Leicester City 5:3 Manchester United

dwd · Sep 21, 2014

Jimmy Skitz said:
from my angle it looked like an old fashioned shoulder barge, they are still legal

Sassy Colin · Sep 21, 2014

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Jimmy Skitz · Sep 21, 2014

J-Stander said:
There's nothing wrong with being a little biased towards your own team but it was a blatant foul. Even my Liverpool supporting mates couldn't believe it. Christ even Souness and Carragher couldn't believe it.

when I see it back I'll happily admit it if it was

Speedicut75 · Sep 21, 2014

Idxomer said:
Of course he did, the referee made a bigger one and I actually think that's the 3rd match this season we got screwed by referees. But someone like Rafael should've know better especially that there was still a defender to stop Vardy.

what mistake was that? He never even touched him. Had he tried not to recover his position, people like you would have slaughtered him for not tracking his man.

Jimmy Skitz · Sep 21, 2014

Speedicut75 said:
what mistake was that? He never even touched him. Had he tried not to recover his position, people like you would have slaughtered him for not tracking his man.

he came racing back and we all knew what was going to happen, Vardy was going to make sure he got in Rafael's way, Rafael is not a young player and should have known that any striker would do that and adjusted, by not doing so he gave Vardy the chance to go down the the ref a decision to make

lcfcwigstonblue · Sep 21, 2014

Foxes fan in peace, my view of today was you looked frightening going forward but we were always capable of causing you problems going forward.
I was very near the 1st penalty incident, I'd of been annoyed if that was given against my team it was soft, but Raphael has form for being rash and he should never of made it that easy for Vardy to go down, would Di Maria, Falcao or Mata have gone down in that situation yes 100%.
I thought the second was a penalty but wasn't a straight red card.
I was disappointed in your front three today especially Rooney who spent the whole 2nd half chasing the ref about.
Good luck for the rest of the season I still think you will make the champions league.

Dobba · Sep 21, 2014

lcfcwigstonblue said:
Raphael has form for being rash and he should never of made it that easy for Vardy to go down

As Falcao has form for scoring goals, can we count him hitting the bar as a goal?

caid · Sep 21, 2014

Jacob said:
Still, it was stupid and rash to jump his shoulder.

Sorry but this is silly imo.
Whats he supposed to do? Stand out on the wing because hes gone past him? Stay on his ass?
He tried to get back to put some pressure on the player, which is exactly what he should be doing
The ref fecked up, twice. It happens and i wouldn't blame the player for getting cheated.
Our reaction to it is what cost us anyway.

Personally i dont like people defending vardy either. Yes we have ashley young but i give him grief when he dives.
Which to be fair he hasn't been doing for a while now.
It was cheating, wish more pundits, commentators and fans would call it that. Instead of a smart / cute / clever bit of play
or whatever bullshit they want to describe it as.

Anyway,
Leicester were pretty good. Don't know if vardy is much of a goalscorer but he's definitely enough of a nuisance to be a good player for them.
They looked solid elsewhere, with a bit of class dotted around the team. I'd say they'll be pretty comfortable this season position wise.

J-Stander · Sep 21, 2014

minoo-utd said:
What did LVG say about this disappointing result?

Jimmy Skitz said:
when I see it back I'll happily admit it if it was

fair enough. Good luck for the rest of the season.

Jimmy Skitz · Sep 21, 2014

caid said:
Sorry but this is silly imo.
Personally i dont like people defending vardy either. Yes we have ashley young but i give him grief when he dives.
Which to be fair he hasn't been doing for a while now.
It was cheating, wish more pundits, commentators and fans would call it that. Instead of a smart / cute / clever bit of play
or whatever bullshit they want to describe it as.

Anyway,
Leicester were pretty good. Don't know if vardy is much of a goalscorer but he's definitely enough of a nuisance to be a good player for them.
They looked solid elsewhere, with a bit of class dotted around the team. I'd say they'll be pretty comfortable this season position wise.

I don't like it either but after years of teams doing it to us I'm not going to complain too much that its going our way, if it were a perfect world and no one dives it would be great but it isn't and TBF to Vardy he doesn't often create the contact he just doesn't get out of the way when he can.

He got about 13 last season including the only 1 at QPR which set us on our way to the title, he won about 10 pens too, most of which were stone wall pens from memory despite missing a couple of months with injury

Micha · Sep 21, 2014

We can blame the ref as long as we want, but we still conceded four more goals against Leicester. I think LvG is right to publicly defend our backline and to spread responsibility on the whole team, but honestly: these players are simply not good enough. You could always count on Vida or Ferdinand to iron out some mistakes in midfield. At the moment, I don't trust none of our defenders to do the same.

