Sheffield United 2:3 Manchester United

NJM78 · Dec 17, 2020

Our attack is like prime Jessica Alba whilst our defence is like past her prime Pat Butcher.

DickDastardly · Dec 17, 2020

Inigo Montoya said:
For 90, not 70

Yes that, but was more thinking about when we're in the lead.

We are 2 goals up....keep it cool ffs.
Slow them down, slow the tempo.

Berbasbullet · Dec 17, 2020

We literally saw the best and worst of this side just then.

Excellent counter attacking.
Bruno on fire.
Rashford with amazing pace and finishing.

But also...

Stupid dumb ass goal to concede.
Useless at set pieces.
Nearly conceding from a simple long ball.
Not strong enough.
Couldn’t keep the ball at the end, proper almost bottled it.

It’s why we won’t win the league, but also why we aren’t as far away as people think.

DavidDeSchmikes · Dec 17, 2020

YAMS49 said:
In 131 years? Christ we are shite.

this season

Ollie Derbyshire · Dec 17, 2020

londonredmaniac said:
Can't keep giving the ball away casually in our own half...which we were doing without the subs.

We do that all game every game, doesn’t matter who is on the pitch, so making the subs doesn’t change that.

If you can’t try and rest players against the bottom of the league your in trouble, which to be fair we nearly where, but we got the win and rested Fred and McT for the tough one against Leeds.

londonredmaniac · Dec 17, 2020

Dante said:
Scholes just said "I thought Paul was brilliant... Paul Pogba was really good in midfield".

Scholes is an extremely fair pundit who calls it as he sees it. There's no agenda there except where it triggers your own.

I think he was part of everything good we did along with Bruno.

But Pogba has also given the ball away playing high risk stuff 40 yards from our goal.

At times it pays off in a big way, at others it invites pressure.

You have to accept that's how it is...I like so much of what he was about tonight...but fully accept that he has put us in trouble numerous times.

It's hardly difficult to see.

SirAnderson · Dec 17, 2020

Withnail said:
What the hell was that?

3-2 up and lumping free kicks forward????

Just pass the ball to each other and run down the clock.

That surely should be something we should be doing in practice.
Discussing the different phases of the game. I genuinely think we are the worst at holding on, can't remember when one of our players successfully held a ball long enough in the oppo's corner flag for example!

Sandikan · Dec 17, 2020

DomesticTadpole said:
It's bad when you let him get two goals, he is usually useless.

He's pretty much matched his career total in one game!

Oranges038 · Dec 17, 2020

Kill 'em all said:
van Nistelrooy would have smashed that into the bottom corner.

But he isn't Ruud and it's not 2003 anymore.

Sandikan · Dec 17, 2020

Inigo Montoya said:
It wasn’t

Victor can’t jump

There can't be many centre backs of 6ft 2 height playing professionally who are worse in the air.

AJ Bullet · Dec 17, 2020

Closing in on the title then.

Time to get the bubbly on chill....

Champ · Dec 17, 2020

Ollie Derbyshire said:
Should be able to play the game out without 1 or 2 players for 20mims.

Agreed, but also why take off players that are performing well when the game is still quite tight? 4-1 take them all off,

londonredmaniac · Dec 17, 2020

Ollie Derbyshire said:
We do that all game every game, doesn’t matter who is on the pitch, so making the subs doesn’t change that.

If you can’t try and rest players against the bottom of the league your in trouble, which to be fair we nearly where, but we got the win and rested Fred and McT for the tough one against Leeds.

I agree, the point i was making is it wasn't the subs.

We controlled the game, got sloppy and once again conceded from a set piece.

Strange game all in all...because it looked like a stroll second half

Majima · Dec 17, 2020

Dante said:
Scholes just said "I thought Paul was brilliant... Paul Pogba was really good in midfield".

Scholes is an extremely fair pundit who calls it as he sees it. There's no agenda there except where it triggers your own.

Yeah I heard. Maybe I was triggered. Maybe he was blasé about it because it came so naturally to him too?

He did give him his dues at the end so fair enough, maybe I was jumping the gun.

Champ · Dec 17, 2020

Oldyella said:
If we cant defend a 3-1 lead against the leagues bottom side just because we sub an attacking midfielder we really are a one man side.

He is our best player by a mile, figures we'd be weaker without...

bdspeedy · Dec 17, 2020

Dante said:
If it's a pro-VdB agenda, then Ole is playing him too much.

