Chelsea 1:0 Manchester United

Red For Ever · May 19, 2018

devilish said:
You're blaming Pogba for the game? Seriously? Jones couldn't stop giving the ball away and his positioning was shocking. That was a school boy's mistake which is no surprising considering Jones never really matured as a player at all.

Good luck to Jones at the World cup, but him going and Smalling not going, doesnt make sense.

Uniquim · May 19, 2018

Mister_Stubbs said:
fecking resign Jose, feck off.

SalfordRed1960 said:
Can not come soon enough. Absolutely fecking clueless.

Marcky411 said:
Jose must realise he and his coaching is crap by now and should resign.

Oh, come on. Best league position since Fergie (by far), it's even the first time we directly qualified for the group stage through league psotiion. He won three trophies last year. Which is three of the four only trophies we've won since Fergie. (LVG's FA Cup being the 4th), and we're in the FA Cup final again. We're not far off at the moment. Changing the manager would have us starting over again.

mitchmouse · May 19, 2018

Kapardin said:
Yep, I can think of two quality chances Pogba created. Besides that it was just us having a shitload of possession and tamely giving away the ball away in the final third.

Watch City's or Liverpool's front 3 and see how they create chances. Our balls in the final third never seem to stay on the ground, it is aerial or bust. And we can't even do route 1 properly.

have to admit salah would have had a hat-trick...

mitchmouse · May 19, 2018

lysglimt said:
What a stupid thing to sayl. Why was Hazard left alone with Jones. Why did we have 3 central midfielders on the pitch - and where were they when Hazard got the ball. And Pogba missing that header in my opinion was a bigger mistake than Jones' with the penalty

agree

Cassidy · May 19, 2018

mitchmouse said:
OK. let's keep valencia and jones and smalling and young

Well last time I checked Jose signed two CBs :rolleyes:

Isotope · May 19, 2018

Walters_19_MuFc said:
It means that, if Sanchez performs the way he performed at Arsenal, than of course I think we have good enough cover.

Oh ok. Your "yes" means "not enough cover".

Twisted_Woody · May 19, 2018

Uniquim said:
Oh, come on. Best league position since Fergie (by far), it's even the first time we directly qualified for the group stage through league psotiion. He won three trophies last year. Which is three of the four only trophies we've won since Fergie. (LVG's FA Cup being the 4th), and we're in the FA Cup final again. We're not far off at the moment. Changing the manager would have us starting over again.

Agreed. It isn't his fault the players have no heart and drive.

redshaw · May 19, 2018

Terrible final. Was like watching a typical league game where we can't break a defending team down.

GeorgieBoy · May 19, 2018

Despite our best league position since SAF, it all feels a bit of a damp squid at the moment. City with the PL, and potentially Liverpool with the CL. Cliche, but that game summed our season up. Urgh...

Mister_Stubbs · May 19, 2018

Uniquim said:
Oh, come on. Best league position since Fergie (by far), it's even the first time we directly qualified for the group stage through league psotiion. He won three trophies last year. Which is three of the four only trophies we've won since Fergie. (LVG's FA Cup being the 4th), and we're in the FA Cup final again. We're not far off at the moment. Changing the manager would have us starting over again.

Good, we need to start over. This direction Jose has us going is taking us nowhere.

mitchmouse · May 19, 2018

Cassidy said:
Well last time I checked Jose signed two CBs

yes.. which is why i want a clearout...

Walters_19_MuFc · May 19, 2018

Isotope said:
Oh ok. Your "yes" means "not enough cover".

My yes means enough cover.

MooseTheMooche · May 19, 2018

Abysmal match. Both teams were just shambolic. As for us, well, I was expecting such perfomance. These players don’t give a shit about anything, bar their Instagram fame. Manager’s tactics, and overall approach to the games has been terrible. We haven’t looked like a proper team throughout the whole season. Just counting on some individual brilliance, and that’s it. No trained patterns in our play, just a total mess on the pitch. Fecking shite.

devilish · May 19, 2018

Red For Ever said:
Good luck to Jones at the World cup, but him going and Smalling not going, doesnt make sense.

Jones and Smalling reminds me of the time we used to have Foster and Carroll. They might get some good games then eventually one will mess up big time and the other will take over up until the second player fecks up and the focus moves to the other player. The truth is that we've got too many players who are squad members at best. Jones, Smalling, Young, Lingard, Rashford, Blind, Darmian, Shaw ....you can't win with such crap.

Marcky411 · May 19, 2018

Uniquim said:
Oh, come on. Best league position since Fergie (by far), it's even the first time we directly qualified for the group stage through league psotiion. He won three trophies last year. Which is three of the four only trophies we've won since Fergie. (LVG's FA Cup being the 4th), and we're in the FA Cup final again. We're not far off at the moment. Changing the manager would have us starting over again.

Sugar coat it as much as you like, treat second place like a trophy but we are crap and only getting worse under Jose. Not far off you are kidding right 20 points adrift from City and not far off :lol:

Cassidy · May 19, 2018

mitchmouse said:
yes.. which is why i want a clearout...

