What now?

The ownership is terrible - the Glazers are sucking the life out of the club and Ineos coming in just helped them keep hold of it. They all need to go. There’s just no way to move on happily with those people running and gutting the club.

Amorim is stubborn as well, if your team is shite at scoring goals and gives up silly goals for everyone the first thing you do is try to organize your back so that it doesn’t leak goals. And then set up a counter attacking system that hopefully gets you some goals. His stubborness in his “style” killed this season completely.

We need a refresh button badly, I don’t see it happening though. The value of these players is nowhere near what it should be and their contracts are too big for anybody to take them off out hands. The ownership is horrible and quality players will need to accept no European football as well as less money than they can get elsewhere. Hopefully I’m wrong but I just don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel.
 
mustaine said:
The ownership is terrible - the Glazers are sucking the life out of the club and Ineos coming in just helped them keep hold of it. They all need to go. There’s just no way to move on happily with those people running and gutting the club.

Amorim is stubborn as well, if your team is shite at scoring goals and gives up silly goals for everyone the first thing you do is try to organize your back so that it doesn’t leak goals. And then set up a counter attacking system that hopefully gets you some goals. His stubborness in his “style” killed this season completely.

We need a refresh button badly, I don’t see it happening though. The value of these players is nowhere near what it should be and their contracts are too big for anybody to take them off out hands. The ownership is horrible and quality players will need to accept no European football as well as less money than they can have elsewhere. Hopefully I’m wrong but I just don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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The Glazers were slowly sucking money out of the club, but since INEOS have come in they've ripped the entire soul out of it.
 
Someone said:
I don't see a way forward without the club getting sold.

We're truly where we deserve as a team. Our position in table reflects our performances perfectly. Can't really blame this on luck or injuries.

We have a lot of potentially good players, but they won't flourish in this environment. They need top players around them. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the likes for Yoro, Garnacho and Amad start regressing next season.

Some people like to think that spending isn't the answer to our current problem, just because we fecked up signing poor players in the past for a lot of money, but the reality is that all the top clubs outspend those around them, we just did it poorly.

We simply need owners who are willing to invest. If the current leadership accepts that a push for top 10 next season is progress, then we'll remain where we are for the foreseeable future. If we try signing a good player here and there we won't move forward.
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Great post. It's easy to cull players but there is little point in doing so if we replace them with new batch of utter dross. The club needs gutting and what better way to start than getting rid of the ones most responsible to this mess in the first place.

Only the mother of all reboots will make us competitive again.
 
Relegation is basically the next step.

A proposition that might seem laughable but when you actually factor in our form since Amorim took over and with a better group of promoted sides for next season it suddenly becomes a bit eye opening.
 
I want Mourinho back. Feck all these hipster Managers. Give me a real Manger with pedigree. Jose wouldn't have lost this tonight.
 
There is no bright side.

No money, absolutely useless players (well, like 92% of them), coach that's out of his depth and can't handle the shitstorm. I'd be more optimistic if I was lying on a mine on top of some mountain. It's joeover, relegation battles from now on. Even if club got good owners tonight it'd take years to rebuild.
 
The long and short of it in my opinion is we need a manager that is goi g to play a decent system and get the best out of these players. At times there are sparks of good play. Focus on those.
 
Ludens the Red said:
Relegation is basically the next step.

A proposition that might seem laughable but when you actually factor in our form since Amorim took over and with a better group of promoted sides for next season it suddenly becomes a bit eye opening.
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We won't get relegated any time soon and next season won't be this bad, I'm positive on this; but God forbid along the way we get too comfortable being a mid-table side. All it takes is a season like this again.
 
diarm said:
You do though. Sides like Newcastle, Forest, Brighton and Bournemouth have all done it.

We’re not building a side to win the league this summer. We are building a squad that can get us from 16 or 17th to 6th or 7th. We should be targeting players who can help us to do that, but who also have the potential to reach a higher level in the following years.

We should be looking to cut the egos and huge wages. We need a humble and hungry squad who are all bought into improving as players and a football team.

Once we’ve got back to that level and have a team with some momentum behind it, we can look at adding the top level quality to compete then.
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Exactly, too many people want us to run before we can walk. It’s a slow process and we need to start looking at cheaper, younger options. Signing Cunha for £62.5m already looks like a stupid signing. Surely that takes over half the available budget now we lost the final tonight?

The club never seems to learn. I’d be all over free transfers this summer, especially someone like J David. We have to get smart in the transfer market but we’re still not doing it. We still don’t have a DOF. A non-footballing decision maker was allowed to choose our manager which has been a total disaster yet again. All the wrong people making the big decisions. It’s no different to Woodward, Arnold and Murtough. Where is the best in class at that level? I want people like Van Der Sar in these positions. People that know the club and have contacts in the game.
 
Todd said:
Now, we get ready to be a mid-table club for a pretty long time.

We will not be back into the top four this decade, mark my words.
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We’ve got some top players, I wouldn’t fear the absolute worst. Tonight was shocking but if we can address the lack of goalscoring ability we should do a lot better

Cunha would be a start
 
Ludens the Red said:
Relegation is basically the next step.

A proposition that might seem laughable but when you actually factor in our form since Amorim took over and with a better group of promoted sides for next season it suddenly becomes a bit eye opening.
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Surely he gets sacked well before that happens. I like Amorim but if we're on course for relegation a few months into the season he just has to go.

