Does that top the list for worst defeat you can remember?

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Considering the clubs situation before the game, the opposition and the consequences a loss brings to to the club, then I’d say yes it’s up there amongst the heaviest defeats we’ve had.

We’ve suffered losses in numerous finals over the years. Twice to the same club in CL but we can all agree the opposition was on another level.

Losing to Villareal in EL, 2021 final doesn’t feel as bad either. Opposition being Spanish and not a non-performing rival from north London.

Some FA-cup defeats have been painful but last night trumps all those imo.

Anyone come up with a worse defeat?

P.S. The one I remember and it wasn't a final - getting knocked out of the European Cup 1966, 2nd leg semi-final Partizan Belgrade by only winning 1-0 at OT and losing on aggregate. I was there and it was agony!
 
Oh it's the worst. The lack of ideas against an equally depressingly tragic opponent, missing their best players, on the biggest stage.

We've shown not a single green shoot since he arrived, I can't wait for us to roll into next season with him and write it off within 2 months
 
It's definitley up there. I think its the worst final defeat in my lifetime.

The FA Cup Final loss to Arsenal in 2005 was pretty bad (because we totally dominated) and the 2007 FA Cup Final to Chelsea (because I was there) - but they're nowhere near the abject level of last night.

In terms of other losses, There's obviously losing to City 6-1 and Liverpool 5-0/7-0 ... but there a bit different because they become a bit comical after a while (well the Liverpool ones did).

Actually the one that might top the whole league for me isn't even a loss, it's the 4-4 draw to Everton, I was absolutely furious that day.
 
The 90 minutes flew by. Like the match was over before we could even get on the pitch.
 
They didn't even need to take a shot to win the game. They didn't do anything to seal the game and barely had to defend their lead.

Said many times before the game starting Hojlund would help us concede the game so it was just so disheartening to see such an obvious void in such a vital position for such a long period of the game.

Our manager had no desire to go and win the game until way too late against a team there for the taking. I'd rather lose trying to go for it than lose in such a limp, heartless fashion. I have minimal faith in our owners and our manager speaks well but not sure I can trust his judgement.
 
1-0 away at Man City in 2012 was pretty depressing. Gave them the upper hand going into the last 2 games of the season after we'd been leading comfortably. Though there was still some hope at the time that they might blow it, as they had a strong Newcastle away in the next game.

There is no hope with this defeat however. And it's even worse that we still have another game to go.
 
That or Pool beating us 0-5 at OT when they played 45mins like a training game.
Probably Seville under Jose was my No1 until last night.
 
Considering the clubs situation before the game, the opposition and the consequences a loss brings to to the club, then I’d say yes it’s up there amongst the heaviest defeats we’ve had.

We’ve suffered losses in numerous finals over the years. Twice to the same club in CL but we can all agree the opposition was on another level.

Losing to Villareal in EL, 2021 final doesn’t feel as bad either. Opposition being Spanish and not a non-performing rival from north London.

Some FA-cup defeats have been painful but last night trumps all those imo.

Anyone come up with a worse defeat?

P.S. The one I remember and it wasn't a final - getting knocked out of the European Cup 1966, 2nd leg semi-final Partizan Belgrade by only winning 1-0 at OT and losing on aggregate. I was there and it was agony!
By some distance, yes, coming from someone who has followed this football club for three decades plus. As mentioned already what makes last night comfortably the worst for me is a combination of factors -- with two big ones being the most apparent: 1) the deep financial ramifications of a loss and 2) what a loss potentially does to the morale and self-belief of everyone involved in the club. On my latter point all of a sudden a massive cast hangs over Amorim's plans and rebuild; all of a sudden there are talks of us needing to sell Bruno to raise money, our best player by a comfortable margin.

This is uncharted territory and it's terrifying. It's been twelve hours and I'm still absolutely distraught.
 
An absolutely shambolic performance from all staff (this includes players) related to the match day/pitch side parts of the game. I've been up since 03:30am tossing and turning thinking about the game, and I still can't wrap my head around it. I would have preferred to lose the game 3-0 than to lose how we did. It's utterly disgraceful from everyone involved, all of them need to have a look at themselves.

Onana: Another calamitous performance and of course at fault for the goal. Anyone that's defending him and claiming that 'he couldn't have got to it' seriously needs to give their head a wobble. It was yet another horrendous performance from the keeper that cost us £55m, while his replacement plays in a UCL final in next week.