Which is why I pointed to the players we bring in being an issue, whats the point of having a clear out to bring in more trash. We need to sort that problem first

Marcky411 · May 19, 2018

devilish said:
Jones and Smalling reminds me of the time we used to have Foster and Carroll. They might get some good games then eventually one will mess up big time and the other will take over up until the second player fecks up and the focus moves to the other player. The truth is that we've got too many players who are squad members at best. Jones, Smalling, Young, Lingard, Rashford, Blind, Darmian, Shaw ....you can't win with such crap.

Come on, start beating another drum, people keep pointing to players as being so terrible when Jose has hardly played them all season. How can you expect anybody to perform when the closest they get to playing is the bench. I see the same names passing by week in week out and they are all players warming the bench.

Uniquim · May 19, 2018

Marcky411 said:
Sugar coat it as much as you like, treat second place like a trophy but we are crap and only getting worse under Jose. Not far off you are kidding right 20 points adrift from City and not far off

I don't think second place is a trophy, it is still the best we've been able to do since Fergie. City isn't going to grab a 100 points every season, and we already are as solid defensively as they are (27 v 28 goals conceded). We just need to score more goals, and stop dropping points against smaller teams. We really aren't that far off.

Marcky411 · May 19, 2018

MooseTheMooche said:
Abysmal match. Both teams were just shambolic. As for us, well, I was expecting such perfomance. These players don’t give a shit about anything, bar their Instagram fame. Manager’s tactics, and overall approach to the games has been terrible. We haven’t looked like a proper team throughout the whole season. Just counting on some individual brilliance, and that’s it. No trained patterns in our play, just a total mess on the pitch. Fecking shite.

The players are a refection of the manager, they are following his instructions. As we all know if you don't follow the manager's instructions you won't play. Blame the players as much as you like, it all starts and ends with the manager.

londonredmaniac · May 19, 2018

Can’t keep turning up for 45 minutes and keep getting away with it.

MooseTheMooche · May 19, 2018

Marcky411 said:
The players are a refection of the manager, they are following his instructions. As we all know if you don't follow the manager's instructions you won't play. Blame the players as much as you like, it all starts and ends with the manager.

I agree with this wholeheartedly, and I am first to bash Mourinho, because I just can't see the supposed progress. We look like complete shite on the pitch, and since Mourinho came in I can count on my fingers the number of times we played well. But at the same time we can't blame him that fecking Rashford or Sanchez can't control the ball properly, and their first touch is just non-existent. Pogba dribbling in his own half doesn't help either. All in all our approach to the games comes from the man on the touchline, as you said.

Seven Seas Sardines · May 19, 2018

Uniquim said:
I don't think second place is a trophy, it is still the best we've been able to do since Fergie. City isn't going to grab a 100 points every season, and we already are as solid defensively as they are (27 v 28 goals conceded). We just need to score more goals, and stop dropping points against smaller teams. We really aren't that far off.

We are only as solid because we are playing defensive zombie football and have the best keeper in the world to bail us out.

Adam-Utd · May 19, 2018

Seven Seas Sardines said:
We are only as solid because we are playing defensive zombie football and have the best keeper in the world to bail us out.

Yep. I'd much rather concede 1 more goal but score what 30/40 more :lol:

We are unfortunately miles behind them in terms of coaching.

Isotope · May 19, 2018

Walters_19_MuFc said:
My yes means enough cover.

Ok. Now I remember, you were one poster who wanted us to keep Rooney before he was sold.

Walters_19_MuFc · May 19, 2018

Isotope said:
Ok. Now I remember, you were one poster who wanted us to keep Rooney before he was sold.

I'm flattered that you remember me.

Jig1234 · May 19, 2018

I got some lovely free flags at Wembley today....

lysglimt · May 19, 2018

devilish said:
You're blaming Pogba for the game? Seriously? Jones couldn't stop giving the ball away and his positioning was shocking. That was a school boy's mistake which is no surprising considering Jones never really matured as a player at all.

No I am not blaming Pogba for the game - but I am not blaming Jones for the game either. Hazard was never Jones' responsibility. If Jones had followed Hazard all the way where he got the ball, he would left a huge hole in the center. I am blaming one of our 3 central midfielders for not being anywhere close to where Hazard was. Did Jones react too late - yes - but he was left one on one with one of the quickest attackers in the game - and he never should have been

PeteManic · May 19, 2018

I'm sure it's been said above many times over, but this match perfectly encapsulated everything about what will be the Mourinho era at United. I'm genuinely really looking forward to the post-Mourinho era.

Andersons Dietician · May 19, 2018

Got to say, that first touch by Hazard was incredible and the 2nd one just destroys Jones. From that moment it’s over.

devilish · May 20, 2018

lysglimt said:
No I am not blaming Pogba for the game - but I am not blaming Jones for the game either. Hazard was never Jones' responsibility. If Jones had followed Hazard all the way where he got the ball, he would left a huge hole in the center. I am blaming one of our 3 central midfielders for not being anywhere close to where Hazard was. Did Jones react too late - yes - but he was left one on one with one of the quickest attackers in the game - and he never should have been

As the commentator said he was caught off guard completely by Hazard. Then instead of fouling him he kept running after him up until they both entered the penalty box were he got that clumbsy penalty that could easily led to a red card. Its a mistake some 18 year old rookie would do not a 26 year old international.

