Of course Onana was MOTM.
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Manchester United 1:0 Wolverhampton Wanderers
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Well now, that was tense but mighty relieved we got the win. Wolves were much better than I expected. United looked undercooked
The ball had already bounced off the player’s head, so when Onana collided with them, it would not have affected the flight of the ball. If they awarded that as a penalty, then every time a keeper came off his line , an attacker would make contact and hit the deck. I think if Onana had clattered the guy before he got his head to the ball, it would have been a stronger case. Because Onana is allowed to use his hands/arms and outfield players are not, if his hands and arms make contact it isn’t a foul.
I think it probably should have been, but I didn’t see where the ball went after contact. If either of those attackers could have made a second stab at it, penalty. The refs might be revisiting this in the rule books soon, as Onana is going to test their limits.
It's pretty much the same as if an outfield player goes for the ball. If it's there to be won then fair enough within reason. If you're late then it's a foul.Very poor watch considering how much optimism there was before the start.
However, I will take the positives.
We cannot play that shite again.
We cannot be that lethargic again.
We need to play a no9 down the middle.
Garnacho is an impact sub not a starter.
We got lucky tonight…… it will take that thanks.The first half reminded me of Van Gaal ball. Possession with no attacking threat at all..mainly passing in the back lines and back to the keeper. Was very boring to watch. At least in the second half there was some intent to go forward but we always looked like conceding.
3 points is the main thing, hoping that we start to raise our performances. The team seemed very gassed at the end of the match and don’t look sharp.
Big match next weekend. Need to improve on road against top sides.
pretty good summaryI said this in the Caciedo thread,
We are a mid table team, we no longer sit at the top table and ETH performed a miracle getting us top 3 last season.
We don't compete in the same circles in the Market anymore and the leadership at the club is incompetent.
Long season ahead and I think well finish around 7th, there are 7 many clubs ahead of us in most areas but just watching most games this weekend the following look sharp and prepared and seemingly are making moves to sign more players at the top end of the Market.
Newcastle
City
Liverpool
Arsenal
Chelsea
Spurs
Ive also seen some clubs like Burnley, Sheffield, Fulham have more of an identity and purpose behind what they are doing.
Honestly we are the worst perfoming team in the opening weekend, we looked beyond woeful, pinned in our box for 20 mins at OT first game of the season, can't string a pass together.
Not happy and fuming that once again we are unprepared.What is up with the stewards standing up regularly throughout he game? I was in seats near pitch side and the f**king stewards kept standing up and blocking views. It’s such bullsh*t, particularly in injury time they were standing up for a minute as the game was going on.Apparently Jon Moss came out after the game to the Wolves manager, apologised and said it was a blatent penalty. Sometimes you get the luck but my God it's a shambles.
Onana clattered into the Wolves player. They didn't "clatter into each other".
So I guess PGMOL who apologised to Wolves after the game don't know the rules of the game either?!Home win, 3 pt's first time out, cant be bad, but very very lucky and I don't mean the penalty shout either.
Wolves looked more and more dangerous as the game went on, had three or four really good chances at least, generally we hung on for periods of time and weathered the storm, the speed of Wolves players, in particular down the middle of the pitch at times made it look as if our lads were standing still, or lead in our boots.
Varane is a treasure, Mount looks as though he will play his way in, Garnacho has to learn to beat not one but two men when he runs straight at them, they were waiting for him last night and at times he looked lost... worrying that!
Casemiro played well within his self, just one or two awkward/late challenges, AWB was the better fullback last night and Antony was almost anonymous.
Bruno couldn't get any of his 'smart 'passes/ cute balls, right, his 'touch' definitely missing last night and Rashford was.... well was he on the pitch?
With Onana we finally have a keeper who is big enough and brave enough to command his area, don't think we will see the same 'bullying' of him as Degea had to face, but that last minute thing was mighty close!
"The PGMOL, the referees’ body, apologised to Wolverhampton Wanderers within minutes of their controversial 1-0 defeat away to Manchester United after the failure to award them a blatant injury-time penalty.
Cheer up mate, we might lose at the weekend.
Wolves’ new head coach Gary O’Neil revealed that he had talked to the former referee Jonathan Moss who is now the Select Group 1 manager at the PGMOL.
“Having spoken to Jonathan Moss he has come out and apologised and said it was a blatant penalty,” O’Neil revealed. "
Any closer to answering how a goalkeeper taking a player out with the ball gone wasn't a penalty (to absolutely zero outrage, on account of it obviously not being a penalty) earlier in the game?At least Onana come out for crosses. He seems a little reckless and will no doubt come up with a few mistakes and penalties, but he does get the play moving. Pity the outfield players were not up to it last night. They looked drugged. Casemiro will not play a worse game than that all season. Watching Chelsea and Liverpool and the pace of that game made me think we will get battered by them if we don't perk up. ETH after match was bizarre with his comments.
