Manchester United 1:0 Brentford

Bobski · Apr 5, 2023

arnie_ni said:
I'd wager both martial and Fred had more touches

Yes, Scott did some valuable stuff tonight but the chronic issue of his lack of involvement in the possession can't be understated.

He completed 23 passes, Fred came on for the last 20 and completed 15. It has got to the point where it is not just him and his failings now, his teammates are actively avoiding giving him the ball in most scenarios because they clearly don't trust him to keep it.

An effective game but one that illustrated his main issues at the same time.

Rayman96 · Apr 5, 2023

lex talionis said:
The British announcers are creaming themselves over McTominay's performance..."yet again".

He did play well so deserves credit. No point on beating on a Utd player who has as good game just because you don't like him.

arnie_ni · Apr 5, 2023

Bobski said:
Yes, Scott did some valuable stuff tonight but the chronic issue of his lack of involvement in the possession can't be understated.

He completed 23 passes, Fred came on for the last 20 and completed 15. It has got to the point where it is not just him and his failings now, his teammates are actively avoiding giving him the ball in most scenarios because they clearly don't trust him to keep it.

An effective game but one that illustrated his main issues at the same time.

Yep. Done what was required defensively as a 6 but it's like playing a man down with him when we have the ball. I bet we pass back to de gea a lot more when he plays as well which usually results in a lump up the pitch and turnover in possession for which he gets blame.

But to not totally shit on him he was very good defensively

No Idea For Nickname · Apr 5, 2023

GledTheRed said:
cnuts do it, see Tyrone Mings..

Do I really have to?

DLE said:
https://www.wikihow.com/Chew-Gum

Oh, I see, did not know that, thanks.

Plonker. Kidding

Wing Attack Plan R · Apr 5, 2023

Enjoyable game. Created plenty of chances just couldn’t find the net. They came back into second half when we were tiring, but it should have been 3-0 by that point. Good game, good win. Martial just needs to stay without injury, he showed flashes today of clever movement, good touches. Maybe he’s fit for the run in, which would be fantastic news. McT good, Sabitzer good, back 4 excellent.

glasgow 21 · Apr 5, 2023

Good performance and Brentford were neutralised tonight. They showed nothing and we have to be happy and move on to next game. McT put himself about and got in important challenges when it mattered. I am one of his biggest critics but when he at least gets one part of his game right tonight he deserves credit with a caveat though that he is still moved on.

TheReligion · Apr 5, 2023

Mr. Robot said:
Has it always been like this at RedCafe? Or is it the new generation of ‘fan’?

I don’t recall it always being like that. Then again lack of success does that to some I guess!

TheReligion · Apr 5, 2023

RedSky said:
Canna wait to watch McTominay's wonderful disappearing act tonight. Sigh.

I’ll pass your apologies on to Mr Mctominay RS

glasgow 21 · Apr 5, 2023

TheReligion said:
I’ll pass your apologies on to Mr Mctominay RS

One good game and McT is Socrates ? one bad game for ETH and folk are bringing Ole credentials back up ,Unbelievable on here

TheReligion · Apr 5, 2023

glasgow 21 said:
One good game and McT is Socrates ? one bad game for ETH and folk are bringing Ole credentials back up ,Unbelievable on here

Who said Mctominay was Socrates? Link me up to the quotes!

RedSky · Apr 5, 2023

TheReligion said:
I’ll pass your apologies on to Mr Mctominay RS

31 Passes all game, joint lowest in the starting line up (Rashford our CF also had 31). The same issues arise with McTominay even when he has a semi decent game. Simply not involved enough, the game passes him by as a midfielder. Nothing tonight has changed my mind, he's not good enough for us even as a squad player.

RedDevilRoshi · Apr 5, 2023

As expected, got the job done professionally. Brentford were shite. Never looked like scoring.

TheReligion · Apr 5, 2023

RedSky said:
31 Passes all game, joint lowest in the starting line up (Rashford our CF also had 31). The same issues arise with McTominay even when he has a semi decent game. Simply not involved enough, the game passes him by as a midfielder. Nothing tonight has changed my mind, he's not good enough for us even as a squad player.

We all know what he is and his limitations. He played okay tonight though and we controlled the midfield.

Like it or not you have to support the players through the good and bad. Give credit where it’s due.

NLunited · Apr 5, 2023

RedSky said:
31 Passes all game, joint lowest in the starting line up (Rashford our CF also had 31). The same issues arise with McTominay even when he has a semi decent game. Simply not involved enough, the game passes him by as a midfielder. Nothing tonight has changed my mind, he's not good enough for us even as a squad player.