Defending is the defender or the DMs job.....not our most attacking midfielder option.

devilish · May 20, 2018

Marcky411 said:
Come on, start beating another drum, people keep pointing to players as being so terrible when Jose has hardly played them all season. How can you expect anybody to perform when the closest they get to playing is the bench. I see the same names passing by week in week out and they are all players warming the bench.

Look mate this is not the treble side. Players aren't competing with the likes of Keane, Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Stam, Irwin etc but with the likes of frigging Jones, Smalling, Young, Valencia and Fellaini whom shouldn't be at United in the first place. Don't you think that if these players are good enough they wouldn't be given a chance? Of course they would. The trouble is that we've got so much drivel that Mou can hardly pick a side without them and when injuries come things get worse. Take today's game as an example. Lukaku was out and we might as well not bothered playing a striker upfront. Our forward line was literally in-existent.

Its one thing doing well against the likes of Watford or Southampton and its another keeping the likes of Hazard at bay. That's when you need top players to do the job and sadly we have very few of those.

lysglimt · May 20, 2018

devilish said:
As the commentator said he was caught off guard completely by Hazard. Then instead of fouling him he kept running after him up until they both entered the penalty box were he got that clumbsy penalty that could easily led to a red card. Its a mistake some 18 year old rookie would do not a 26 year old international.

Defending is the defender or the DMs job.....not our most attacking midfielder option.

Under the new rules - that was never a red card even if Conte seemed to think so. If a defender genuinely makes an effort to take the ball and ends up fouling the opponent in the box - it's a yellow and a penalty.

Yeah he was caught off guard - he reacted a split second too slow. But ask youself this - why was Hazard allowed to stand all by himself on a counter-attack where he was. It seemed pretty obvious that Herrera's main responsibility in the first half was looking after Hazard - where was he ? And I am convinced Mourinho had instructed United, if Herrera was attacking - someone else stays behind to look after Hazard. And that would normally be either Young or Valencia. In this case - Young as it was his side.

lysglimt · May 20, 2018

devilish said:
Look mate this is not the treble side. Players aren't competing with the likes of Keane, Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Stam, Irwin etc but with the likes of frigging Jones, Smalling, Young, Valencia and Fellaini whom shouldn't be at United in the first place. Don't you think that if these players are good enough they wouldn't be given a chance? Of course they would. The trouble is that we've got so much drivel that Mou can hardly pick a side without them and when injuries come things get worse. Take today's game as an example. Lukaku was out and we might as well not bothered playing a striker upfront. Our forward line was literally in-existent.

Its one thing doing well against the likes of Watford or Southampton and its another keeping the likes of Hazard at bay. That's when you need top players to do the job and sadly we have very few of those.

Vidic was a top player - what happened when he was left alone with Torres ? One-on-One with Hazard, noone in our team can stop him - that's why you defend as a team. When they got the penalty - we didn't defend as a team.

devilish · May 20, 2018

lysglimt said:
Vidic was a top player - what happened when he was left alone with Torres ? One-on-One with Hazard, noone in our team can stop him - that's why you defend as a team. When they got the penalty - we didn't defend as a team.

The difference is that Jones does this brain farts on a regular basis. Jones is unreliable. He's nowhere near to world class, he's regularly injured and he plays like an enthusiastic 18 year old, with no football IQ. We need better players in the team, defenders who can actually organise the defense rather then simply be part of it and don't expect CM or GK to constantly bail them out.

Bestietom · May 20, 2018

Conte beat Mourinho at his own game, and then came out with a statement after the game that it's hard to break down a team with 9 behind the ball. FFS Mourinho does this all the time.

Handsome Devil · May 20, 2018

tombombadil said:
Well, not sure about the Sky Go app and don't know how familiar you are with KL or if you have some free time to watch it.

Just thought I'd share some of the many places you can drop by that will be showing it.

First option are "mamaks" which are indian muslim restaurants that normally have big screens with sports subscriptions. You can just ask the owner if he is showing the game later to be sure. Just grab a cup of iced tea and sit and watch to your hearts content.

Second option would be one of many sports bars around town where you can do the usual.

Third option would be to check if your hotel room has the sports subscription or if the hotel bar is showing it.

Fourth option is if you are stuck in the airport for a layover, you could check out if the airport bar is showing it.

Had a calamity with cancelled flight connections with airline putting us up in crappy Airport Hotel. Couldn't see match but maybe that was a blessing in disguise. Thanks for info though, much appreciated.

mitchmouse · May 21, 2018

Cassidy said:
Which is why I pointed to the players we bring in being an issue, whats the point of having a clear out to bring in more trash. We need to sort that problem first

well, of course. But what Iwa saying is if the dead wood isn't at the club, we can't pick them!

Cassidy · May 21, 2018

mitchmouse said:
well, of course. But what Iwa saying is if the dead wood isn't at the club, we can't pick them!

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