Mazra: Zero impact, did nothing of any significance. Failed to link with Amad or any of the right hand sided players at all. Complete non entity.

Yoro: Played well. One of the few that can hold his head high this morning.

Maguire: Partially at fault for their goal. Done well to silence Solanke, but that's not exactly a difficult task is it. Solanke is a wealthier mans Hojlund.

Shaw: Get out of this club now. I cannot stand the sight of this waste of space. He's been at the club for a decade and has spent half of that time on the physios bench. He's a calamity waiting to happen. He gave the pen away in the Lyon game and in this game he gifts Spurs the winner. I want this roach out of the club as a priority.

Dorgu: He put in effort, he attempted to work the left hand side as much as possible but unfortunately, due to a shocking team selection from Ruben, he had absolutely no assistance from Mount. Dorgu get's a let off, in the same vain as Yoro.

Casemiro: Looked leggy (as he has done for large parts of the season) and didn't offer that much. He held his own against an opposing physical midfield 3, but nothing spectacular. We needed his experience and courage last night and it wasn't there.

Bruno: Absolutely and categorically shocking performance, but this is not solely on him. He is not a centre mid. In no way, shape or form, is Bruno Fernandes a CM. He is an attacking midfielder, so a 10 or an 8. Amorim's decision to put Bruno in the middle of the park next to a leggy Casemiro, against a physical Spurs side is quite frankly mind boggling. Bruno gave away so many passes last night, more than usual, and finished the night with 69% pass completion ratio. That is absolutely shambolic. He was also as fault for their goal as he gave the ball away due to the presence of Spurs midfield trio. I'll say it again, he is not a CM. So this performance is down to Ruben, again.

Amad: He was direct in parts of the game, but also so lacklustre in many other parts of the game. Tries too much sometimes, and he needs to learn (or be coached) that sometimes the best option is to just get the ball into the f*cking box. Stop with the constant feints/dummies/stutter steps. Get the ball across the 6yrd box. It opens up so many more opportunities for a goal, whether it's a tap in, a fumble into the box, an own goal, deflection, ANYTHING. There was a point where he was charging toward the box, got into the box, and then just stood with the ball at his feet dillydallying around, turns around and passes the ball BACK out of the box. This is ineffective and useless. No danger whatsoever.

Mount: Absolutely shambolic. Another cardio session for #7 (lmao) with zero impact whatsoever. This is his fault as well as Ruben's as he shouldn't have started the match full stop.

Hojlund: Do I need to bother with a write up for this man? I truly believe that he'd struggle to get into the Oldham Athletic first XI.

SUBS: They had little to no time to impact the game due to Ruben's incompetence so I won't waste time writing up on their performances. The game was screaming for control up top and on the wings, and that was seen quite literally with Zirkzee's first touch, which opened up Garna and the overlap of Dorgu.

RUBEN AMORIM: I don't really know where to start if I'm honest.
  • Team selection right off the bat was abysmal. I understand that he can only piss with the cock he's been given, but starting Bruno as a CM against any form of Spurs midfield is completely mind boggling and I am still struggling to understand what he thought this would achieve. Starting Mount as the L10 is another bizarre decision. The guy is perpetually injured, and you start him in our (and YOUR) biggest game of the season (your biggest game of your career) and as expected, he offered nothing. Starting Shaw at LCB is again bizarre, another favourite of the physios room, starting in the biggest game of the season.
  • Game plan and approach: Absolutely shocking. He seemed to veer away from his desire to find the overlapping wingback and instead focused on long balls into our smallest man on the pitch (Amad). The entire first half was littered with this, there were little to no attempts to play down the wings (quite literally what the system is designed for) and instead focused on a possession heavy trap which is meant to lure the opposition into the press and then open up one side of the pitch. He didn't do this once, if at all, something that we should've looked to achieve when it was 0-0. Instead he opted for long balls into our physically weak forwards, with no one in front to receive the lay-off or one-two. Complete disaster class from him in this aspect.
  • Substitutions (or lack of): This was one of my biggest gripes with Ruben last night. We are 1-0 down in a European final, with a poor first half under our belts to go with it. Why on earth did he wait until the 72ND minute to change it? It's catastrophic in game management. The game was screaming for Garna/Zirk to enable the link-up and help with the overlapping and overloading of the wings, yet he chose to wait until the 72nd minute to implement this. It's absolutely shocking. With every second that ticked by, was a second that we would not get back to allow the subs to impact the game, and this was a massive detriment to us. Immediately with Garna and Zirk on the pitch, with Zirk's first touch, he links up with the midfield and they send Garna off down the wing for a good passage of attacking football. If they would've been brought on earlier we could've started with this earlier, and continued to push toward a goal. He left it so late there was no time to make an actual impact. I cannot overstate it anymore than I already have about how poor this is from Amorim. Ange had 11 white shirts behind the ball, defending a shithouse goal, they weren't even looking to counter, all we had to do was throw the kitchen sink at it, but Ruben decided to be pragmatic. The fact we still had 5 defenders on the pitch well into the 80min mark is also baffling.
Overall, I'm devastated that we lost the game in the manner that we did. Spurs didn't win the game, we lost it, and the fault of course lies with the incompetent players (but we know they're poor) but mainly with Ruben. He allowed himself to be outcoached by, lets be frank here, the worst coach in the Premier League currently, and it's not good enough.