If it's an anti-VdB agenda, then Ole isn't playing him enough.

No idea which. But either way, the poster is giving an impressive example of confirmation bias.

We paid 40 million for a very good player that has somehow fallen down the midfield pecking order to 6th place. That's below, clueless McT and zero pace Mata. I'm not Ole out, what would the point be when we are still run by incompetent carnival barkers? I hope Ole succeeds but he's no where near good enough tactically and doesn't have the sense to consistently pick the right squad or make the right subs but feck me, I'm just a blustery blowhard frustrated by 7 years of shit from our beloved team.

manichester · Dec 17, 2020

Scruffy performance, why we fail to make easy passes and then pull of the difficult ones. Matic, Lindelof, Maguire give me nightmares.

RedDevilRoshi · Dec 17, 2020

Job done.

Withnail · Dec 17, 2020

SirAnderson said:
That surely should be something we should be doing in practice.
Discussing the different phases of the game. I genuinely think we are the worst at holding on, can't remember when one of our players successfully held a ball long enough in the oppo's corner flag for example!

This is what your captain is supposed to sort out.

No way should Hendo have taken that first one and it was Maguire lumping the last one.

Infuriatingly reckless.

Withnail · Dec 17, 2020

RedDevilRoshi said:
Job done.

Yes and some decent play but we really have to stop shooting ourselves in the foot.

Ollie Derbyshire · Dec 17, 2020

londonredmaniac said:
I agree, the point i was making is it wasn't the subs.

We controlled the game, got sloppy and once again conceded from a set piece.

Strange game all in all...because it looked like a stroll second half

Ah sorry mate, totally agree, I don’t think we ever really control the game though not when we give the ball away far too often and in dangerous positions. Not picking on Pogba but he gave it away 2/3 times around edge of the box and a better team would bury those chances.

Sandikan · Dec 17, 2020

AJ Bullet said:
Closing in on the title then.

Time to get the bubbly on chill....

Step by step (oooh baby)...but if we can beat Leeds that table will look a lot more pleasing indeed.

Plymouth Red · Dec 17, 2020

RedRoseTyke said:
I have to disagree, I thought Sheff Utd played well in the first half.

They played as well as we let them play. If we have ambitions to win the PL, then we must dominate such opposition. We regularly struggle to do this, though and the last ten minutes ended up being more pressured than they needed to be.

Member 113277 · Dec 17, 2020

Plymouth Red said:
They played as well as we let them play. If we have ambitions to win the PL, then we must dominate such opposition. We regularly struggle to do this, though and the last ten minutes ended up being more pressured than they needed to be.

No, I don't think that is fair to Sheff Utd in the first half, they played well. Where we let them off the hook was in the second half, when we should have increased our score to 4 or 5 and had the opportunities to do so.

They got lucky with both goals, the first was a keeper howler and the second wasn't a corner and then the pinball game dropped their way.

Our squad is not a PL winning squad, yet and today we saw why - we don't score enough and we don't put lesser teams away well enough.

Bastian · Dec 17, 2020

Majima said:
He's not a holding mid though. That's the tradeoff for playing him there. Play him higher up alongside Bruno now, we don't need him so deep.

I'm not disputing that at all. Just saying that those are the risks playing him there, so even if he can win you games, he can also lose you games there. Small margins, often.

Majima · Dec 17, 2020

Bastian said:
I'm not disputing that at all. Just saying that those are the risks playing him there, so even if he can win you games, he can also lose you games there. Small margins, often.

Yeah, I was on your side. It's difficult because no-one can do what he can do for the 3rd goal, but that creativeness can cost us too. I would like to see him higher up near Bruno with a proper defensive mid behind. That would be such a killer midfield.

Bastian · Dec 17, 2020

Majima said:
Yeah, I was on your side. It's difficult because no-one can do what he can do for the 3rd goal, but that creativeness can cost us too. I would like to see him higher up near Bruno with a proper defensive mid behind. That would be such a killer midfield.

Yeah, add a quality DM and a fast centre back next to Maguire and we're there. Academic though, because he'll be off before we can address those issues.

Majima · Dec 17, 2020

Bastian said:
Yeah, add a quality DM and a fast centre back next to Maguire and we're there. Academic though, because he'll be off before we can address those issues.

