, it's about his own desire and ambition as to how far he can take his game. You used the word safest, and I really hope you'd be right with that because it's absolutely what we need from him; to be a solid, dependable and consistent threat to the point oppo fear what he brings to the table. That would be transformative.
I hope it is paper made bullshit and there is no truth to it. I don't see him being a success here. Not for me.
Worth about 40M.
I am really struggling to understand this deal. We're well stocked with no 10s. We haven't got rid of Rashford and Sancho yet, our best player is a no 10, our best young players are probably no 10s as well (Amad, Garnacho and Mainoo) + Mount is showing some encouraging signs. Do we really need to spend 62m+ on Cunha? It's not like we've got a huge budget to spend.
There again the club might know things that we don't. Maybe there's already transfers agreed for Rashford and Garnacho or/and we're aiming to sell Bruno as well.
There again the club might know things that we don't. Maybe there's already transfers agreed for Rashford and Garnacho or/and we're aiming to sell Bruno as well.
We can’t sit around and wait for outgoing to be finalised. Rashford, and Sancho are as good as gone. That’s an entirely moot argument.
I hope the club know a lot more than we do.
Cunha has goals in him, which we are seriously lacking. As much as I love Amed, his injury record is patchy, so we do need reinforcements.
Are you advocating we wait until we've sold Rashford and Sancho before signing him? This would run the risk of him going elsewhere and getting less time to train with the squad if those transfers weren't concluded quickly. The club has clearly made a decision that neither Rashford and Sancho are returning and attempting to do what fans have been begging for years which is have our transfer plans organised and wrapped up as quickly as possible.
Mount has barely kicked a ball in 2 years due to injury, it'll be great if he can get fit and contribute but making him a key part of our plans going forward hoping he stays fit would be sheer negligence.
I disagree that Mainoo is a 10 but that's another debate. Garnacho simply isn't good enough to be starting, maybe he can develop into someone who is but his productivity is miles off good enough.
If we go into next season with Cunha/Delap/Amad as a front line with Mount/Garnacho/Zirkzee as options along with the possibility of playing Bruno/Mainoo here if needs must we'd be a much better team than this season.
Think he’s speaking purely from a budget/PSR perspective re Rashford and Sancho. I am not at all sold on Cunha but even if I were it’s clear to see we have more pressing needs. The spine of the team is weak from front to back and we don’t have an unlimited budget. £60m+ on a 26 year old who may or may not be in the midst of a purple patch seems like an unnecessary risk in our current situation.
Rashford and Sancho will not be here next season no matter what.
Saving himself for next season. Good lad.
Hopefully La Arse sign him. Guys not consistent and doesn’t really have a wonderful work ethic. Then how easy he is to wind up on the pitch. Would be a decent signing, but just see him as a must buy at the fee involved.
The question you have to ask is what is he as a player now that makes him worth more than that, that he wasn't then? Very often clubs fall into the trap of paying for what players have done at the selling club rather than seriously asking what he will provide for them.
Even accounting for the fact that Cunha has probably seen half of his best physical years left at Wolves, we'll be paying him a lot more than they are and he'll very likely have no resale value; has he improved enough as a player since then that probably 2/3rds of the remaining product is worth a third more than the whole?
The easy answer is 'that's what we have to pay to get him', I suppose. But there is definitely a question of if we really should.