One positive I'm taking away from it is that these cnut players are not getting their UCL bonuses next season and I'm overjoyed. They do not deserve it. The fans do. They don't.
 
The 2005 cup final was my previous lowest moment. The general atmosphere after the Glazers takeover was so grim.

Full-time last night felt much worse.
 
Yes. The manner of the defeat and within the context of the season makes it the lowest point in my almost 40 years supporting the club.

In previous seasons we've been bad, but there was always a sense we at least had some quality in the team, but we were let down by some rotten apples or poor management. There was always hope we could get back in the CL the following season.

But now it just feels like this is our actual level, rather than a poor run of form or players giving up. The players are trying, but they're not particularly good, and the coaching is terrible. Add the fact we're financially in the shitter and it paints a really gloomy picture of where we are.

Last night was really grim. Spurs were dogshit but we still lost. And not because of a bad day at the office, or bad luck, but because that's a reflection of our quality as a team. It's in the gutter and I don't see anything significantly improving anytime soon. The majority of the fanbase learn nothing and still want to see us repeat past mistakes of building an entirely new team for a manager who has a win rate of 39%. We've become a meme club quite frankly
 
Worse for me. Losing to a shit Spurs team while looking completely bereft of ideas in such an important game...Yes.
 
No, definitely not the worst for me, but it’s a big blow. We really needed to win last night. It was also the worst final of any competition I’ve ever seen. Two rotten sides.
 
Getting pumped by Liverpool was definitely worse.
Yes that was bad. Really bad! I thought that would sit in my mind up to the day I'd be pushing up the roses. Surprisingly it doesn't bother me as much any longer. However last night with so much hanging on the game and the fact we played against such a weak team, who I thought were in a worse situation than us, got out of jail, saved their season and can now look ahead to CL football. Whilst we're left with feck all!
 
I remember losing the FA Cup Final to Southampton in the 70s...that was thoroughly depressing. This one stings but I'm more concerned about the future.
 
Yes that was bad. Really bad! I thought that would sit in my mind up to the day I'd be pushing up the roses. Surprisingly it doesn't bother me as much any longer. However last night with so much hanging on the game and the fact we played against such a weak team, who I thought were in a worse situation than us, got out of jail, saved their season and can now look ahead to CL football. Whilst we're left with feck all!

I reckon I'll forget last night a lot easier/quicker than the Liverpool humiliation. I'm sure it's a lot more damaging to the balance sheet of the club but financial issues don't cause me half as much pain as what happens on the pitch.
 
I think if I genuinely believed the future would be much better if we won last night then maybe but I presumed we were going to be shite for the next few years regardless. Plus we didn't deserve anything from that game or from this season so it was one of the more depressing but plenty of others have felt worse even if the performances and the state of the team were nowhere near as dire.
 
7-0 was more embarrassing but you could’ve still try to gaslight yourself it was a fluke and just a blip

There’s no pretending now - we are fecking shit and lost the most important game in club’s last decade
 
Worst for me (been watching since 1996) - but not because we lost - it was the way we played with no fight.
 
It's definitley up there. I think its the worst final defeat in my lifetime.