Yep. We better sort out the midfield properly this summer. No more nonsense with Matic/McTominay as defensive mid.

Bastian · Dec 17, 2020

Majima said:
Yep. We better sort out the midfield properly this summer. No more nonsense with Matic/McTominay as defensive mid.

I have been one of Matic's few supporters on here, but in hindsight, that length of contract was a strange decision, and he had offers to go elsewhere (Italy). I like him, but we've needed an upgrade for a while.

And yes, McTominay is not a DM, nor is Fred. I hope we address at least one of those problem areas in January (DM or a fast CB). This defense is conceding far too many goals.

Then there's the GK conundrum. That de Gea deal looks worse each passing month.

Majima · Dec 17, 2020

Bastian said:
I have been one of Matic's few supporters on here, but in hindsight, that length of contract was a strange decision, and he had offers to go elsewhere (Italy). I like him, but we've needed an upgrade for a while.

And yes, McTominay is not a DM, nor is Fred. I hope we address at least one of those problem areas in January (DM or a fast CB). This defense is conceding far too many goals.

Then there's the GK conundrum. That de Gea deal looks worse each passing month.

In the period he got the contract, he was the best fit for Pogba that we had. He definitely earnt it with his performances, but we still should have gone out and got an upgrade on him. Another 3 years with his creaking knees was crazy.

Yes, kind of crazy to think we don't have a single defensive mid at the club. I don't know why we allowed Partey to go to Arsenal. He would have been amazing for Pogba & Bruno.

HowYouDoin · Dec 18, 2020

HowYouDoin said:
We have awesome individuals but also by far the worst manager in the league. We"lll see how this goes.
We likely concede early and then win in the 2nd half. 3:2 United.

How good was this prediction?

croadyman · Dec 18, 2020

Berbasbullet said:
We literally saw the best and worst of this side just then.

Excellent counter attacking.
Bruno on fire.
Rashford with amazing pace and finishing.

But also...

Stupid dumb ass goal to concede.
Useless at set pieces.
Nearly conceding from a simple long ball.
Not strong enough.
Couldn’t keep the ball at the end, proper almost bottled it.

It’s why we won’t win the league, but also why we aren’t as far away as people think.

Sums up our performance very nicely

croadyman · Dec 18, 2020

Bastian said:
I have been one of Matic's few supporters on here, but in hindsight, that length of contract was a strange decision, and he had offers to go elsewhere (Italy). I like him, but we've needed an upgrade for a while.

And yes, McTominay is not a DM, nor is Fred. I hope we address at least one of those problem areas in January (DM or a fast CB). This defense is conceding far too many goals.

Then there's the GK conundrum. That de Gea deal looks worse each passing month.

The reason I don't see us addressing either the DM or fast CB in January is because my gut feeling is that our top targets in these positions aren't available until the summer.

Therefore we will need to find a way to get by in both of these high priority positions until then which worries me because the Lindelof & Maguire partnership doesn't fill me with confidence.

WR10 · Dec 18, 2020

Our performance looked like players that finally got more than 2 days of rest between a game

Nicoseth · Dec 18, 2020

manichester said:
Scruffy performance, why we fail to make easy passes and then pull of the difficult ones. Matic, Lindelof, Maguire give me nightmares.

Normally I'd agree, mate. But I think today Lindelof and Maguire were good. Matic was anonymous. Okay, you could argue that Maguire was at fault for the first goal - but come on, that's all Hendo. He had time to clear it and didn't. Lindelof was involved in the second goal but was just unlucky, imo. Lindelof showed good passing and Maguire brought the ball out well.

Bastian · Dec 18, 2020

croadyman said:
The reason I don't see us addressing either the DM or fast CB in January is because my gut feeling is that our top targets in these positions aren't available until the summer.

Therefore we will need to find a way to get by in both of these high priority positions until then which worries me because the Lindelof & Maguire partnership doesn't fill me with confidence.

If Tuanzebe can stay fit, we might just be looking at one position. I don't know who our targets are - not even sure we've been linked with anyone, but we are pretty desperate given the amount of goals we concede.

croadyman · Dec 18, 2020

Bastian said:
If Tuanzebe can stay fit, we might just be looking at one position. I don't know who our targets are - not even sure we've been linked with anyone, but we are pretty desperate given the amount of goals we concede.

Think the main targets in those two positions are

CB - White, Upamecano,
DM - Zakaria, Rice,

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