£40 million for Wes Sneijder?

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An interesting article in the MEN yesterday (which may have already been posted), but the content and subsequent commentary by the readers afterwards had me thinking.

Now Ferguson must splash cash - Manchester Evening News

The author claims Fergie must now 'splash the cash' to prove to the fans we have the money we claim we do, this £100-odd million.

Just because it's there, do we need to systematically buy willy-nilly for the sake of it? It's clear to me we do need reinforcement in our goalkeeper, midfield and attacking areas so my opinion is yes, we do, but at what cost?

I would love Sneijder to join United, all this nonsense about him being 27 years old and not worth it. Ronaldo is a couple of years younger at the most and Real paid double for him, and they also paid considerably more than £40 million for Kaka who is almost 29 years old.

The comments seem to say we shouldn't pay £40 million (if that is what it would take to sign him by the way, it may be more it may be less) based on the fact we could have gotten him for around £14 million when Real were looking to offload him. This is a good point yet based on what? Not every player ends up at United who are being sold, even if we are linked with all of them. And we also paid considerably more for Berbatov three years after we could have signed him instead of Spurs.

Look at Rio Ferdinand; he moved to Leeds for £18 million and we signed him less than two years later for £30 million, yet I doubt there'd be many who wouldn't say we've had our money's worth. There was a lot of contention over Carrick, signing for £14-18 million (depending on reports), yet we won the league thrice on the bounce with a couple of league cups and the Champions League thrown in for good measure.

The point is, Ferguson knows the true value of a player and what they would bring to the team in order to win trophies, which therefore benefits the club as a business financially which is what the directors and owners care about. If Ferguson will pay £40 million for Sneijder, that's his call.

But I hope he does....
 

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Not happening, signed a new contract a few weeks back.
 

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I disagree that he should ever splash the cash merely in order to prove to fans that we have it. However I would hope that if Ferguson ever did want a player then we wouldn't look at 'resale value' 'age' or any other consideration. If Sir Alex thinks that he's (any player) the right man for the job and he's available then get him.
 

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MEN's an awful rag, Johnno.
It ain't the best, and whilst it's hardly an 'exclusive' article that the Sun might have written, the fan's comments were the interesting section of the story for me; why do we, the fans, seem justified in unjustifying transfer fees which have, let's be honest, no impact to us whatsoever? Some might say that 'but it inflates our ticket prices' or makes them buy another replica shirt for their kids etc, but really, it's nowt to do with us so let's leave it to the experts because I'm pretty sure there is no-one on here who has ever dealt with the transfer of a multi-million pound footballer except on Playstation...
 

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I think Nani Nana has been involved in a few on football manager. Hopefully he'll be able to bring his macrofootballistic views to the table shortly.

Seriously though fans are bored, they like to feel involved, they like to second guess, they like to display a slightly superior understanding of the complexities of the game than the next man.

It's largely harmless and gets us all through some boring periods.


*i do actually think that increased media coverage and things such as football manager has made the typical modern fan take more of an interest in the running of the club as a whole rather than accepting that their real concern is largely the results on the pitch.
 

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I really do think United are one or two big signings away from another legacy team; yes, we did well after Ronaldo and Tevez but we lost the league and faltered in Europe.
Those two had the capacity to turn games and that's we're missing right now; a match winner, or someone who can grab the game by the balls and inspire as we don't have that.
We seriously lack bite in midfield as this is where I think the leaked goals are coming from, not enough cover for our defence in the middle.
We also lack that creativity that only Nani seems capable of, but he's a winger, Scholes produces every third or fourth game and Berbatov, well, his early season promise of overdue productivity has fizzled out sadly.
Sneijder and Benzema, that'd do me just fine....
 

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This is the same Wesley Sneijder who signed a new contract a week or so ago isn't it? MEN=Clueless rag which now resorts to handing out free editions in Manchester to generate better circulation.
 

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I feel that the Sneijder ship has long sailed. There's no way we would throw that money to get him when we could've get him on a cheap/swap deal in 2009. Replacing Scholes will remain a headache, there's no doubt about that.

Oh and wrong forum.
 

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This is the same Wesley Sneijder who signed a new contract a week or so ago isn't it? MEN=Clueless rag which now resorts to handing out free editions in Manchester to generate better circulation.
Was it the same Ronaldo who signed a contract the season before he left us?
What is a contract but a document that post-Bosman only means that you have to pay a fee to sign that player otherwise they walk free at the end of that contract...

We could sign him, Inter have tried to ensure his services to remain but would take a fee (a hefty one at that) if they thought he could potentially walk for nowt if that contract expired...
 

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I disagree that he should ever splash the cash merely in order to prove to fans that we have it. However I would hope that if Ferguson ever did want a player then we wouldn't look at 'resale value' 'age' or any other consideration. If Sir Alex thinks that he's (any player) the right man for the job and he's available then get him.
At this point it wouldnt be to prove United had the funds, it would be to shut up some of the idiots on here :yawn:
 

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Was it the same Ronaldo who signed a contract the season before he left us?
What is a contract but a document that post-Bosman only means that you have to pay a fee to sign that player otherwise they walk free at the end of that contract...