My man of the match.

He is not a ball playing midfielder, but a destroyer and progressive dribbler with decent shooting and finishing.

Man of the match.

RedSky · Apr 5, 2023

TheReligion said:
We all know what he is and his limitations. He played okay tonight though and we controlled the midfield.

Like it or not you have to support the players through the good and bad. Give credit where it’s due.

We controlled the midfield despite of McTominay not because of him. I'm all for giving players credit when they play well, I was adamant that Dalot wasn't fit for purpose in the Summer and gave him credit when he turned it around in the first half of the season. I just don't see it with Scott. He was there but not doing much which is the usual shit with Scott. Bruno for example had 95 passes compared to McTominays 31. Before you say "that's not his job", what would Eriksens or Casemiros passing numbers be like if they were on the pitch tonight? This is what Scott has to try and become , this should be our standard and he's got simply no chance. He's never once displayed those type of passing numbers in a game before.

I don't even think we were all that good tonight and rode our luck at times. We didn't create many chances and nor did we prevent Brentford from making chances either, in fact I'd argue they had the best chance of the game with the 1 on 1 with De Gea.

You literally don't have to support the players through the good and the bad, that's just top red nonsense. Just like you'd give the Manager grief after bad results, you are allowed to critise players who are also way out of their depth and not putting the effort in. That's pretty much the entire point of being a supporter. That might be harsh on players, but it's always been the case at United and for whatever reason our standards since Sir Alex retired have dropped to the point that these out of depth players have become mainstays in our first eleven and that simply isn't acceptable. He should be one of the first names to be sold this Summer as he just isn't fit for purpose. I like the guy, he's got good heart but he's just not good enough at really, anything. I couldn't pick out one strength in his game.

SAF is the GOAT · Apr 5, 2023

That was the most insufferable and excruciating game that I've seen for a long time.

It didn't take long for us to conceive an infuriating goal from a set piece or a counter but fortunately for us - Brentford were poor all game.

Any other team will put this game to bed in the first half but we were just "chilling" and had possession and did feck all with the ball and didn't create nothing except the goal.

Antony kept trying to finesses the ball to the far corner 3 o 4 times in the game but probably killed a bird or 2, Bruno got "infected" with the overall weak performance of the whole team, Sancho also did feck all and didn't create anything, De Gea as usual just kicked the ball back to Brentford and almost did the clownery he did against DCL and Everton.

The only hope I have for us to be better in the near future is Eriksen and Casimiro coming back.

RedSky · Apr 5, 2023

NLunited said:
My man of the match.

He is not a ball playing midfielder, but a destroyer and progressive dribbler with decent shooting and finishing.

Man of the match.

Madness, Bruno was by far the best on the field. Same defensive numbers as McTominay (Bruno even had more interceptions) and yet made 83 passes with 87% accuracy. Bruno and Martinez were excellent. The two best players on the pitch.

I just noticed that McTominay in fact only made 23 successful passes, not 31 as I posted previously, that was his attempted passes. Only De Gea made less successful passes from the starting eleven.

TheReligion · Apr 5, 2023

RedSky said:
We controlled the midfield despite of McTominay not because of him. I'm all for giving players credit when they play well, I was adamant that Dalot wasn't fit for purpose in the Summer and gave him credit when he turned it around in the first half of the season. I just don't see it with Scott. He was there but not doing much which is the usual shit with Scott. Bruno for example had 95 passes compared to McTominays 31. Before you say "that's not his job", what would Eriksens or Casemiros passing numbers be like if they were on the pitch tonight? This is what Scott has to try and become , this should be our standard and he's got simply no chance. He's never once displayed those type of passing numbers in a game before.

I don't even think we were all that good tonight and rode our luck at times. We didn't create many chances and nor did we prevent Brentford from making chances either, in fact I'd argue they had the best chance of the game with the 1 on 1 with De Gea.

You literally don't have to support the players through the good and the bad, that's just top red nonsense. Just like you'd give the Manager grief after bad results, you are allowed to critise players who are also way out of their depth and not putting the effort in. That's pretty much the entire point of being a supporter. That might be harsh on players, but it's always been the case at United and for whatever reason our standards since Sir Alex retired have dropped to the point that these out of depth players have become mainstays in our first eleven and that simply isn't acceptable. He should be one of the first names to be sold this Summer as he just isn't fit for purpose. I like the guy, he's got good heart but he's just not good enough at really, anything. I couldn't pick out one strength in his game.