The FA Cup Final loss to Arsenal in 2005 was pretty bad (because we totally dominated) and the 2007 FA Cup Final to Chelsea (because I was there) - but they're nowhere near the abject level of last night.

In terms of other losses, There's obviously losing to City 6-1 and Liverpool 5-0/7-0 ... but there a bit different because they become a bit comical after a while (well the Liverpool ones did).

Actually the one that might top the whole league for me isn't even a loss, it's the 4-4 draw to Everton, I was absolutely furious that day.
In terms of matches that made me furious, the 4-4 is the one. The domino effect.

The only other time I've felt that angry during and after a football match is when I hated Barcelona, which I still do, and it was actually the Drogba it's a disgrace game.

Maybe I can add QPRs pathetic capitulation. But I'm not thinking any more about that than necessary or I'll ruin my day.
 
In terms of the level of effort (or lack thereof) put in such an important game and the negative consequence to the club, this has to be at the top no questions asked.

I don't think even a relegation would make me feel this bad, though I'm certainly not interested in finding that out for myself.
 
I had no expectations from this team considering our season so it doesn’t sting as much but as far as a cup final performance goes, I don’t think I’ve seen anything worse than this.
 
Not sure a cup final defeat can ever be the worst. Let alone a narrow fluke single goal loss against an equally appalling team.

Some of the absolute thrashings we've had in recent years have been way worse.
 
The two Liverpool hammerings were worse for me, I've been numbed by how terrible we are since then. I'm surprised at how little I felt last night or even now.
 
amorim fecked the subs up for sure, way too late when it was obvious needed changing earlier.

But man thinking of it as well just shows how gutless most of these fecks are in the squad. Absolutely no urgency. Played like it was the first leg away to spurs and were just ho hum oh well we still have the second leg at home to turn things around oh well dee de deee.
 
Yeah this is the worst. It has knocked all the hope and optimism out of me. I couldn’t care less about summer plans now.

It’s my lowest moment as a fan by a distance.
 
It's the worst for me personally, because so much was on the line and we were so poor.
When we were a competitive side against Barca to get to finals, they were just too good. Arsenal FA Cup final was frustrating because we outplayed them. Even blowing league to City, we let the title slip but we were competitive team in general. That was a different era of Man United, we always came back strong because they had a winning mentality and didn't give up.

This loser era had poor losses to City, Liverpool and even mid table dross like Bournemouth. Villarreal final was a poor performance, we lost to a poor side but we had CL football. We have progressively got worse since, the mentality is on the floor. This team are lucky because they would have been relegated in another season. We got beat by a poor Spurs side who were missing important players, who got a lucky goal and sat in. We didn't even test them, didn't deserve to win. You can accept being beat by a team that were good, not like it but accept it. That's why this is the worst, they didn't even have to be good. It really says more about us. United are setback years from last night, financially and players we can currently attract. We will eventually come back because of the size of the club, you are realistically chatting a decade though, maybe more.
 
I think it is for me. The City 2-0 and Liverpool 5-0 were bad too, but the stakes in those games weren't nearly as high apart from the rivalry aspect, and honestly I expected them to outclass us anyways.

This was far different. Stakes were as high as they've ever been given our financial situation, season as a whole, and just simply winning a European cup. Factor in that it was against another shit team in Spurs, who were without some of their best players, and everything was aligned for us to make yesterday the start of some real progress. Instead I watched as Spurs set out with a Dyche Burnley level gameplan of just daring any of our players to hurt them and fielding a side they knew would outduel us while counting on us eventually gifting them a goal (which we did). It was 90 minutes of ineptitude and frankly a joke along with being as damaging of a loss as we've had in a decade.
 
I'm so deflated and pessimistic about United at the moment, that this doesn't really feel like a gut punch. Expectations were already in the toilet. I was much more devastated by Madrid knocking us out of the CL in 12/13, Man City beating us 6-1 at home, or how we lost the title in 11/12.
 
Under a new manager who is on a disastrous run and the terrible league position, but they had a chance to make amends against a side that doesn't do well in finals, that is objectively worst!

And they blew it, feels like being cut adrift at sea.
 
Yeah it’s probably the worst, not just for the horror-show match itself and missing out on the trophy to Spurs, but for the wider implications for what it means for our transfer window and our general stature in the game, which is crumbling let’s face it.