We could sign him, Inter have tried to ensure his services to remain but would take a fee (a hefty one at that) if they thought he could potentially walk for nowt if that contract expired...
Oooh, bitchy! Put the handbag away you little mare, I come in peace.

2 seasons before he left us.

Yeah, Inter are entitled to demand a valuation they want seeing as he's just signed if they wanted to sell. The fact he has re-signed though would suggest he's happy there right now and won't be going anywhere soon.

I find your attempt to pick a fight with me quite bizzare in all honesty, that time of the month is it? :smirk:
 

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I think Sneijder would be the automatic choice in terms of his impact he has for Holland and Inter as it's very Scholes-esque.
In saying that, back in the hazy days of 2006 when we were lining up a midfielder to fill the vacancy left by Roy Keane, most fans automatically assumed we'd be after a box-to-box player who could tackle, and most were bemused by our interest in Carrick, a passer.
Names being bandied about back then for us to sign were the likes of Marcos Senna and Gennaro Gattuso, but retrospectively a lot of muppets were saying we should be buying Kevin Nolan or Nigel Reo-Coker!
 

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Actually I think we got Carrick because we were unsure how much time Scholes had left, and he was actually coming back from an eye injury that almost ended his career. To replace Keane United went for Senna, but played a stupid game of hardball and missed out on him for like 3 million, I guess he was homeless enough to meet Villareal's asking price.
 

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Oooh, bitchy! Put the handbag away you little mare, I come in peace.

2 seasons before he left us.

Yeah, Inter are entitled to demand a valuation they want seeing as he's just signed if they wanted to sell. The fact he has re-signed though would suggest he's happy there right now and won't be going anywhere soon.

I find your attempt to pick a fight with me quite bizzare in all honesty, that time of the month is it? :smirk:
Eh?


Why do you assume I'm picking a fight with you brother? I was merely responding, respectively, to your post.

I assure you child, there was no angst in my reply and I totally respect your opinion.

Now go get your shine-box, Tommy....
 

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Actually I think we got Carrick because we were unsure how much time Scholes had left, and he was actually coming back from an eye injury that almost ended his career. To replace Keane United went for City, but played a stupid game of hardball and missed out on him for like 3 million, I guess he was homeless enough to meet Villareal's asking price.
Do you mean Senna?

Yep, another cock-up from the United hierarchy in signing a quality player; turns out we didn't really miss him that much, but Senna would have been a great signing, offering great stability and options and who knows, we may gotten further in Europe that year with him after Milan smashing us with their defensive approach and man-marking of Ronaldo.
Turned out pretty good the year after though....
 

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Sneijder signed a £14m a year contract one month ago, he's definely not coming to United. We should have signed him when he was kicked out of Real for £12m, too late now.
 

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Actually I think we got Carrick because we were unsure how much time Scholes had left, and he was actually coming back from an eye injury that almost ended his career. To replace Keane United went for Senna, but played a stupid game of hardball and missed out on him for like 3 million, I guess he was homeless enough to meet Villareal's asking price.
Senna was all set to come here. He eventually didn't come because Ferguson wanted Hargreaves and we worked out a deal there.
 

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Senna was all set to come here. He eventually didn't come because Ferguson wanted Hargreaves and we worked out a deal there.
That was the next season
You're both sort of right; Fergie was more inclined toward Hargreaves but Bayern wouldn't sell in 2006, so Fergie went for Senna instead, older and cheaper but very effective none-the-less.
Senna's side wanted six million quid, we'd only go to four and Villareal pulled out.
 

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Nah, the moment has passed. I have no qualms about SAF spending big money and breaking transfer records, but i prefer our way which is investing in talent and potential rather than buying established stars.

We have a very deep ridden culture now at Old Trafford and often in such environments, people who have learnt their trade from outside and so do not share the values and culture of the host club often have great difficulty in adapting. it happens in the corporate world all the time. In such places, you always get ore success by moulding your own talent form an early age.
 

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Well Steven Defour has been rated at around £15M and Alexis Sanchez at £20M, Now granted I've seen a lot more of Sanchez than Defour but overall both would seem to me to be good signings who'd strengthen our team and are young which fits in with the United philosophy.
 

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Well Steven Defour has been rated at around £15M and Alexis Sanchez at £20M, Now granted I've seen a lot more of Sanchez than Defour but overall both would seem to me to be good signings who'd strengthen our team and are young which fits in with the United philosophy.
But are they on the same par as Sneijder? Are they on the same level as Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Ozil, Kaka, Ballack for Bayern, Lampard circa 2004-08 etc?

It's all well and good buying decent prospects, but as we have seen plenty of times, prospects don't always work out.
Saying that, neither do all big money signings like Shevchenko or Ibrahimovic and dare I say Berbatov, but with Sneijder you are getting what you pay for...
 

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But are they on the same par as Sneijder? Are they on the same level as Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Ozil, Kaka, Ballack for Bayern, Lampard circa 2004-08 etc?