We didn’t ride our luck tonight. We fully deserved the three points. I’m not sure how you can see the game any other way unless you’re trying to be hypercritical.

Brentford are a decent outfit who have beaten and caused trouble for both City and Arsenal this season. Tonight they had nothing. Our issue is we didn’t get a second and as with any game it can often feel a lot tighter when you only have a one goal margin. I’d wager if you watched it back without the stress of being in the moment you’d see how comfortable we really were.

Mctominay played his part tonight and shouldn’t be getting flack. I just don’t see the point in being negative for the sake of it. We are where we are and need to pull together to finish well. We have to work with what we’ve got for the time being. Remember we are months into this rebuild, not years.

We will look much better with Casemiro and Eriksen in the middle, and Martial as the number 9. Let’s not forget we’ve been missing all three, and Garnacho, who himself had become a bit of a game changer from the bench.

Bristol_Red_87 · Apr 5, 2023

Bobski said:
Yes, Scott did some valuable stuff tonight but the chronic issue of his lack of involvement in the possession can't be understated.

He completed 23 passes, Fred came on for the last 20 and completed 15. It has got to the point where it is not just him and his failings now, his teammates are actively avoiding giving him the ball in most scenarios because they clearly don't trust him to keep it.

An effective game but one that illustrated his main issues at the same time.

Scott was great tonight in terms of his perceived strengths, breaking up play well and making some crucial blocks/interventions.

I've said it for year's however that he hides when we're in possession. It's much easier to see when watching live...he'll often stand asking for the ball when there's clearly no passing lane into him and he has never improved this aspect of his game.

el diablorojo · Apr 5, 2023

4-1 on aggregate I’ll take it tbf

glasgow 21 · Apr 5, 2023

TheReligion said:
Who said Mctominay was Socrates? Link me up to the quotes!

well you replied the the poster that he should apologise, apologies for what ? even
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson played a few good games for us so Mctominays performance tonight is an anomaly.

RedSky · Apr 5, 2023

TheReligion said:
We didn’t ride our luck tonight. We fully deserved the three points. I’m not sure how you can see the game any other way unless you’re trying to be hypercritical.

Brentford are a decent outfit who have beaten and caused trouble for both City and Arsenal this season. Tonight they had nothing. Our issue is we didn’t get a second and as with any game it can often feel a lot tighter when you only have a one goal margin. I’d wager if you watched it back without the stress of being in the moment you’d see how comfortable we really were.

Mctominay played his part tonight and shouldn’t be getting flack. I just don’t see the point in being negative for the sake of it. We are where we are and need to pull together to finish well. We have to work with what we’ve got for the time being. Remember we are months into this rebuild, not years.

We will look much better with Casemiro and Eriksen in the middle, and Martial as the number 9. Let’s not forget we’ve been missing all three, and Garnacho, who himself had become a bit of a game changer from the bench.

We only had 3 shots on target tonight TR and they had the best chance of the game. We didn't create a decent chance other than our goal which was a decent move. I don't think we fully deserved the three points at all, we didn't play well. We didn't surrender though so that's an improvement from recent weeks.

TheReligion · Apr 5, 2023

glasgow 21 said:
well you replied the the poster that he should apologise, apologies for what ? even
Cameron Borthwick-Jackson played a few good games for us so Mctominays performance tonight is an anomaly.

So no one compared Mctominay and Socrates like you suggested then?

The poster said Mctominay would disappear and be anonymous. He wasn’t. He contributed to the win and played well.

We all know his limitations and that he’s not our first choice.

What’s your point again?

TheReligion · Apr 5, 2023

RedSky said:
We only had 3 shots on target tonight TR and they had the best chance of the game. We didn't create a decent chance other than our goal which was a decent move. I don't think we fully deserved the three points at all, we didn't play well. We didn't surrender though so that's an improvement from recent weeks.

You seem to be very focused on stats/numbers as opposed to what you see with your eyes.

Are you really suggesting we were lucky to win or did not deserve to win tonight?

Champ · Apr 5, 2023

A relatively comfortable three points (only one big chance for the opposition)
Yet still people moan, and still people call out singular players like it's their sole fault.

Beginning to think people won't be happy til we win every game 5-0.

Champ · Apr 5, 2023

TheReligion said:
You seem to be very focused on stats/numbers as opposed to what you see with your eyes.

Are you really suggesting we were lucky to win or did not deserve to win tonight?