Speedicut75 · Sep 21, 2014

Jimmy Skitz said:
he came racing back and we all knew what was going to happen, Vardy was going to make sure he got in Rafael's way, Rafael is not a young player and should have known that any striker would do that and adjusted, by not doing so he gave Vardy the chance to go down the the ref a decision to make

By that rationale a player would never commit themselves to a course of action just in case the official has some sort of axe-to-grind.
To mitigate the responsibility of the referee for making a total balls-up, and blaming the player for not expecting this type of incompetence is ridiculous. And Vardy wasn't given a chance to do anything, he just took a bit fat stinking dive.

Jimmy Skitz · Sep 21, 2014

Speedicut75 said:
By that rationale a player would never commit themselves to a course of action just in case the official has some sort of axe-to-grind.
To mitigate the responsibility of the referee for making a total balls-up, and blaming the player for not expecting this type of incompetence is ridiculous. And Vardy wasn't given a chance to do anything, he just took a bit fat stinking dive.

well most sensible players take more care in their own penalty box

Andre Kagawa · Sep 21, 2014

Still not fully able to digest this result. Absolutely gutted.

FergieYouBeauty · Sep 21, 2014

caid said:
Sorry but this is silly imo.
Whats he supposed to do? Stand out on the wing because hes gone past him? Stay on his ass?
He tried to get back to put some pressure on the player, which is exactly what he should be doing
The ref fecked up, twice. It happens and i wouldn't blame the player for getting cheated.
Our reaction to it is what cost us anyway.

Personally i dont like people defending vardy either. Yes we have ashley young but i give him grief when he dives.
Which to be fair he hasn't been doing for a while now.
It was cheating, wish more pundits, commentators and fans would call it that. Instead of a smart / cute / clever bit of play
or whatever bullshit they want to describe it as.

Anyway,
Leicester were pretty good. Don't know if vardy is much of a goalscorer but he's definitely enough of a nuisance to be a good player for them.
They looked solid elsewhere, with a bit of class dotted around the team. I'd say they'll be pretty comfortable this season position wise.

Correct

and for the record, to Leicester fans, you have great spirit and confidence, i'd be shocked if you didn't stay up this year...nice to see you up again.

FergieYouBeauty · Sep 21, 2014

Jimmy Skitz said:
well most sensible players take more care in their own penalty box

take more care?

he didn't touch the fecker, how much more fecking care could he take?

watch this, paying attention to vardy swinging his arse out positioning himself for the dive:

hirotan69er · Sep 21, 2014

Jimmy Skitz said:
he came racing back and we all knew what was going to happen, Vardy was going to make sure he got in Rafael's way, Rafael is not a young player and should have known that any striker would do that and adjusted, by not doing so he gave Vardy the chance to go down the the ref a decision to make

Rafael was out smarted by the ex-Non-League player...I find this very sad.

Wade3 · Sep 21, 2014

What the f*** just happened?!? I was coaching basketball myself, always got updates and saw we were up comfortably 2-0 and then 3-1. My phone kept buzzing so I figured we just kept on scoring. Instead, we end up losing 3-5?!? How the hell is that possible?

FoxInPeace · Sep 21, 2014

Di Maria's goal was class btw. Was sat right behind the goal for it

Micha · Sep 21, 2014

FergieYouBeauty said:
watch this, paying attention to vardy swinging his arse out positioning himself for the dive

This is getting pathetic. The guy plays for Leicester, a newly promoted side, against one of the biggest clubs in the world, trailing 3-1. He isn't exactly a contender for the Ballon d'Or either, so I'd say: Let the guy pull all the tricks he knows to somehow stand a chance. It is up to the ref to sort out what's what, and that is the guy who made the mistake.
Furthermore, an attacking force of RvP, Di Maria, Falcao and Rooney scored less than... what were their names again? Our defensive performance today was a joke, dives and refereeing decisions did not change that, and we rightfully lost the game due to our own incapabilities.

If Manchester United, after going on an absolute spending frenzy in the summer, concedes five against a newly promoted side, the debate over one penalty is simply ridicoulous.

FergieYouBeauty · Sep 21, 2014

Micha said:
This is getting pathetic. The guy plays for Leicester, a newly promoted side, against one of the biggest clubs in the world, trailing 3-1. He isn't exactly a contender for the Ballon d'Or either, so I'd say: Let the guy pull all the tricks he knows to somehow stand a chance. It is up to the ref to sort out what's what, and that is the guy who made the mistake.
Furthermore, an attacking force of RvP, Di Maria, Falcao and Rooney scored less than... what were their names again? Our defensive performance today was a joke, dives and refereeing decisions did not change that, and we rightfully lost the game due to our own incapabilities.

If Manchester United, after going on an absolute spending frenzy in the summer, concedes five against a newly promoted side, the debate over one penalty is simply ridicoulous.