It's all well and good buying decent prospects, but as we have seen plenty of times, prospects don't always work out.
Saying that, neither do all big money signings like Shevchenko or Ibrahimovic and dare I say Berbatov, but with Sneijder you are getting what you pay for...
No neither are as good at the moment as the players you mention, but then neither have had the chance to step up in a big team the way Ozil has at Madrid.

To me what they represent are players who are not the very elite right now but are also not complete unknowns, these are the players with decent experience (Especially in Sanchez case) and have proven to have qualities that could be enahnced at United and see them become as good as some of the players you listed.
 

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No neither are as good at the moment as the players you mention, but then neither have had the chance to step up in a big team the way Ozil has at Madrid.

To me what they represent are players who are not the very elite right now but are also not complete unknowns, these are the players with decent experience (Especially in Sanchez case) and have proven to have qualities that could be enahnced at United and see them become as good as some of the players you listed.
Isn't Sanchez primarily a winger?
There is a better young prospect in Serie A for me and that is Steven Jovetic for Fiorentina, although he's injured right now but he would be more up our street, we don't need a winger mate, we're all wingered out.
But regardless of Sanchez's experience, did he shine for both club and country at the World Cup like Ozil and Sneijder did? They were both arguably the best players and both have continued that form into this new season for their clubs also.
I will be honest, I haven't seen a lot of Jupiler League football and cannot comment of Defour - I have heard good things so we'll say how he goes but he doesn't seem to be attractign the same sort of attention that other Beligian maestro Enzo Schifo attracted around the same age.
 

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Sadly he is out of reach at this point due to his new contract so this is a bit of a moot point, would have been nice had we gone for him and Ozil after or hell actually before the world cup
 

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Isn't Sanchez primarily a winger?
There is a better young prospect in Serie A for me and that is Steven Jovetic for Fiorentina, although he's injured right now but he would be more up our street, we don't need a winger mate, we're all wingered out.
But regardless of Sanchez's experience, did he shine for both club and country at the World Cup like Ozil and Sneijder did? They were both arguably the best players and both have continued that form into this new season for their clubs also.
I will be honest, I haven't seen a lot of Jupiler League football and cannot comment of Defour - I have heard good things so we'll say how he goes but he doesn't seem to be attractign the same sort of attention that other Beligian maestro Enzo Schifo attracted around the same age.
Snachez is mainly a winger yes but right now I'd say the lack of Giggs and Valencia has shown we could do with strengthening there as no Giggs will be a permanent reality pretty soon. Sanchez shone for his country at the World Cup yes, for Udinese he played well for a mid table side.

I agree Jovetic is a fantastic young talent but to buy him it would mean the end of Berbatov and probably one of our young strikers as he plays in the hole off the main striker.

No he isn't quite that level of exciting prospect, nice to see someone else remembers Scifo. :D
 

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An interesting article in the MEN yesterday (which may have already been posted), but the content and subsequent commentary by the readers afterwards had me thinking.

Now Ferguson must splash cash - Manchester Evening News

The author claims Fergie must now 'splash the cash' to prove to the fans we have the money we claim we do, this £100-odd million.

Just because it's there, do we need to systematically buy willy-nilly for the sake of it? It's clear to me we do need reinforcement in our goalkeeper, midfield and attacking areas so my opinion is yes, we do, but at what cost?

I would love Sneijder to join United, all this nonsense about him being 27 years old and not worth it. Ronaldo is a couple of years younger at the most and Real paid double for him, and they also paid considerably more than £40 million for Kaka who is almost 29 years old.

The comments seem to say we shouldn't pay £40 million (if that is what it would take to sign him by the way, it may be more it may be less) based on the fact we could have gotten him for around £14 million when Real were looking to offload him. This is a good point yet based on what? Not every player ends up at United who are being sold, even if we are linked with all of them. And we also paid considerably more for Berbatov three years after we could have signed him instead of Spurs.

Look at Rio Ferdinand; he moved to Leeds for £18 million and we signed him less than two years later for £30 million, yet I doubt there'd be many who wouldn't say we've had our money's worth. There was a lot of contention over Carrick, signing for £14-18 million (depending on reports), yet we won the league thrice on the bounce with a couple of league cups and the Champions League thrown in for good measure.

The point is, Ferguson knows the true value of a player and what they would bring to the team in order to win trophies, which therefore benefits the club as a business financially which is what the directors and owners care about. If Ferguson will pay £40 million for Sneijder, that's his call.

But I hope he does....
Following Real's example is not really the best way to go. And I don't think we can take on a risk like that. It makes poor business sense. As for 40 million on Sneijder, I've often spoken about my admiration for the year he had last year but given his age I wouldn't take that risk.

When you want to splurge you want to splurge like Real did on Ronaldo (not in extent but the players age). The guy was 24, the best player in the world (or one of), the most marketable footballer around and 5 of his best years to give to the club. And in case of things not working out, his resale value would still have been astronomical by other players standards.

If you want to spend big, look at how Mourinho spent at Chelsea. Not necessarily the biggest names, but the very best 'about to hit their prime' footballers around.