West Ham United 2:0 Manchester United

erikcred · Dec 23, 2023

crossy1686 said:
But it will be a good way for the new manager to win a trophy and then everyone will back him no matter how shit he is the following season

Painfully true.

christinaa · Dec 23, 2023

Kambwala was ok too

Fortitude · Dec 23, 2023

Sparky Rhiwabon said:
No one really expects us to get anything at West Ham, so it’s a free hit.

It absolutely isn't. Setting the team up to fail, again! Is unacceptable.

Perfect juncture to go another direction and instead he chose the same dross proven not to work.

Lost bear · Dec 23, 2023

Freak said:
I don’t think anyone in their right mind would blame Mainoo. The problems have been there the entire game and that’s on the manager. So fecking impotent in attack.

I wasn’t referring to those in their right minds.

Withnail · Dec 23, 2023

laughtersassassin said:
It's not cherry picking. It's not like we are only a few weeks into this season.

We've lost more games than we won nearly half way through the season.

Most losses ath this stage since something like the 1930s I think TNT said.

So it's not like our other managers we sacked where doing this....

Ignoring it or pretending it's cherry picking to create a narrative or something doesn't make sense.

Losing more games than you win half way through the season is unbelievably bad. None of our other managers would have been tolerated doing that is all.

That's all fine but that's not what you said was my point.

Wing Attack Plan R · Dec 23, 2023

Liverpool - Arsenal is on. Arsenal just scored VAR trying to overturn it for Liverpool. We aren't playing the same sport as these two teams.

mitchmouse · Dec 23, 2023

Walters_19_MuFc said:
Change the word from PERSONNEL to TACTICAL and everything I said remains the same. We failed to get the fundamentals right in those two moments.

but that's what I said: they made change, ETH didn't react, maybe did even realise

mitchmouse · Dec 23, 2023

Pughnichi said:
An odd take away from this game. Onana made some good saves today, a reasonable performance and did well to save the initial shot from Bowen. He was unfortunate it’s deflected back of Bowen into the net. Not at fault for their second either

the "good" saves were nothing special - he was weak and cowardly with the first, he didn't do well to stop it at all. Drivel. Just dive at the guys feet and it's goal avoided

Walters_19_MuFc · Dec 23, 2023

mitchmouse said:
but that's what I said: they made change, ETH didn't react, maybe did even realise

I understand that, but I'm saying, we didn't lose because ten Hag didn't react to the tactical change, we lost because of two silly errors.

mitchmouse · Dec 23, 2023

Walters_19_MuFc said:
I understand that, but I'm saying, we didn't lose because ten Hag didn't react to the tactical change, we lost because of two silly errors.

I think all contributed but I mainly agree with you. I just recall Jose always reacting when an opposition manager made changes. I think ETH could have done too - I just don't think he's flexible enough. There's no doubt the mistakes were to blame for the goals... but we were in control until Moyes tweaked things

Matt Varnish · Dec 23, 2023

Pughnichi said:
An odd take away from this game. Onana made some good saves today, a reasonable performance and did well to save the initial shot from Bowen. He was unfortunate it’s deflected back of Bowen into the net. Not at fault for their second either

Anyone can stop a shot directly at them, no movement is required.
He lacks bravery and and athleticism.
The first goal he needs to go to the players feet and smother the ball, the second again is across his body, he always leaves a player with that option, he needs to make himself big and narrow the angle.

justsomebloke · Dec 24, 2023

TrustInJanuzaj said:
Amrabat has been one of our better players recently so that makes no sense. McTominay plays like garbage nearly every game yet he’s there.

Yes he does, but Amrabat's performance against Liverpool was even worse than anything we've seen from McTominay this season. He's plainly downright overmatched on this level.

GueRed · Dec 24, 2023

Another game another zero goals scored.

At this rate I don't think we'll even better LVG's second season and the football that season was as boring as feck

TrustInJanuzaj · Dec 24, 2023

justsomebloke said:
Yes he does, but Amrabat's performance against Liverpool was even worse than anything we've seen from McTominay this season. He's plainly downright overmatched on this level.

Don’t agree he was effective agaisnt Liverpool and contributed to our clean sheet

justsomebloke · Dec 24, 2023

TrustInJanuzaj said:
Don’t agree he was effective agaisnt Liverpool and contributed to our clean sheet

"Effective"? He was chasing around like a winded chicken, constantly half a second behind, misplacing passes, and generally being a liability. Like a shit version of Fred. I'd go so far as to say that was the worst performance by a United midfielder this season.

Matt Varnish · Dec 24, 2023

TrustInJanuzaj said:
Don’t agree he was effective agaisnt Liverpool and contributed to our clean sheet

That was down to luck

TrustInJanuzaj · Dec 24, 2023

justsomebloke said:
"Effective"? He was chasing around like a winded chicken, constantly half a second behind, misplacing passes, and generally being a liability. Like a shit version of Fred. I'd go so far as to say that was the worst performance by a United midfielder this season.

We will have to agree to disagree I think he played pretty well and I’d say was one of our better players.

TrustInJanuzaj · Dec 24, 2023

Matt Varnish said:
That was down to luck

Not really, we played okay for that result. Amrabat has been good recently and much better than his earlier showings. Probably just isn’t a nice fashionable option.,

DJBillRemfry · Dec 24, 2023

I struggle to recall many Manchester United teams (and I've seen them going them back to Big Ron and Bryan Robson and co) coming to our place and being so defensive.

Shaw is a very good player, but the others who started are really unremarkable.

>£150m for Hojlund and Antony is crazy.

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