I hope we buy well in the summer and we go again. It's going to take a while, especially with how young the squad is and how much reinvestment/improvement is needed.
 
flameinthesun said:
Why won't it change a thing? We seem to be the only club where sacking the manager apparently "won't change a thing". Its not a binary option between sacking a manager and getting rid of players. You can have both a poor squad and a poor manager. You maintain standards for both and get rid when they don't meet them. Amorim has fallen way below even the low standards of fans who are okay with us finishing this low, so get rid and move on.
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Have you not paid attention over the past 4-5 years? Until we take the Rangnick advice, we’ll never get it together. Sure there might be false dawns but this lot will always regress to the mean.
 
Just don’t be fooled into thinking it can’t get any worse.

Fall into that trap every season, yet United finds a way. To finish just above the relegation zone, and to lose to Spurs in the Europa League final, exceeds our worst-case predictions and then some.
 
forevrared said:
The only possible silver lining we can hope for is that the financial struggle we are about to endure forces the Glazers out. If INEOS go too, we can’t be unhappy. They’ve ripped the soul out of the club without making it better in the slightest.
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This is what annoys me the most. Leaving staff fearing for their jobs, treating those that are left like an afterthought, completely ignoring the success of the women's team. And for what? What's better?

Yes, yes, the Glazers have completely ruined us financially but can anyone name one thing that's better under Ineos? They're both just plain old shit.

The only consolation this season is that we didn't get relegated. We were incredibly lucky that the three teams to drop down this season were all absolutely abysmal.
 
The world is getting meaner and more selfish. United suck and have no real hopes of turning it around any time soon. My Dallas Cowboys suck and have no real hopes of turning it around any time soon. My Vancouver Canucks also suck and have no hope of turning it around soon. Sports gives me no escape or happiness
 
One thing is clear, we need to sell players to buy. The Players out on loan to go first.
Rashford
Anthony
Sancho
Malacia.

£120 mil there?

Hojlund
Onana
Lindelof
Mount
Casamiro (if he will go)

Bruno, if the Saudis offer £100m id take it.
 
Redstain said:
De Zerbi, Thomas Frank or Areola.
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Think we already have enough tits around the place to be honest.
Can't see him going, but we need massive surgery and the surgeon just lost a patient on the table (to the equivalent of an ingrowing toenail). Makes it hard to trust him now.
 
Kopral Jono said:
We won't get relegated any time soon and next season won't be this bad, I'm positive on this; but God forbid along the way we get too comfortable being a mid-table side. All it takes is a season like this again.
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I don’t think we will but we will be very close to it. All the metrics, projection etc says that’s where the club is heading towards.

“Next season won’t be this bad” lets be fair; we heard that after the post carabao cup win in 2023. We then heard it after the end of last season. We then heard it when Amorim came in: there always seem to be this automatic assumption that a pre season and signings will improve things.

I think what people forget is that other clubs don’t just do nothing and wait for United to play catch up. Every other team is looking to and goes to improve. Everyone else will be strengthening.
United spent what 200 mill last summer ? To finish eight/nine places lower.
There’s simply nothing to base next season getting better on imo. And actually the logical projection is that it gets worse.


Thom Merrilin said:
Surely he gets sacked well before that happens. I like Amorim but if we're on course for relegation a few months into the season he just has to go.

I hope we buy well in the summer and we go again. It's going to take a while, especially with how young the squad is and how much reinvestment/improvement is needed.
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Yeah I suspect he’ll have us in the relegation zone quite early in the season and then be sacked. New man will then keep us up.
 
The club has paid huge money for crap players for more than 10 years, and this low point is the culmination of that. Ineos's team has gotten a lot wrong, but I actually have a bit a patience with them as they at least seem to half way know what they are doing in the transfer market. Yoro, De Ligt, Ugarte, Dorgu, Mazrouai, and Zirkzee have all been decent. It took some courage to loan out Rashford, Antony, and Sancho. It was the right decision as they were consistently crap for long stretches, and we had to pull the bandaid off. I suspect we'll see some rewards from that in the summer with sales.

I do worry about our finances, and suspect that if we want to rebuild, we are going to have to sell a big player or two this summer in addition to the ones who were already on loan. But I also think we should support this project with Amorim under Ineos as, in any case, it's the only realistic game in town. Sacking Amorim and starting over would set us back massively as the summer transfer windo would pass us by with no realistic plan in place. Better to stick with the plan for another season and see where it leads. If we are this shit still come Christmas, he'll be rightly sacked.
 
I think its already been burnt down, multiple times. There isn't much left to burn down. We need to build something for a change
 
Talk up a fancy new stadium in the media and speculate about all new signings this summer many of whom will have zero interest joining this mess of a club.
 
It will be years of mid table from here. The financial position is a disaster.
 
forevrared said:
The only possible silver lining we can hope for is that the financial struggle we are about to endure forces the Glazers out. If INEOS go too, we can’t be unhappy. They’ve ripped the soul out of the club without making it better in the slightest.
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The soul of the club was gone before INEOS arrived. Glazers have been slowly killing the club for decades.

This has been budgeted for so it won’t be a catastrophe, money will be spent in players but if recruitment isn’t better we are in big trouble.
 
In an ideal world new owners, no debt and a true fresh start. In reality, gear up for overpaid 14th place finishes.

This summer will tell a lot, I have little faith the necessary changes will happen. Past performance in France, keeping Ten Hag and the fact that we have gone so long with so many underperforming parts playing such prominent roles gives me minimal faith in INEOS taking us in the right direction.
 
The ownership of the club is the problem, simple as and end of. Nothing changes until these sniveling shitbags are sent back to their dungeon so that they can count their money hour after hour until their last breath.
 
atkar83 said:
The world is getting meaner and more selfish. United suck and have no real hopes of turning it around any time soon. My Dallas Cowboys suck and have no real hopes of turning it around any time soon. My Vancouver Canucks also suck and have no hope of turning it around soon. Sports gives me no escape or happiness
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At least my Edinburgh City did decently this season.
 
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