I've read some shite on here but that takes the piss...cheating is fine because he is newly promoted lmao wtf

oh and 3 of those were arguably clattenberg goals

vardy fouled both rafael and blackett, both occasions leading to a penalty n the cross that ulloa put away was past the byline

ghagua · Sep 21, 2014

The defending today was absolutely fecking ridiculous. Rafael remains as petulant as ever, but his back up is even worse, so we are stuck with him for now. The central defenders are playing such a high line, when they have trouble putting in a tackle or header to win the ball. This was a game we should not have lost, especially when we took that 3-1 lead. Time to bring in Shaw at left back and move Rojo to the middle and see if he can make a slight difference. So exciting to see the attacking football being played, but the pathetic defending is going to ruin all the hard work.

Red Viking · Sep 21, 2014

We have no excuse for this... poor referee decisions matter not when you let 5 goals in and get utterly humiliated by a fairly good side. The Players need to get there act together for what we saw today was utterly pitiful to watch. If we dont improve our defending shardish we are gonna struggle keeping in touch for the top 4 positions.

FoxingLucky · Sep 21, 2014

Micha said:
This is getting pathetic. The guy plays for Leicester, a newly promoted side, against one of the biggest clubs in the world, trailing 3-1. He isn't exactly a contender for the Ballon d'Or either, so I'd say: Let the guy pull all the tricks he knows to somehow stand a chance. It is up to the ref to sort out what's what, and that is the guy who made the mistake.
Furthermore, an attacking force of RvP, Di Maria, Falcao and Rooney scored less than... what were their names again? Our defensive performance today was a joke, dives and refereeing decisions did not change that, and we rightfully lost the game due to our own incapabilities.

If Manchester United, after going on an absolute spending frenzy in the summer, concedes five against a newly promoted side, the debate over one penalty is simply ridicoulous.

I agree, it was not a penalty but the second was a stone waller and LCFC deserved this win, we exploited your weakness at the back. However Di Maria was class, his goal was amazing....right in front of me.....when he went off you had no idea going forward...

I am still buzzing :-0

Earthquake · Sep 21, 2014

FergieYouBeauty said:
I've read some shite on here but that takes the piss...cheating is fine because he is newly promoted lmao wtf

oh and 3 of those were arguably clattenberg goals

vardy fouled both rafael and blackett, both occasions leading to a penalty n the cross that ulloa put away was past the byline

De Laet fouled one of our guys in the build to another goal as well.

FergieYouBeauty · Sep 21, 2014

Earthquake said:
De Laet fouled one of our guys in the build to another goal as well.

ah yes correct, the commentator actually mentioned de laet committed three yellow card offences and booked for only 1

Dobba · Sep 21, 2014

FoxingLucky said:
the second was a stone waller

True, if you do a Clattenburg and ignore Vardy shoving Blackett in the back to get in on goal

Earthquake said:
De Laet fouled one of our guys in the build to another goal as well.

It would be easier to list the United players De Laet didn't foul.

Micha · Sep 21, 2014

FergieYouBeauty said:
I've read some shite on here but that takes the piss...cheating is fine because he is newly promoted lmao wtf

oh and 3 of those were arguably clattenberg goals

vardy fouled both rafael and blackett, both occasions leading to a penalty n the cross that ulloa put away was past the byline

Well, maybe not exactly fine, but maybe it was not exactly cheating either. I'd say it is debatable. Fact is Vardy provoked the contact and went down very easily. I can understand that from that guys position, I'd say the guy took his chance and got lucky.

The one where the ball went out I am not sure about. Maybe it did, maybe didn't, I don't know. What I do know is that you play to the goddamn whistle, especially when defending. Evans positioning was simple horrible and that goal was his mistake alone.
The push on Blackett, well, I have seen them given. I have seen them not given a lot more often. And quite frankly, I have absolutely no confidence in a defender who lets someone push him away that easily. Last but not least, where was his cover? You CAN blame the ref, you MUST blame our defence for both these goals.

Earthquake · Sep 21, 2014

Dobba said:
It would be easier to list the United players De Laet didn't foul.

Good chance he fouled Van Gaal at some point.... ffs.

SqueakyWeasel · Sep 21, 2014

Was driving across to Germany this afternoon and the last I heard it was 1:3. Got here and watched the second half of the Chelsea game without checking the final score thinking we'd got the 3 points and were on 8 points which would have put us ahead of City in 6th because we'd have a better than +5 GD …

… I'm 'kin' gobsmaked!

caid · Sep 21, 2014

FoxingLucky said:
I agree, it was not a penalty but the second was a stone waller and LCFC deserved this win, we exploited your weakness at the back. However Di Maria was class, his goal was amazing....right in front of me.....when he went off you had no idea going forward...