To be fair,.if they were focusing on stats they would see that Brentford didn't have the best chance of the game,
So they can't even use stats as a stick to beat that steady performance with.

SAF is the GOAT · Apr 5, 2023

Ivan Toney on Lisandro Martinez: “I thought he’d be as easy as Saliba but fairplay he’s actually unreal.” :lol:

RedSky · Apr 5, 2023

TheReligion said:
You seem to be very focused on stats/numbers as opposed to what you see with your eyes.

Are you really suggesting we were lucky to win or did not deserve to win tonight?

We didn't play well at all. It was a typical 1-0, 1-1 performance. Brentford were awful in the first half and did better in the 2nd half. We did ok in the first without really creating anything other than the goal and held on to the win. I think you're hyping up our win if you think that was an easy/deserved win. We looked toothless in the final third, but we certainly defended better than in recent weeks. It was a nothing performance, a normal dull win that you grind out despite playing poorly. It was a good result but not a good performance. I'd be staggered if you think otherwise.

TheReligion · Apr 5, 2023

RedSky said:
We didn't play well at all. It was a typical 1-0, 1-1 performance. Brentford were awful in the first half and did better in the 2nd half. We did ok in the first without really creating anything other than the goal and held on to the win. I think you're hyping up our win if you think that was an easy/deserved win. We looked toothless in the final third, but we certainly defended better than in recent weeks. It was a nothing performance, a normal dull win that you grind out despite playing poorly. It was a good result but not a good performance. I'd be staggered if you think otherwise.

It was a straightforward 1-0. Controlled display. Never looked like losing whilst not getting out of first gear.

Consider we are missing the core of the team at the moment I’m not really sure what else we can expect tbh. I’m not hyping anything up I’m just being realistic with my expectations given the circumstances.

It will be another slog Saturday I imagine but if we can limit Everton to just one chance over the 90 I’m hopeful we will again get the job done.

It’s been a stacked season and now it’s the business end. We need to grind a few results out, get some players back and hopefully finish strongly.

NLunited · Apr 6, 2023

RedSky said:
We only had 3 shots on target tonight TR and they had the best chance of the game. We didn't create a decent chance other than our goal which was a decent move. I don't think we fully deserved the three points at all, we didn't play well. We didn't surrender though so that's an improvement from recent weeks.

We had several big chances: McTominay shot, Fred shot were the biggest except for the goal.

We had 13 shots vs Brentford‘s 3. We could have easily made a second goal, while Brentford got one chance all game.

We had 65% possession, more big chances and shots. I‘d say we were in control of he game.

Wing Attack Plan R · Apr 6, 2023

SAF is the GOAT said:
Ivan Toney on Lisandro Martinez: “I thought he’d be as easy as Saliba but fairplay he’s actually unreal.”

Where was this reported? I’d like to read more.

DRJosh · Apr 6, 2023

De Gea needs to go. Abysmal ball distribution and cant have the ball at his feet

Meep · Apr 6, 2023

Can someone explain why Sancho's is rated so low. I thought he looked more alert, and active trying to make an impact and really was opening spaces and making good passes? At least, when I was focusing in on him.. Don't know if they were talking him down on some channel or what? He wasnt a 5.

De Gea and Raya.. what looks so easy for Raya.. just smoking a perfect pass to anywhere on their side looks impossible for De Gea.

NLunited · Apr 6, 2023

Meep said:
Can someone explain why Sancho's is rated so low. I thought he looked more alert, and active trying to make an impact and really was opening spaces and making good passes? At least, when I was focusing in on him.. Don't know if they were talking him down on some channel or what? He wasnt a 5.

De Gea and Raya.. what looks so easy for Raya.. just smoking a perfect pass to anywhere on their side looks impossible for De Gea.

I didn‘t see Raya laying away perfect passes, we nipped that in the bud.

We recovered the ball quickly on most occasions. We did not press Raya, but instead limited his options. Worked like a charm.

I do like his long kicks, he has a great kick.

DeGea did great except for one brain fart.

SAF is the GOAT · Apr 6, 2023

interesting tactical analysis

Meep · Apr 6, 2023

NLunited said:
I didn‘t see Raya laying away perfect passes, we nipped that in the bud.

We recovered the ball quickly on most occasions. We did not press Raya, but instead limited his options. Worked like a charm.

I do like his long kicks, he has a great kick.

DeGea did great except for one brain fart.

Ok, Raya did it all the time. DeGea just hoooofed it.
Your take on Sancho?

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