I don't need one. A wrong decision somewhere else doesn't make this one right. That's whataboutery. I'm happy to take the points but when even the refs are apologising and suspending the on-pitch and VAR officials who made the decision, it's pretty clear we had a very lucky escape.
It is whataboutism, but it's relevant in the context of media stirring up a narrative that we get all the controversial decisions, a narrative which clearly influences referees' decision making. If the media narrative was "a poor performance from Simon Hooper saw both teams aggrieved at having penalties denied for similar incidents" and not "WOLVES ROBBED BY THE REFEREE AT OLD TRAFFORD", then that would have a wildly different impact on the referees' feelings going into our next games.
You just need to look at the media frenzy sparked by us having the audacity to score a goal that people "felt" was wrong against City last season, despite being within the laws of the game, and how we ended up being shafted ten times over in the weeks following that call, with nobody batting an eyelid. Look at the penalties we weren't awarded after the City call. Now imagine that those penalties had not been called against United instead, in consecutive games, and ask yourself if the media reaction would've been as muted as it ended up being when we were on the end of those calls.
We were denied much more obvious penalties that the PGMOL ended up apologising to other teams for. We ended up getting red cards for things that other players got away with and nobody thought it was controversial at all and nobody apologised to either us or the other team that didn't get an opponent sent off.
Fair. I just think it was a penalty. If everyone is honest then we don't get into those situations. If you're doing whataboutery then you've lost the argument.
Do you genuinely think it's irrelevant to the discussion (about the media frenzy regarding the decision, which will come to influence future decisions in our games) that a very similar incident happened the other way in literally the same game and nobody said a word about it?
The only discussion I'm interested in is if it was a penalty. I can't even remember the other incident so can't have been all that.
That's the point. Nobody gave a shit because nobody's going to bat an eyelid at United not getting a penalty for a keeper making contact with a player long after he's played the ball past him. So there weren't fifteen replays of the incident, there was no VAR stoppage with another fifteen replays being shown and no media outrage over the non-decision.
And nobody would've made a fuss about that Antony incident if it hadn't been for the fact that later in the game, when United's keeper made contact with a player long after he's played the ball (notice the similarity?), everyone's acting like he's murdered someone and the PGMOL comes out with official apologies, demotes refs and everything. I get that there's going to be inconsistency between games (I'd prefer if there weren't, but it is what it is), but the least you can expect is within-game consistency.
Now watch us get denied stonewall penalties for the next five weeks and see how many PGMOL apologies we get, or see how many headlines are going to mention the game's result being influenced by a refereeing decision going against United.
Well it might be your point. It's not mine. Post a link of the other incident and I'll tell you if I think it's a penalty as well if that's what you want to discuss. But it won't change the fact that the Onana incident was.
We're probably discussing different things, to be honest. I agree that the Onana incident should've been a pen and I've said that from the beginning in all the threads where it's been discussed. I'm mostly annoyed at the media outrage over them getting that call wrong (and the subsequent apologies etc) while nothing is said about a similar incident down the other end which will have future ramifications as we've seen in the past.
Let's have a look then...What has amazed me about the 'non-penalty' issue is that if the ref didn't call it as a foul, and the umpteen times play-back viewing by VAR didn't call it as a foul, then why the hell is Jonathan Moss apologizing?
Up to a point you could understand if the Ref and VAR were at odds with each other, but apparently they both agreed no foul no penalty.
Well of course OT is the 'Theatre of Dreams', perhaps the Ref and the VAR team were all 'sleep walking'.
Would love to know how Jonathan Moss it will be explaining in his formal report that the whole of his team were obviously 'sleeping on the job'.- Status
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Score Predictions
352,6,9
- Man Utd win
- Wolves win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 35% Man Utd 2:0 Wolves
- 25% Man Utd 3:0 Wolves
- 10% Man Utd 3:1 Wolves
- 10% Man Utd 4:0 Wolves
- 6% Man Utd 2:1 Wolves
- 5% Man Utd 1:0 Wolves
- 4% Man Utd 5:0 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 1:1 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 4:1 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 0:0 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 0:2 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 0:1 Wolves
- 1% Man Utd 6:0 Wolves
- 0% Man Utd 5:1 Wolves
- 0% Man Utd 1:2 Wolves
Match Stats
- Man Utd
- Wolves
- Possession
- 51% 49%
- Shots
- 15 23
- Shots on Target
- 3 6
- Corners
- 8 7
- Fouls
- 14 10
Referee
Simon Hooper
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