I am still buzzing :-0

Yeah, you were good for the win. I know my last post wasn't exactly giving you lot much credit but you got the result you deserved.
We just dont have pace beside di maria. He knits the whole team together and tbh is worryingly important to us

Jimmy Skitz said:
I don't like it either but after years of teams doing it to us I'm not going to complain too much that its going our way, if it were a perfect world and no one dives it would be great but it isn't and TBF to Vardy he doesn't often create the contact he just doesn't get out of the way when he can.

I can understand that and i dont want to take anything away from your performance. At the end of the day hes doing his job basically.
Whether i like it or not its just too big an advantage for most players to not dive these days. I still hate it and im going to continue calling it cheating though.
Just wish they'd start punishing it and people would drop phrases like 'creating contact' (not trying to criticise you personally).
Call a spade a spade, its cheating.

Before the conversation starts - we have cheats in our team.

Jimmy Skitz · Sep 21, 2014

if a guy the size of Tyler Blackett gets bullied by Jamie Vardy, who isn't exactly a gym rat, then the problem is with your manager picking someone that is too weak for prem football

Rudi j · Sep 21, 2014

I couldn't believe how lost rojo looked today at left back, having watched him in the WC he didn't seem great going forward but solid defensively, real shock.

Jimmy Skitz · Sep 21, 2014

caid said:
Yeah, you were good for the win. I know my last post wasn't exactly giving you lot much credit but you got the result you deserved.
We just dont have pace beside di maria. He knits the whole team together and tbh is worryingly important to us

I can understand that and i dont want to take anything away from your performance. At the end of the day hes doing his job basically.
Whether i like it or not its just too big an advantage for most players to not dive these days. I still hate it and im going to continue calling it cheating though.
Just wish they'd start punishing it and people would drop phrases like 'creating contact' (not trying to criticise you personally).
Call a spade a spade, its cheating.

Before the conversation starts - we have cheats in our team.

I'm sure had that been Di Maria at the other end your fans would have been up screaming for a penalty as well and which goal did De Laet foul someone in the build up to? he out muscled someone at some point in the build up to Vardy's goals but that's not a foul Rojo dropped like a sack of spuds

Red_head7 · Sep 21, 2014

1. Rafael was not to 'blame' for Vardy's penalty, all angles show that it was a dive.

2. Blackett's foul was 100% a penalty but not a straight red card, no malice intent there.

3. We looked absolutely fantastic going forward, our fluidity and speed was brilliant, the best i've seen quite a long time.

4. Our defence isn't actually that bad. Our organisation when we have time is fine, it is when teams are on the counter that half of our defensive unit goes missing and opposition players have a free run on goal. This was very evident today IMO. However, it can be remedied in training and I remain confident that it will be.

5. If that first penalty wouldn't have been awarded we would have won.

6. Clattenburg is awful.

Dobba · Sep 21, 2014

Is there anything Jamie Vardy can do that Leicester fans will acknowledge as not right?

We've covered diving and shoving players going for headers in the back already.

RedSRM · Sep 21, 2014

Jimmy Skitz said:
if a guy the size of Tyler Blackett gets bullied by Jamie Vardy, who isn't exactly a gym rat, then the problem is with your manager picking someone that is too weak for prem football

Problem is that we don't have much choice in defence because none of our players back there seem to be able to stay fit for more than 5 mins. So you have a situation where you are relying on Blackett, Evans and Smalling at the back. Blackett's a new comer and was always gonna struggle eventually at this level.

Jimmy Skitz · Sep 21, 2014

RedSRM said:
Problem is that we don't have much choice in defence because none of our players back there seem to be able to stay fit for more than 5 mins. So you have a situation where you are relying on Blackett, Evans and Smalling at the back. Blackett's a new comer and was always gonna struggle eventually at this level.

we had Michael Keane on loan a few seasons back, he is a better player then Blackett yet you've loaned him out

FoxingLucky · Sep 21, 2014

Jimmy Skitz said:
if a guy the size of Tyler Blackett gets bullied by Jamie Vardy, who isn't exactly a gym rat, then the problem is with your manager picking someone that is too weak for prem football

spot on.....gary neville just said Man Utd got bullied.....this is the premier league....

the fans on here were fair before the game and now the ref scored 3 goals and LCFC cheated......mmmm how are those grapes tasting.....bit sour???

RedSRM · Sep 21, 2014

FergieYouBeauty said:
take more care?

he didn't touch the fecker, how much more fecking care could he take?

watch this, paying attention to vardy swinging his arse out positioning himself for the dive:

Really is a disgraceful dive actually. I've been critical of Rafael's rashness (and I still think he needs to grow up regarding his temperament) but Vardy has conned that moron of a ref. I think Rafa's reputation as a hot-head has probably meant that Twattenburg assumes the foul was coming even before anything had happened.

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